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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:08 PM by dunwichwitch
I was about to go vote.... but then I realized why I was voting. I'm voting because people are telling me "Go vote. Make a difference! Blah blah if you don't vote don't complain!" So I stayed home. I don't trust anyone with authority, so why should I be forced to support giving corrupt politicians with big egos and savior complexes gaining more authority over me and my fellow humans, who are all equal and important in the eyes of God?

I disagree with politics, and as a poster said above me, I believe humans are free standing individuals, capable of natural order and cooperation... and I believe that if we eliminated all systems of control, and went back to tribal and communal living in a natural setting, that we would not have corruption. If we just learned that once you centralize power in any way shape or form, you are enslaving yourself under that power and becoming powerless yourself, we could accomplish this. Corruption and controlled chaos does not make sense, it does not work, and it is entirely preventable by the simple means of non compliance and standing up on your own as your own free willed being allows you to do.

I don't believe people are born corrupt. Society corrupts them, either directly or indirectly. We are all corrupt, infected with poison ideas about what's best for the world. We have the tools within ourselves to cleanse our minds of these viral philosophies... and to suggest to me that I need to trust somebody else to fix what is at its heart a very personal and spiritual problem for each individual to hash out on their own.... it is completely absurd, and I am not one to compromise the truth with convenient lies.

Don't vote! Instead, find a wooded area and meditate to find your own answer. Everything politicians and people in authorities promise to you about change is empty lies, whether they themselves realize it or not. They are not the ones that are holding your mind hostage. You are! You each must vote for yourselves to be president of your own being. Nobody should be able to take your free will away at any time.

Voting is just another tool of manipulation to keep you from realizing your own potential. Anyone who says differently, no matter how intelligently they present their views..... is misguided by fear. You don't have to do anything out of fear of not doing it. That's not your free will. Government is not your free will. Politics is not your free will. The economy is not your free will. Borders and stereotypes and divisions in society is not your free will. You are your free will, you must not allow anyone to compromise it with fear of inaction. Just be what you are naturally. Causes are not worth crusading for. The best medicine is total non-compliance with the system. Total inaction towards anything other than your free will.

I believe that there are more than enough good people in this world, and if all the positive people in the world were to denounce all systems of control over them and refuse to cooperate with them.... I think we could return to balance and harmony very quickly, and the ills of society would just naturally work themselves out.

I will refuse!!!


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:16 PM by Solarskye
reply to post by burdman30ott6



I think our founding fathers were smart enough to not put a right to vote in our constitution when it comes to a federal election. There's to many people that should never be allowed to cast a ballad for a President. I think not voting is voicing your opinion too.

[edit on 11/4/2008 by Solarskye]


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:21 PM by LogicalPhilosophy
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to
post by secretstash



Yes, but on the national level, 0% of us are actually making the decision. The electorial college is making the decision for us. So even if you 100% voter abstention, a president would be chosen.


Would they do it rock, paper, scissors, or flip a coin?


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:26 PM by holywar










reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:30 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by MemoryShock

My question to the membership is this:

Why do you think that the 'Powers That Be' would accept any percentage of chance regarding the leadership of this nation?


I guess first off is that I do not view "the powers that be" as sophisticated as some conspiracy theorists would make them out to be. There are undercurrents of corruption and power mongering within our government, but from the evidence of many debacles and fumblings I doubt their omnipotence.

Originally posted by MemoryShock

My follow up is this:
Why is it then relevant to place a vote for one of two individuals likley conditioned and prepped for the role of such a vaunted position?
I Abstain In 2008: The Second American Revolution


Again. I doubt that these two candidates are simple manufactured political bots eager to do the bidding of the "powers that be". I have no doubt that many forces will come strongly to bear upon them once in the white house, urging them to serve questionable causes and individuals and I voted for the man I thought would be more likely to rebuff such forces.

I will take it further...even if I knew the vote was fixed I would vote anyways if for no other reason than to make the supposed fixers job more challenging in hiding the will of the people, or perhaps to demonstrate the truth if it is somehow revealed...otherwise there is no "loss" in voting in your proposed scenario of the vote being fixed and their is the tiniest of possibility of gain.

To despair and not vote at all...I couldn't do that.


[edit on 4-11-2008 by maybereal11]


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:33 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Please forgive me for re-posting parts of what I had posted in July in another thread. But it answers your questions from my position.

What I really think about this election is that it DOES NOT matter who our next president is. It doesn’t matter if it’s Obama or McCain, because the powers that be have this all wrapped up and they are going to have their way regardless which person sits in the seat. It’s all a game, It’s all for show. It’s all to keep us busy, keep us distracted, keep us amused, occupied, while they do their thing.

BUT... I might be wrong.

Let’s say my doctor told me that I was going to die within a month, and I got a second opinion and a third and fourth and they all agreed that I was on my way out… The fifth doctor I see tells me that if I take this one pill, that has NO side effects, I’d have a 5% chance of beating this thing and living a healthy life. Would I take the pill? You bet I would.

That’s how I see this election. We’re “on our way out.” The people no longer have any power. The government has us by the short and curlies, they have it all planned out and regardless who wins this election, the plan isn’t going to change.

Massive revolt is the only way out - and they’ve even prepared for that (prison camps). And besides, people are too comfy watching their big screen TVs to step outside and think about a real revolution.

So, here we are, coming up on this “election” (for your entertainment and amusement, folks).

Now, if I’m correct, it doesn’t matter who I vote for. IT DOESN’T MATTER. It doesn’t make a difference. Nothing will change. If I vote or don’t vote. If I vote for Obama or McCain, or write in Ron Paul or Bugs Bunny. NOTHING will make a difference in the outcome of this master plan.

If I’m correct, that’s reality. But I could be wrong. Maybe they haven’t covered all the bases. Maybe I’m just a bit paranoid. Maybe there’s a slight chance (5%?) that the election is what he seems to be. Maybe, if I vote for someone and he wins, he will make a difference in the crash course of this country.

I know… it sounds naïve. I know it could be false hope. But if the 5th doctor gave me a pill and said there’s a 5% chance it would cure the ill, I would take it. That’s why I’m voting. Because even though I KNOW it doesn’t make a difference, there’s a chance, a slight chance that I’m wrong.

And if I’m right, and the country is on its way to hell in a hand basket, then those who don’t vote or vote 3rd party, thinking they’re all that for “being awake”; somehow wiser and more intellectual than the rest… well, they’re just as delusional as everyone else.

So, although I totally respect your right to chose not to vote, I am unsure still of what is the expected outcome of your choice.


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:41 PM by MemoryShock
Originally posted by maybereal11
I guess first off is that I do not view "the powers that be" as sophisticated as some conspiracy theorists would make them out to be. There are undercurrents of corruption and power mongering within our government, but from the evidence of many debacles and fumblings I doubt their omnipotence.


I, of course respectfully disagree. Consider the day to day attentions of our leaders and of the 'average American'. The former is involved in the metal consideration and verbal negotiation of 'how to best influence the population'. The latter is concerned with 'how best to raise a family while juggling professional concerns'.

The not often recognized and poverty stricken citizens who have no awareness of complex sociology and economics, but still have a vote and strain the limits of America's welfare programs are a major issue here.

Why is my vote any more important than somoene who was convinced by a campaign strategy...because they were influenced by rudimentary 'psy-ops' in the form of advertisement and billboards.

I, on a daily basis, focus on 'the issues'. I believe that my participation on ATS satisfies my 'civil duty'.

And yet people who don't interact with the election process every three years out of four have a voice equal to mine...

I love the discrepancy inherent in that...and will defend others voice.

I will make mine smaller, yet more consistent, because I truly think there is a difference to be made...


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 03:44 PM by MemoryShock
reply to post by Anonymous ATS



That is a weak argument, my friend. Please refer to my above posts.
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