I Didn't Vote., page 5

reply to post by cpdaman

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I voted against my incumbents. Ohio's Republicans are all but kicked out of office it looks like.. my Congressperson has a stronghold of supporters, but I pray he looses his job for his assistance in drafting the bill.

This absurd idea that we have any rights based on our vote is completely wrong. To see my viewpoint, you can refer to my thread in June:
I'm not voting, and I'm still going to complain.

reply to post by MemoryShock

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Any individual who goes to the polls to make a difference is totally delusional. Statistically speaking, according the the Yahoo article I'm sure many people read, you have a 1 in 60,000,000 chance for one vote to swing an election. They based their data on US political presidential elections.

HOWEVER, any individual who does not go to the polls and vote for at least a third party candidate is A BAD CITIZEN. It is your duty as a citizen of the United States to use the polls to ensure your voice is heard. No it is not right to go to the polls and try and make a difference. Your job as a citizen when you are going to the polls is to ensure your voice is heard. If your voice is the less than 1% crowd voting for the socialist candidate, so be it. When we are actually punished for voting a certain way then maybe I can understand. But to not vote is being a bad citizen.

I can see now why Democracy is failing in America. People go to the polls to make a difference, whereas they are supposed to be going there to ensure their voice is heard.

I voted today

PS - I have a hard time believing that there are so many elections with no propositions that people just stayed home, as most ballots have propositions which involve no Democrats or Republicans. There were two propositions to BORROW MONEY on my ballot. Absolutely NO to DEBT, thanks for asking!

[edit on 4-11-2008 by truthquest]

reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel

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So could I vote for a apple tree to be president????

lol.


I am 19 and I didn't register to vote. I don't plan to ever vote.

I have been very upset with America.

Most think their is freedom yet I don't see it.

hmm how come when I get sick I have to by law go to the doctors to get anti-biotics when i know I need them. Yes I know their is many different anti-biotics.

In pakistan I remebered I got sick their and was able to just walk in a pharmacy and ask what they have for my sickness and they gave me the meds.

Over in the U.S you need health insurance and have to have a doctor else you can't get the pills.

No you can say that it's for a good purpose. Most people would over dose or use these pills in a bad way to kill others ect ect.

wow well pakistan been doing this for a long time and their has not been any situation someone used the pills in a evil way.

I look at every point and I see every way locked.

I tried starting an ISP and tried to find where I can get a network and found out AT&T owns most networks and if you want to use their network they require you to sign some agreements which I read and was nothing but them getting most of the profit and on top of that they had hidden charges based on certain siutations like if your customers hacked someone I would have to pay AT&T a certain amount of many for violation even if I didn't do it myself.

I see more regulation then other countries. I mean look at our tax system.

your guilty until proven innocent.

I can go on and on about this. I think Obama would win but if john wins it would have to be rigged in some way.

This is my personal opinon.

If I would have to vote it would be nader.

I knew that we will either have obama or john as a president whcih I doubt they have any difference they are really the same if you look at the overall debats you can tell they are the same. They only differ very small percentage.

I doubt their will be changes. I hope I am wrong.

I would love to see the economy get fixed first. I guess we will see wtihin from now to summer of 09 see if obama will make a change.


I also say the election is rigged in a way meaning that obama and john had most coverage.

I am sure everyone knows that obama and john is running I bet a small percentage will know that nader and others is running.

My friends are voting and I asked them who they are voting for they said john becasue he is white.

I asked if they know who nader is?? and they said no who is he. I told them and they said well I ain't voting for him I don't know him.

I would say that in order for this election to be a non rigged election then we should of seen nader on CNN with obama and john for real debates.


I still never heard how each will fix the problems we have.

I wanted to see them have the offical budget thats a copy of the real budget and show us how big this hole is and what they are going to do??


The reason I say the election is rigged is that the media controls most of americans opinion.

People feel they know more about obama and john to make a opinion and cast a vote.

yet they don't even know nader is even running this makes it a unfair election causeing corperations to be involved and help market obama and john in return thses companies gets somthing somthing.

reply to post by truthquest

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That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't make a difference when you vote, but if you don't do it, you're a bad citizen? Your claim that you vote to make your voice heard is absolutely laughable. That was never the purpose of voting, which is why voting is technically anonymous - nobody can go pull up a record of who you voted for (supposedly.)

The purpose of voting, was in fact, to make a difference. It does not make a difference. Not because of electoral colleges, not because of the vast number of voters, not because of fraud. It makes no difference because our system is set up so that the candidates aren't actually different. Voting in America is like getting to choose whether you're going to be hung or beheaded.

In regards to your insistence that we make our voice heard: There are millions of ways to make your voice heard, and nearly all of them are louder than anonymously ticking off your preference for the "rock" or the "hard place."

reply to post by MemoryShock

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I should add to that. It is your duty as a citizen to NOT VOTE for a candidate when you know little about any of the candidates you are either voting for or against. I left areas like the "coroner" blank because I knew nothing about either candidate. Yet some bad citizens voted for one simply because of their party association without really knowing anything about any of the options.

reply to post by MemoryShock

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I agree with your reply to truthquest .


I personally don't think it's a duty. I say that people who vote dosen't see the whole picture.

I can go out and vote for a 3rd party and I know he won't get in.

your voice won't get heard. There are millions of people voding and if every single one is brainwashed by the media then how can your vote count.

your vote will only count if you have a majority of U.S citizens voting for your guy.

so right now it's nothing but obama vs john because the media shows this.

This is what people think are the only 2 running. Some know about nader and knows he will lose because majority of Americans watchs tv and gets pumped up by the media.

Just like a marketing gimick. I so far never seen any debat with obama and john that they will explain how they plan on doing it they are just saying stuff out of their mouth.

obama says he will lower taxes and tax higher incomers.

Yet that is what he says never explained how he will do it.


I mean I can go in front of the tv and promise every american to have 5 million dollars when I am president.

I am sure most will vote for me thinking I am telling the truth.

So if anyone didn't vote it's not your fault and it's not your duty.

You have the right. If you choose to not excersise that right you shouldn't be bothered about it.

So that means others should get ticked off at you for not voting.

I am not voting and plan to not vote in my lifetime because I personally think slavery is here.

if you think about it. American life style is hurry hurry hurry!!!!

you have to make appointments with doctors. At colleges or school they have class plans when to move to next chpaters and if you fall behind you better move your but and get back on.

Even work you have to rush. Then when your driving to and from work you have to rush depending on how much time you have, I know that you don't have to rush home but depends on the situation with time.

I see people on the road brushing their teeth while driving. Many other things also.

When I was in pakistan everything their was calm. No one was rin a hurry.

in their schools if you fall behind the teacher asks you to stay after class and he will help even if it took all the way to night time.

Over their you don't need dctors you can just walk up to a pharmacy and ask what can you give me for this sickness...

So they are lessed stressed.

I remebered I had to drive to a college class when we had a bad road conditions.

We had snow but in the early morning we had temps that were going back and forth with 31f and 35f it was go up and down and this caused the snow the melt and then freeze.

So I had to drive on roads that had ice early in the morning I ended up being 1 min late and they marked me late.

So just giving some background to my opinion.


This is why I just plain out won't vote because it really wont matter.

People in wahsinton are crooks. My accounting teacher told us she looked at AIG books and notice that they are hiding huge amounts of money. Which vanished in the booking never appeard on the books. She also said that the auditors are not top noch guys.

So I lost real hope that America would be free. I seriously think it's going to get worse more laws will be made and more restirctions will be made.

Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by truthquest

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That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't make a difference when you vote, but if you don't do it, you're a bad citizen? Your claim that you vote to make your voice heard is absolutely laughable. That was never the purpose of voting, which is why voting is technically anonymous - nobody can go pull up a record of who you voted for (supposedly.)

The purpose of voting, was in fact, to make a difference. It does not make a difference. Not because of electoral colleges, not because of the vast number of voters, not because of fraud. It makes no difference because our system is set up so that the candidates aren't actually different. Voting in America is like getting to choose whether you're going to be hung or beheaded.

In regards to your insistence that we make our voice heard: There are millions of ways to make your voice heard, and nearly all of them are louder than anonymously ticking off your preference for the "rock" or the "hard place."

Two true or false questions prove your position to be the more laughable one.

1. True or False: An individual vote will rarely and almost NEVER make a difference in an election by changing the outcome.

2. True or False: An individual vote will ALWAYS in every case make an opinion be heard in the form of one tick up in their selection.

So no, you don't vote to make a difference and you do vote to ensure your opinion is heard. Anyone who votes to make a difference is a fool and anyone who doesn't vote is being a bad citizen because a Democracy depends on involvement by every citizen. So yes you are making a difference in an election by voting but it is in expressing your opinion not in changing the outcome. Surely it must make sense when put that way, but correct me if I'm wrong.

And again, as long as people are voting just to make a difference Democracy will fail and they may as well call off the elections. I'm glad I finally know why Democracy is failing in America.

[edit on 4-11-2008 by truthquest]

reply to post by truthquest

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YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT!!!

It's all a big hoax dude.

The NWO wants to make you think you have a choice, the fact is, you don't, not only is it incredibly easy to hack a voting machine several different ways WITHOUT getting caught, but the people who create the machines actually make sure that a certain candidate wins, usually the one who pays them the most, this IS proven.

All you're spewing is the same vomit the MSM spits up all the time, you don't know jack about what you're talking about, show me where it states that it is my DUTY as a citizen to vote, bullocks!

If you think you're so smart, answer this question:

How does a candidate get MINUS votes, like John Kerry did, he got -1,600, that's MINUS, that's a mathematical impossibility considering voting, it's either zero, or more than zero.

You should consider watching this documentary before making anymore stupid statements:

Hacking Democracy

Google Video Link

Seriously dude, seriously.

-Lahara

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