Snap Out of It - Obama is using Clinical Hypnosis on You!

Originally posted by sleepingnuances
Hypnosis/NLP aside, did the OP even check out the source?

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No, this can't be at all biased ¬_¬

What's that about denying ignorance again?

Citing NYT, MSNBC, and/or CNN is biased the other way... what sources are not biased? Anyway, this article was well researched and cited many academic resources.

The author of the article on a number of occassions writes that "Rationally he is an unaccomplished man with shady connections..."

Rationally he is a US Senator from Illinois who despite modest means managed to graduate top of his class at Harvard and headed up the Harvard Law Review.

Obama is nothing to be afraid of...just look at my watch and repeat after me...sheesh!

It's called public speaking...one of the first things they teach you is to slow down when speaking. When you do it feels unnatural but has a substantial impact on the listener.

Watch the deciders speeches from the past you will notice the same thing. They all do it, at least the good public speakers.

It is left wing propaganda IMHO nothing more. Anybody with a IQ above 90 can see through that crap. Just like my own GOPs crap.

Yup, same here. Something about him that grates on my nerves or sends out the wrong vibes whatever you want to call it.




reply to post by Stormdancer777

This document examines Obama’s speeches word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients. Obama’s mesmerized, cult-like, grade-school-crush-like worship by millions is not because “Obama is the greatest leader of a generation” who simply hasn’t accomplished anything, who magically “inspires” by giving speeches. Obama is committing perhaps the biggest fraud and deception in American history.

This is a superb attack, orchestrated using the exact same methods you are complaining about.

Everyone does this stuff, sure he's doing it consciously to manipulate, and I'm not really a fan of Obama myself, but you are cherry picking information, ALL and I mean ALL politicians do this, I mean look at Bush and Rumsfeld ffs!

This thread is stupid only because it is only concentrating on one person, racism? perhaps...

It's a shame that if someone made a thread about Milton or Clinical Hypnosis or NLP/Bandler NO ONE would read it, respond to it, or even care.... So sad we have to write controversial material to get people to respond or wake up themselves.

It's about time people started looking at this, but this is really a pathetic way of educating people on this stuff, it makes these techniques and material look bad, when really it isn't at all, only people with bad agendas, and those who are too deep in their own trance to notice it.

reply to post by SkipShipman

As every "good" speaker, speaches includes lots of those things, and TV commercials, TV documents..theres no place, where isnt manipulation,leading,
distracting, psychological leading is everywhere, wheres people get together...
masshallusination, propaganda, even political borders, cultural habbits..
peoples have been thought to belong in a heard. Its hard to be really individual, and see that other point of view from everything.

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

This document examines Obama’s speeches word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients. Obama’s mesmerized, cult-like, grade-school-crush-like worship by millions is not because “Obama is the greatest leader of a generation” who simply hasn’t accomplished anything, who magically “inspires” by giving speeches. Obama is committing perhaps the biggest fraud and deception in American history.

This is a superb attack, orchestrated using the exact same methods you are complaining about.

Everyone does this stuff, sure he's doing it consciously to manipulate, and I'm not really a fan of Obama myself, but you are cherry picking information, ALL and I mean ALL politicians do this, I mean look at Bush and Rumsfeld ffs!

This thread is stupid only because it is only concentrating on one person, racism? perhaps...

It's a shame that if someone made a thread about Milton or Clinical Hypnosis or NLP/Bandler NO ONE would read it, respond to it, or even care.... So sad we have to write controversial material to get people to respond or wake up themselves.

It's about time people started looking at this, but this is really a pathetic way of educating people on this stuff, it makes these techniques and material look bad, when really it isn't at all, only people with bad agendas, and those who are too deep in their own trance to notice it.

The intention of this post is not solely directed at Obama, although the article concentrates on his specific ways of doing things. You can apply the same process to other politicians, however you might not find the specificity of methods that Obama utilizes.

On some earlier remarks, Obama became connected to the Trilateral Commission while at the lost Columbia University years. Zbigniew Brzezinski had apparently took Obama under his wing, grooming him with any other number of young people as a possible Presidential contender. That can form the reason why he progressed steadily after that time. Notwithstanding his current heavy support from Wall Street, the hypnosis might just be the tip of the iceberg. His accomplishments do not really seem as great as his speaking maintains, after you look critically at the captivating words, and sort out what he intends to actually do. Words such as "change," and "I stand before you," prepare the listener from assured facts into less assured concepts that the audience all to willingly accepts. It looks like the method is working almost too well, considering that Obama has done next to nothing in the US Senate. In Chicago politics they ask "who sent you," and remember that with Obama you may well be getting another bill of goods.

reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR


What are you talking about? The OP is left-wing propaganda? It seems pretty obvious they are painting him in a negative light for using these techniques. No, you must mean that the techniques themselves are left-wing propaganda. As pure energy has been saying, these techniques are being implemented by both parties.

When are people going to learn that its not about Left-wing/Right-wing, Democrat/Republican, Its about rich versus poor. Classism is the real issue here. Caste system/Classism. Don't get me wrong, I think that superior work ethic and drive should produce higher wages and standards of living, but it comes to a point where enough is enough. I think this article defines the quandary nicely.

Misappropriation of funds!

Originally posted by SkipShipman
The intention of this post is not solely directed at Obama

Just out of curiosity how did you learn about this stuff?

I am aware it can be applied to any politician (as well as any person) although your post is clearly targeted at Obama; as I've said previously I don't support Obama (I'm Canadian for one) and two I have done my research to know who he is affiliated with, although it was the weathermen underground who also freed Timothy Leary from prison.

I am glad more people are becoming educated on hypnosis and nlp therefore I figured I would post the names of some books for people to gander at if they can find/Buy them.

-Michael Hall - The Sourcebook of Magic (NLP)
-Robert Cialdini - Influence - Science and Practice, 4th Edition
-Patterns Of The Hypnotic Techniques Of Milton Erickson Vol I
-Patterns Of The Hypnotic Techniques Of Milton Erickson Vol II
-Milton H Erickson - Experiencing Hypnosis
-Milton H Erickson - Hypnotherapy - An Exploratory Casebook
-Milton H Erickson - Complete Works
-Richard Bandler - Insider's Guide to Sub-Modalities
-Richard Bandler - Time For A Change
-Richard Bandler - Using Your Brain
-Richard Bandler & John Grinder - Trance-Formations
-Richard Bandler And John Grinder - Reframing Neuro-Linguistic Programming And The Transformation Of Meaning
-Richard Bandler And John La Valle - Persuasion Engineering
-Richard Bandler- Frogs Into Princes
-Michael Hall - The Spirit of NLP
-Sleight of Mouth - The magic of Conversational Belief Change (by Robert Dilts)
-Strategies of Genius Vol I, II, and III (by Robert Dilts)
-Robert Dilts - Visionary Leadership Skills
-My Voice Will Go With You -The Teaching Tales Of Milton Erickson by Sidney Rosen

That's a few books to check into.

I've been working way too much lately to be able to make a decent thread about this information so people can become more educated and less afraid of what they don't know.







[edit on 10/18/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

Originally posted by grover


Obama is going to win because people want change and after 12 out of the past 14 years in control of congress and the past 8 in the White House people don't believe that the Republicans can deliver anything other than more of the same.

The only real change can come when ALL DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS are evicted from their political positions. One side or the other does not completely control the government. It takes both to make it happen. The only difference between a Democrat and a Republican is that Republicans screw you up front, while Democrats are screwing you in the rear.

reply to post by SkipShipman


SS....it is a shame that you start a nonsense thread such as this, since it will likely promulgate, around the Internet...which is possibly your intention???

Look....anyone who does any research at all knows that 'hypnosis' as currently understood will NOT....and I emphasize...WILL NOT influence a person to do anything against their nature.

I have sat and talked with people who practice 'hypnosis'. I put that word in quotes for a reason....the people who actually are trained in hypnosis know, and will tell you, that NO ONE does anything they don't want to!!!

The people I've met who are trained in placing people into the 'hypnotic state' are very clear, in their explanations. Firstly, anyone who is 'hypnotized' can shake it off immediately, if they wish. Hypnotism is simply a removal of normal socialistic 'shyness', to allow the true self to emerge....regardless of any subsequent 'embarrassment'.

Never, ever, EVER! could someone be hypnotized to do something against their will. It is a concept that is promoted by terrible fiction, mostly from HollyWood. But, not only HollyWood....but from charlatans since the turn of the 20th Century.......

I actually have personal experience of seeing my friend, on stage, in a comedy hypnotism show. I've talked with him afterwards, and it was simply....his point was...'I knew what I was doing, but my inhibitions were lifted'... and he had a great time!

It is the ability to just be like a child again, and laugh at yourself afterwards....and pick up, dust off and continue to laugh!!!

This same Hypnotist also gets hired by Corporations to help ease tensions, with employees....but he KNOWS when he encounters a person who simply cannot 'dance like a ballerina' because it is evident in the client....and a good hypnotist knows to recognize that dilemma, and realize that the show is not worth the terrible embarrassment of one individual.

As I said, a good Hypnotist knows there is a line, never to cross.

BUT, there is NO WAY a person cold practice any sort of 'hypnotism' through the TV!!! The idea is completely ludicrous, and shows a complete lack of knowledge....so I am trying to 'Deny Ignorance' on this subject.

BTW...no, I am NOT trained in how to hyptonize people.....and I sincerely doubt Sen. Barack Obama is either!!!

reply to post by seejanerun


The fact that you say you don't mind having a black president, implies that you do. Many white people are scared of intelligent, articulate, black people.... it's ok!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SkipShipman

 

Look....anyone who does any research at all knows that 'hypnosis' as currently understood will NOT....and I emphasize...WILL NOT influence a person to do anything against their nature.

I have sat and talked with people who practice 'hypnosis'. I put that word in quotes for a reason....the people who actually are trained in hypnosis know, and will tell you, that NO ONE does anything they don't want to!!!

Never, ever, EVER! could someone be hypnotized to do something against their will. It is a concept that is promoted by terrible fiction, mostly from HollyWood. But, not only HollyWood....but from charlatans since the turn of the 20th Century.......

As I said, a good Hypnotist knows there is a line, never to cross.

BUT, there is NO WAY a person cold practice any sort of 'hypnotism' through the TV!!! The idea is completely ludicrous, and shows a complete lack of knowledge....so I am trying to 'Deny Ignorance' on this subject.

BTW...no, I am NOT trained in how to hypnotize people.....and I sincerely doubt Sen. Barack Obama is either!!!

One idea that comes to mind is the Pokeman TV incident in Japan, not to mention extensive readings from the MKULTRA program where people respond to code words.

The article itself refers to a Supreme Court case wherein a confession was extracted through hypnosis. If that is not doing something contrary to your own self interest, what is?

There are no rules other than from the point of view of the hypnotist, no he wouldn't program you to do something you do not want to do, would he? If he is an ethical hypnotist yes, he would not. Nonetheless I agree the process here does demonstrate some degree of nonsense, it uncovers it. How else does one explain the shifting positions without a response, but rather continued consent to whatever is said?

An informed electorate would read this article, size it up, let go of their googly eyed passions, and vote for Obama or anyone else for what he actually offers, not because he is so "awesome."

reply to post by SkipShipman


Well, SS...not sure I'm completely familiar with all of the details of 'Pokemon' in Japan or MKULTRA.....

Except to say that if you get ALL of your information off of the 'Internets'....then I feel my point has been made.

As to 'Pokemon' I would refer you to a "South Park" cartoon episode, which spoofed, quite well, that entire concept.

reply to post by SkipShipman


I'm not sure about much to do with Obama & i do think that most politicians speak in that way but being one of the people who isnt from your country.I like to say, when i have heard him speak he reminds me of the way some of kennedy's speeches make me feel when i have heard them,maybe I'm being really ignorant but he does appear to be aware of the people & not so focused on people getting more but helping those with little instead, i'm very sorry if some of you or all of you think i'm being stupid & naive as id be the first to admit i haven't really had much input about him but i'm just telling you how i FEEL when he speaks,like Lennon,Martin Luther,& kennedy it feels like he really does care, as they did.& yes you could say that the mind washing is part of that but he doesn't make me feel bad not in a hoodwink type of way as bush did before he got in all those years back!!or mckain or that bitch do now!!we have a ban on pitbulls dont you,i know loads of nicer hounds than her,GRRRRRRRR,oh & dont loads of young kids like Obama well perhaps they haven't been tainted like us adults,i trust how kids & animals react to people they Know deep inside if some one is trustworthy & genuine,& can see threw the lies however they are dressed up, lipstick??? shouting about God or however,honestly how can bush say he is for god when he has killed so many both as a Governor when he sent more to death row than any other or now in his mad wars he has created for wealth.
Obama seems to have a foundation of religion but its as if he has more tolerance & understanding about the diversity of believers,come on surely its the same as long as we don't kill,& take part in the wrong side of the track we all know what is right & wrong deep inside whose ever name we do it in.its obviouse some of them are very much in legue with the devil.even if they are trying to say they are doing it because they are for god,the real God or Divinity weather its alien or not the good side wouldnt want any of what he bush & all that crew have done,Its just WRONG

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
This thread is stupid only because it is only concentrating on one person, racism? perhaps...

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
as I've said previously I don't support Obama (I'm Canadian for one) and two I have done my research to know who he is affiliated with, although it was the weathermen underground who also freed Timothy Leary from prison.

I've never read anything playing the racism card as you did that did not come from a consummate Obama supporter. Its pure Daily Koss technique. Did you do that because you have heard it so often that it just slipped out, or do you believe people who say negative things about Obama are all Racist's? The Koss crowd know up front its not true but they say it to punish and ridicule others for their opinions. Is that why you do it?

On topic,

The article was interesting but all it truly describes is what is called charisma. Some learn it and some come to it naturally. The best instinctively know why it works and don't need to be taught it.

The fact Obama is charismatic has no sway on my opinion, but it clearly has a profound effect on others. One need only ask a random Obama supporter to detail his policies or which of his proposals caused them to pick him over Clinton to find out they are voting based on emotion. That is most likely true of supporters of most Politicians.

I don't see this as anything to base a choice on one way or the other. People need to dissect the Candidates plans and proposals or lack of them and yes, they need to look into their character. Character does matter unless people want to be fools. Not the character of their associates, but their own character.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SkipShipman

 

As I said, a good Hypnotist knows there is a line, never to cross.

This is hypnotic language itself.... It can be done over any communication medium, including the television.

A "good" hypnotist? according to whom?
a "line" ... is this line hallucinated? figurative? and is this line the same for all "good" hypnotists, according to.. whom? and does this line also indicate that there is something to cross? what is on the other side of this line? manipulation?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
BUT, there is NO WAY a person cold practice any sort of 'hypnotism' through the TV!!! The idea is completely ludicrous, and shows a complete lack of knowledge....so I am trying to 'Deny Ignorance' on this subject.

The idea is a fine one, and happens to us everyday, which is why some of us totally miss other people in the room getting up and going to the kitchen to get a drink and returning without you EVER noticing.. it's called a trance, induced hypnotically by advertisers and show writers.

It shows a complete lack of knowledge that people find it necessary to comment on posts, let alone make posts about something they vaguely understand, and I don't mean this directed at you exclusively.

Trying implies failure... if I tell you I tried to open the door, you know I didn't.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
BTW...no, I am NOT trained in how to hyptonize people.....and I sincerely doubt Sen. Barack Obama is either!!!

This is quite obvious that you are not a trained hypnotist/hypnotherapist by the previous comments.

and I sincerely tell you that any person in a position of power in any company will have had SOME sort of training that is related to persuasion, hypnotherapy, NLP, Team building etc.. all interpersonal communication models.

Once again, I really think this type of thread should have been structured better to use examples from politics and the world around us to explain hypnosis and it's applications in daily life.... but low and behold, let's tarnish something useful.

Thre's one technial mater that I don't see in this discussion. None of you are talking about the mechanics of advanced oratory that most public speakersl earn in college. Use of tone, rhyth, extrapolaitve logic, and body language are all taught in advanced classes. Those of you with Psych degrees will also know that propoganda has auditory, visual, and mental components.

Senator Obama wins debates on style, withouth aving to resort to substnace. His job is made easier when his opponent fails to be a dynamic speaker, or to rebutt with substance. you don't have to be a consiracy theorist to know that one puts on a better show than the other.

In your Freshman debate class, they will teach you that style trumps substance when your opponent fails to present, repreent, or embody the points they say they want to make.rule two is never respond with substance when you don't have to. One-liners make better conclusions than actual arguments because they sound better.

The terrible truth isthat John McCain hasn't got a public speaker's bone in his entire body. that doesn't make him a bad person. I just means he's going to a verbal fight without any weapons. He can be 'right' all he wants. Factual correctness doesn not win debates. It never has.

Win the battle of perception, and your audience will assume that you know what you've just kinda sorta been talking about.

[edit on 18-10-2008 by Justin Oldham]