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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 05:19 PM by wheresthetruth
Originally posted by MemoryShock
My question to the membership is this:

Why do you think that the 'Powers That Be' would accept any percentage of chance regarding the leadership of this nation?

My follow up is this:

Why is it then relevant to place a vote for one of two individuals likley conditioned and prepped for the role of such a vaunted position?


TPTB do not take such chances. They are not gamblers. If the electoral process at the highest level was not a rigged and foregone conclusion from the beginning, more people on the ballot would get air time and debate time. Open forum debates with all of the candidates went away a long time ago because there is always a candidate that speaks the truth in a live and open forum and asks challenging questions of the other candidates and citizenry. The closer we get to global domination, the worse this process gets.

I did not vote for potus. I found out in the past that it is not the will of the people that decides the vote. It has been said that the popular vote determines the electoral vote and the electoral vote determines the president. Not exactly true when you think back on how Bush won a presidency by losing the popular vote. I live in Mississippi. We have exactly zilch when it comes to electoral swaying power on this campaign.
I did not vote locally. the last 3 times I voted for state and local, I saw candidates that I did not vote for win and then abuse their position by absolutely not representing the people that elected them.

I am going to keep complaining everytime something happens that I dont agree with, regardless of my choice not to vote. I pay taxes. I have been paying them for over 20 years. I think that earns me a spot on the soapbox when I feel it is warranted.

Besides, my write-in candidate is not going to win. I tried to get the word out about Bugs and Daffy, but I doubt many heard my message.


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 05:22 PM by peggy m
reply to post by MemoryShock



I also agree with you that the majority of the time, the voting process is not "fixed"; however, please explain how the electoral vote can overturn the popular vote?

This is one of those special "democratic" social reform elections. I have been following the state of international and national affairs for quite some time. Bush's government (for he is not alone running this country) was able to apply new powers to government, making it stronger than the people, alienated the US from the majority of other countries with the invasion of Iraq, went in debt a little too far, and now the "powers that be" have decided to give the people a few crumbs this election with a charismatic leader that promises to do something for the people of the US in order to prevent the unrest that is sure to come when foreign loans stop and the US collapses under the weight of its own debt.

Did you not think it was odd that the media coverage was all about Obama vs. Mrs. Clinton? Even the coverage that followed the wake of the democratic selection was geared toward Obama? Obama is the crumb being used to satisfy the starving nation. This bought the "powers that be" at least four years to globally/nationally restrengthen its hold. Obama is muslim and the US has invaded a muslim country. How would you get a country's people to stop resisting and support the US invasion both here and in Iraq? Give them a muslim democrat.

It is simply in the design of the system of things. The "powers that be" need the resources in Iraq. The US will not pull out until the US controls that country's resource. That is how a core country remains #1. Does your vote matter? Only to you. A democrat was to win the election this year regardless. It was a gift handed to the "powers that be" for it to be a muslim. Does that matter? Only to the Iraq people.

Now we can watch for the real character of Obama to either come out and stand up for the people of this country or go along with the power and simply give crumbs when necessary while the power usurps this country of resources and the rest of the world.

Personally, I did not choose the lessor of two evils. I wrote in my selection. That way, I reserve the right to complain about who the rest of the country voted for. You should have voted, even if you did like I did and chose option "C". Not voting gives less credit to your future complaints.


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 05:31 PM by ToolFanMael
reply to post by MemoryShock



I just find it hard to believe that things are gonna change for the better.... changing the Player may give you a better chance but you're still playing in the same (Snip) up game, plain and simple.

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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 05:40 PM by americandingbat
reply to post by MemoryShock



Hi Mr. Shock

I'm not sure I agree with you that which of the two puppets gets elected will have no effect – because I tend to see things in sociological and anthropological rather than political terms.

My answer to your original questions is:

1) no I don't think that anyone who is not pre-approved by the PTB would be allowed to win, nor do I think that which man wins will make much difference in the power structure of our country, directly.

2) I think that it will have an impact in the consciousness of the nation, and I believe that in history's long run, changes in how people think drive political and paradigmatic change.

On the other hand, I think that you have the right to do what makes sense to you. And I want to thank you for making me think about the phrase "civic duty," and how it yet again dichotomizes us into "those who do" and "those who don't." We are free to not vote, as well as free to vote. Others have addressed the pitfalls of not participating in the political process on the local level – I think you can weigh those yourself.

Maybe I'm just still not quite cynical enough to think that change isn't possible, even if it takes decades or centuries rather than months.


reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 05:47 PM by jimmy1200

By just note voting, you are playing into their plan... They don't want us to vote, they HATE that we are still a semi-free nation... But, our RIGHT to vote is the Mechinism that DRIVES our society.


lets just simplify this thread. a misinformed, ignorant, and bias vote, is no better than nothing at all. that is that stupid fuc&^%$ lesser of two evils mentality that people have adapted. millions are out there voting for obama because he is black, millions are out there voting for mccain because he is a good ol white war vet, regardless of his stupid vp.

people in this country are voting mainly based off of the ideas, and news that has been spoon fed to them through mostly unworthy sources. that is no good. democracy is an ideal illusion, that is no longer existent, if it ever was, in this country. you cannot efficiently have democracy in a stupid society. would anyone here put trust in the hands of people based purely off of hope and emotion, thats ridiculous. tens of millions of americans cant even properly use google, the 1000 dollar computers they own, or their own damn cell phones, and they in some way should be able to take place in the voting process, and make strong decisions for the country, when most people in america, if were ask what is democracy, would have no clean cut answer.

please

if you dont vote, you cant complain has to be the all time idiot line of the 20th and 21st century. really, my other interactions within the government, like my freaking taxes, dont give me the right to complain. oh, i should still go to the ballot and do something. FOR FUC#$%^ WHAT. so i can feel like a good ol proud american because i went to at least go do something.

so any dummy who goes to vote, and lacks even the most basic awareness of the candidates, politics, democracy, etc..., is better than people significantly smarter than them that didnt vote because of their awareness of the greater problems that corrupt our politics, and our world. if that makes sense to you, than you are unworthy of life. you have wasted your "god" given potential, and you should be ashamed of yourself for allowing yourself to breath for this long.



reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 06:00 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Hal9000



Yeah, but your HAL9000, you can't be trusted either.
I voted for Nixon in 72 and he won, voted for Clinton in 92 and he won.. Both of them disappointed me.. I believed both of them and they both lied. I am not going to be even partly responsible for electing another politician to an office of authority if I don't feel that I can trust them.

I also don't understand why Ron Paul didn't win in a landslide.
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