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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 07:35 PM by EagleTalonZ

All I can say is, BRAVO!!! To those of you who didn't play their game. I've been at odds all day with not only many friends, but with my own family. I feel like I truly failed at teaching them. They all know everything I know. But pulling the deception that the government has placed in their heads... is a difficult task. And apparently today they won. My parents, and sister, and cousins, etc. all voted. They all believe their votes are making a difference. They ignore the fact that so many signs point to the obvious: With McCain and Obama, there is no difference.

At least this time I won't have to hang my head in shame and say, "Oh geez... I voted him in" This time, I'm proud to say I stood up for what I believe and did not take part in this mirage of deception called an 'Election'

I applaud all of you who stood up today as well...

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 07:35 PM by Lightworth

I didn't vote because my unusually strong opposition to rule by secrecy prevents it. It's all about the system; not the candidate. Obama will win my city (as the Democrat always does); but definitely not my state (Texas). So why bother?

I believe Obama would be the one more likely to be able to keep a cool enough head and not push nuclear buttons, but with the way *snip* is going these days, any jackass in the White House has that psychopathic ability to launch nukes on the list of his or her job qualifications. Or I'd be surprised if Obama doesn't, and I hope I'm wrong. cheers, tidings of comfort and joy

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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 07:44 PM by mike dangerously

reply to post by Hal9000

please,it matters even less when ya vote on the local level because it's all the same damn thing.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 07:44 PM by mattifikation

reply to post by truthquest

You are missing the point. I agree with your statement that one vote will not make a difference, so let me start out saying that right away.

However, it will also not make your voice be heard. Those ticks? That voice? They mean nothing to the preordained leaders who've been handed to us by TPTB. Zilch. Sure, you're voicing your opinion... to a brick wall. Not talking to brick walls does not make somebody a bad citizen, it makes them a non-insane one.

I did not see any way that supporting - or if what you say is true, voicing my opinion for - any of these jackasterisks would help me or my country, so I withheld my support. If it helps you sleep at night, go ahead and say that my voice was made heard in the form of a "tick" on the list of people who think all the candidates suck.

Oh, and write ins? They don't mean jack unless the person you write actually ran as a write-in candidate.

You want to make your voice heard? Write a letter to the paper or something. Every word you put in it will carry twice the weight of your meaningless vote.

FYI, this "you're a bad citizen" crap that you're regurgitating is just more of the "Us Vs. Them" population control tactic that's gotten us into this two-party mess to begin with.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 07:47 PM by truthquest

Originally posted by TheRandom1
reply to post by truthquest

YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT!!!

It's all a big hoax dude.

The NWO wants to make you think you have a choice, the fact is, you don't, not only is it incredibly easy to hack a voting machine several different ways WITHOUT getting caught, but the people who create the machines actually make sure that a certain candidate wins, usually the one who pays them the most, this IS proven.

All you're spewing is the same vomit the MSM spits up all the time, you don't know jack about what you're talking about, show me where it states that it is my DUTY as a citizen to vote, bullocks!

If you think you're so smart, answer this question:

How does a candidate get MINUS votes, like John Kerry did, he got -1,600, that's MINUS, that's a mathematical impossibility considering voting, it's either zero, or more than zero.

You should consider watching this documentary before making anymore stupid statements:

Hacking Democracy

Google Video Link

Seriously dude, seriously.

-Lahara

Sure they hacked the vote in 2000 and Bush stole the election. So let me correct my self: your vote counts 99% of the time. I'm sorry but if you do the opinion polls you will actually find that the criminals (aka Republicans and Democrats) in office are people people actually WANT to put in office. Go out and ask people who they WANT in office as president, and probably 50% of the time you will hear "Obama". So yes people's vote does count and if Kerry wasn't such a loser of an individual (Skull & Bones member automatically makes him a loser) then Bush couldn't have won by stealing a few thousand votes here and there.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 07:51 PM by kinglizard

Beyond voting being an obligation and civic duty I'm excited to be part of the US voting body in such a historic election. Unbelievably 80% of my state let their voice be heard.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:01 PM by truthquest

reply to post by Lightworth

How does a distaste for rule by secrecy stop you from voting? Do you think Bob Barr if elected would conduct his presidency in secrecy? Ralph Nader? The constitution party candidate? The socialist candidate? A write-in for Ron Paul? Surely If your only two choices were Obama or McCain I could understand. But why didn't you look into the 3rd party candidates? Are all of them really candidates who would strengthen or maintain the veil of government secrecy?

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:07 PM by Evisscerator

Originally posted by MemoryShock
And I am okay with it. I would at this point, on this day of the 2008 Presidential Election, to remind everyone here that this is indeed a conspiracy website. While I respect and commend our many members for their participation regarding the decision of our government, I must respectfully disagree that the election is not fixed.

It is irrelevant as to whether or not Obama or McCain wins. They are both humans who have enjoyed the attention of various political and corporate interaction and as well enjoy a higher standard of living than the Average American. Good for them, and while I am aware that 'individual success' is a good indicator with regards to the efficacy of ones expression, I do not hold it to be true in this particular case.

There is a lot at stake here...the attention of arguably the strongest national superpower in the world.

My question to the membership is this:

Why do you think that the 'Powers That Be' would accept any percentage of chance regarding the leadership of this nation?

My follow up is this:

Why is it then relevant to place a vote for one of two individuals likley conditioned and prepped for the role of such a vaunted position?

Please keep this thread on topic. My questions are clear and I am indeed curious to hear response from the membership, but as 'civil duty' is a vehemently cherished concept in some regions, I feel the need to remind everyone to remain within the Terms and Conditions of this site when 'judging me' for neglecting my 'civil duty'.

Thank you.

I Abstain In 2008: The Second American Revolution

Your topic is of great interest to me, for this reason.

People do their best to "Guilt Trip" someone into voting. However, NOT VOTING has just as much power if not more than VOTING. Here is why.

Voting doesn't mean anything during the Presidential Election. Your vote does not count. The President / VP are put into office by the Electoral College, who, by the way, can vote any way they want to. They are not encumbered by any law to vote the will of the People.

Also, NOT VOTING sends a signal of "NO CONFIDENCE" to those who are running for office. You don't cast a vote for them, they will have been undone in their perceptions of who they think they are and what they believe they are going to do.

On a final note, NO ONE PERSON running for OFFICE can change anything. They need and depend upon others in the electorate in order to pass legislation that might become law.

Enough Said !

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:10 PM by Everythingyouknowisalie

Obama is coca-cola and McCain is pepsi-at the end of the day your still drinking the same beverage.

I couldn't say it any better.....the way I see it either way we are all screwed.

Just my 2 cents

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:15 PM by truthquest

Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by truthquest

However, it will also not make your voice be heard. Those ticks? That voice? They mean nothing to the preordained leaders who've been handed to us by TPTB. Zilch. Sure, you're voicing your opinion... to a brick wall. Not talking to brick walls does not make somebody a bad citizen, it makes them a non-insane one.

I did not see any way that supporting - or if what you say is true, voicing my opinion for - any of these jackasterisks would help me or my country, so I withheld my support. If it helps you sleep at night, go ahead and say that my voice was made heard in the form of a "tick" on the list of people who think all the candidates suck.

Oh, and write ins? They don't mean jack unless the person you write actually ran as a write-in candidate.

You want to make your voice heard? Write a letter to the paper or something. Every word you put in it will carry twice the weight of your meaningless vote.

FYI, this "you're a bad citizen" crap that you're regurgitating is just more of the "Us Vs. Them" population control tactic that's gotten us into this two-party mess to begin with.

I don't think you are correct. The number of votes that each candidate scores is published for all to see, and all of us interested in politics do look at the numbers.

Furthermore, you are basically advocating a system where nobody votes in the US, correct? So in that case rather than corporations paying off congress they would pay their employees to vote a certain way. Is that an improvement to you? Corporations directly electing our leaders? That would definitely have made a difference this election as McCain would have won in a landslide. Is that the system you want to see? I'm sorry but a horrible situation can get even worse. Tell me though that you really think that with nobody in the US voting, things would be no different.

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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:22 PM by mattifikation

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The point is, we basically already have a country where nobody votes. Oh, sure, you might stand in the box and check somebody's name. They let you do this, so you think your voice matters. I can do this in my living room, on a fake voting machine. It will have the same effect: Nothing.

Forgive me if I don't believe in wasting my time just to try and "voice my opinion" in one of the least effective ways possible, and spare me the "good citizen" crap - I pay my taxes and obey the laws, and according to the law and the Constitution those are my ONLY "civic duties."

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:31 PM by SolarSeaman

"obligation and civic duty"

We are obliged the civic liberty to not vote. We may consider that we do not have enough information, or that the candidate's running for office are unacceptable due to established behavior patterns.

Your obligation and civic duty is instated by you, or by someone whose beliefs you find valid for any reason that is justified by your mind. I have the same liberty to decide if I find validity in the merits of any argument and I can recommend options in accordance with the present laws of this system if I find no reasonable worth in the solutions proposed.

I did have one vote I cared for but it is a total landslide for how I would have voted, anyways. So, my having voted would have made someone's wait in line longer and would have used valuable resources (time is the only real invaluable resource, life is short and all that) that I deemed a sufficient reason to not go to the library to try to make sure I hit every non-incumbent or third party candidate's little vote thingy.

I commend people who have more noble values than myself, but that doesn't mean we are not of precisely equal stature.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:33 PM by corusso

reply to post by MemoryShock

1. THEY don't leave it up to chance. I feel both parties are bought & payed for. I think they keep the polls close so they can throw the election either way. Theres a plan A and plan B. If this guy wins they go with plan A if that guy wins they go with plan B.
2. I voted for C.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:34 PM by Leo Strauss

It is your duty to vote as a citizen! You don't understand the least bit what a real monarchy entails nor a real dictatorship. If you want a voice stand up!!

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:39 PM by MemoryShock

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
You don't understand the least bit what a real monarchy entails nor a real dictatorship. If you want a voice stand up!!

All due respect...you are not an authority on what I understand...

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:43 PM by computerwiz32

reply to post by truthquest

No your vote dosen't count as much.

Voting also dosen't matter it comes down to who has control.

So far big corps have control. So even if obama or john wins we will still get the same dosage as what bush gave us.

The reason is special interest is working behind the scenes. They have ways to twist and turn either one to agree with them.

I also am a programmer and do understand that those eletronic voting machines and also the one that counts the scantrons can be hacked.

You can easily hack those things if you want to only if your a programmer or at least know how to program .

So if you can hack most of the countries votes you can make a big changes in votes that are counted in a wrong way.

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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:45 PM by toochaos4u

I didn't vote for a PR Resident. I did however vote in the local elections. I remember hearing Obama on a radio show a few years ago and by his smugness about contemplating if he would run for President I said to myself, " He will be President next." Something about the vibes he gave off as he talked made me think he believed he would be President before even officially running. Yes, I believe they are already chosen sometimes years in advance.

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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:48 PM by TheRandom1

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
It is your duty to vote as a citizen! You don't understand the least bit what a real monarchy entails nor a real dictatorship. If you want a voice stand up!!

Prove it! Prove to me by some government document of something that it is my DUTY to vote, it's not, you're just regurgitating the same vomit the MSM spews, they are the ones telling you this, there is no law, no vow, nothing that says I have to vote. All you have is your own opinion, nothing else.

YOUR VOTE DOES'NT COUNT!

I applaud you MemoryShock on fulfilling your personal obligations on not giving into a corrupt system.

Voting isn't change, it's more of the same.

-Lahara

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:49 PM by truthquest

Originally posted by mattifikation
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The point is, we basically already have a country where nobody votes. Oh, sure, you might stand in the box and check somebody's name. They let you do this, so you think your voice matters. I can do this in my living room, on a fake voting machine. It will have the same effect: Nothing.

Forgive me if I don't believe in wasting my time just to try and "voice my opinion" in one of the least effective ways possible, and spare me the "good citizen" crap - I pay my taxes and obey the laws, and according to the law and the Constitution those are my ONLY "civic duties."

That is strange. I think my civic duty is to vote(the designated way of participating in our democracy as defined by the constitution), but then NOT obey laws (if they are in violation of other higher laws), and NOT pay taxes (when those taxes are in violation of other higher laws). Sometimes local law violates state law, and sometimes state law violates the federal code, and sometimes the federal code violates the US constitution. As far as I know the constitution assigns duties only to the government, and assigns only rights to citizens and no duties at all. But show how I'm wrong.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:54 PM by Leo Strauss

reply to post by MemoryShock

I remember people like you telling me it wouldn't matter if it was Bush or Gore! Well there was a difference!

You can't get over that there are elites in the world and they run things. If Ron Paul were elected they would still "run things" get over it!

Obama has already disappointed me personally and we will need to stand up and put some pressure on him if we want our voices to be heard.

Or we can go babble in a corner about the NWO.