Snap Out of It - Obama is using Clinical Hypnosis on You!

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


sad_eyed_lady....

I appreciate your opinion....but please appreciate our other opinions, based on reality....

Perhaps the funny thing to think about is: the Republicans are trying to spin this idea...and not by using 'hypnosis'....but by traditional Republican 'values'....Lies, Lies and MORE Lies!!!!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by PuRe EnErGy

 

Pure energy....in NO WAY did I say anything about olfactory!!!!

Seems it's something you composed out of your imagination.

.... I know you didn't say anything about Olfactory, can you read though, I wasn't implying you said anything about Olfactory.

It's obvious you came on here spouting off like you knew something about hypnosis and NLP and thus you do not, your subsequent posts iterate that point clearly. I've said my bit, it's there for people to read; maybe people will be paying closer attention to what is going on, not just half listen or watch things; I urge you to read one of the books (if not all of them) that I mentioned previously, you'll thank yourself now.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

yes i agree,thank goodness some one is awake,i'm certainly not taken in by people & don't really have that much of a altered agenda to who i would like to win since I'm not from states, but yes i think he is on the good side he is sincere & real,others are all just chat,Obama seems as though he would be more humble & even admit if he got something incorrect,also i don't feel he is a liar a rare thing these days.

Going on record here and stating that after reading the full content of the article, examining the Erickson stance on conversational hypnosis, and for those who didn't dig any farther, yes Erickson was the foundation on which this form of hypnosis was built, and lastly going through speeches of Obama's on youtube, I can 100% say Obama uses these techniques. For the record I don't believe it to be morally right and yes this type of mass hypnosis for the purposes he usese it are illegal as $#!^ Now for my personal opinion, I don't believe in the Blue guy vs. Red guy propaganda that is spun to us as our political system. Point in case, 2000 election, GW beats a almost media non-existent Al Gore, this is the same Gore who was vice pres. to arguably one the most popular presidents since Kennedy. I remember people stating Gore was Mr. Roboto and so forth. Fast Fwd 8 years and look at the layout, Gore is now regarded as brilliant for bringing main stream attention to a matter that the general public was already aware of and is now seen as hero to the planet as a result. GW survived 8 years, looks like the biggest villain ever due to numerous issues that he either helped perpatrate or did little to nothing about depending on who you ask. He is also responsible for killing the countries credibility with the world. He is also being pinned as the scape goat for an economic crisis that when the facts of the matter are truly examined he didn't create, granted he did nothing to help matters, but he didn't start this meltdown, Mr popularity Billie C did. Now we have an election between a young candidate who in all honesty has the shadiest associations with New Party, ACORN and other KNOWN socialist groups. (seriously do some digging most of it is public record)All of which are FACTS like his association with Ayers (who was also involved with the groups I mentioned)yet many won't believe it just because he tells you to, but thats your business. So you have Obama vs. the guy who was the throw away candidate from the Red Guy primaries in 2000, who in all honesty looks like he could fall over dead if a strong wind blew his way. Mr throw away is also very shady and has helped GW every chance he can and has raked us over the coals with the rest of the senate. So in 2008 people are fed up with the current situation, Blue guy has every body spell bound into believing he's different when in fact he is the same as the rest. You believe you have a choice when in reality, you have none. Look at 2000, and again in 2004 GW didn't pull off these coups on his own, for further proof look at the reaction Gore had to this, if the elections were ever meant to be legit he would have fought to the death. But no Gore had his marching orders as did Kerry and here we are. The elite are tanking our currency, all while trying to convince us we need a new global economic system. Meanwhile they have kept the populace ditracted by Red guy vs. Blue guy, and all the is he this or that, and what about Mrs moose hunter. Logic would tell you that if you add blue and red you get purple, thats a lie when you add them you get GREEN! Just my view point though.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS



Actually, almost everyone uses one or more of these "techniques" in
their daily conversations just by happenstance. Communication at the
human level is very complicated and chemistry intense. I would
assume that Senator Obama mastered his speaking techniques some-
where between Harvard and becoming an Illinois state Senator. When
he arrived on the scene here in Chicago during the early 1990's, people
in the local community were drawn to him for leadership in an almost
supernatural way.

Doesn't one (or several) of the world's holy books talk about a
charismatic man arriving on the scene and taking over the world..or
something like that? Could this be the beginning of that epoch???
-cwm

reply to post by PuRe EnErGy


Yes, PuRe....

Joe the Plumber....has already seen to be a farce....a 'talking point' from the McCain Campaign.

Point of fact: This guy that McCain raised, in the Third 'debate'....is not 'Joe', he is Raymond J. Also: He is NOT a plumber trying to BUY his own business...another LIE to be convenient for the McCain campaign.

He is, actually an unemployed wannabe....an unlicensed Contractor....

Sad that a guy who lied, once on camera, during Sen. Obama's foray into his possible constituents was used by his political opponent in such a derisive way......

This guy, "Joe the Plumber" isn't quite what he's been purported to be, is he??

He's a 'Libertarian'....who hates Medicare.....he is a 'Libertarian'....so I hope John McCain is happy he brought up this guy!!!

Originally posted by MagicaRose
reply to post by SkipShipman

 

If he is doing this , why is it that some people are not affected by it?

From the first day I heard him speak I've not liked him at all.

There are different degrees of susceptibility to hypnosis, ironically I read reported religiously inclined people are willing to overlook Obama on the abortion issue in favor of the economy. Religious speakers can mesmerize people, and regular church goers can be hypnotized more readily. Not all religious people have this issue, but that is interesting nonetheless.

But what you have is a good step to what people would have after analyzing the article, a conscious recognition of the process, the separation of the persuasive hypnotic portion of the speech from the substance of policy.

reply to post by solo32_98


Yes, in fact, I have taken debate. I also excelled in it, but I did not use conversational hypnosis to either win or sway my opponent. Effective speaking does not require a CONSCIOUS effort to hypnotize your audience.

Conversational Hypnosis is a form of mind control. It is SO effective that even clinical psychologists that use it have to abide by a higher oath than the Hippocratic oath.

Seriously, we are talking Tavistock, MKULTRA, George Orwell stuff here. I KNOW that sounds tinfoil, but we are talking mass hypnosis and mind control. Did you even read the .pdf?

Obama has done NOTHING other than look forward to the next higher position job. He has made absolutely no stand on ANY issue, he has done NOTHING substantial regarding legislation or change, except his job position.

How can you explain the phenomena that surrounds him?

And please, don't even try the "Republicans have screwed us up" routine, because Democrats have too.
Yes we need change, I don't deny that, but the real change we need is to not vote the 2 party system at all, because they are, in reality, 2 sides of the same coin.

BTW, you still did not answer my questions

reply to post by SkipShipman


I noticed that Obama uses a technique called fractionalization. Briefly, fractionalization consists of using keywords that bring a person out of a deep trance back to full conscious awareness so that as the person falls back into a trance the trance is deeper.

NOW..

(and as I use the word now, that is pretty much what obama is doing)....

I personally also use fractionalization almost all the time. It's a simple way of not letting people fall asleep because you tend to explain things in way more detail than what is commonly accepted. It is also a convenient way to highlight a boundary between two separate concepts by using the tone and level of your voice as well as the content of your words.

In fact, I have used fractionalization since long before I knew it "existed" or even knew of NLP.

So, before you jump to conclusions that Obama uses fractionalization as part of some nefarious plan, There is something that you must realize:

A trance can be something as simple as plain boredom. And bringing someone out of a trance can be something as innocent as not boring them.

A lot of people wind up talking like that simply because they tend to talk for too long and need to maintain the focus of their audience. It is a skill that develops with the need to be a public speaker or any job that requires in depth technical communication.

On the other hand for some people it is something they learn during a sales seminar, or some other form of intense training and it tends to come as less authentic since it is not something they developed on their own.

Some tell tale signs of those people who are "less authentic" are that they may try to tell you how you feel about something (nobody but you knows your true feelings), and if this is incongruent with your true feelings you get really uncomfortable. I get this sense whenever I talk to a salesman. Some really good salesmen can gauge how you actually feel and will anticipate those feelings in an effort to build rapport. In that case you can only identify their lack of authenticity by trying to authenticate their motives. Since they are selling something, then a smart person tends to be skeptical even if the salesman happened to be 100% honest.

It is *my opinion* that Obama does tend to have a speech pattern characteristic of those who must often outline complex ideas in front of an audience with a short attention span. That his speech pattern contains some techniques that some NLP teachers promote. But since I personally talk like that sometimes and I am not trying to hypnotize anyone, I tend to believe that Obama simply fell into that way of talking and it only reflects the way he thinks and communicates.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have to admit that I tend to identify with Obama, in great part due to the way he talks.

-rrr

reply to post by redhatty


To your post I can mention a few things that allow Obama to stand out *regardless of actual merits* This is not to say that he has no merit or that he has any, simply that all things been equal he has an advantage for the following simple reasons:

1. He is taller (history shows taller candidate has an advantage)
2. He is cool as a cucumber (a person whose emotions don't appear to sway easily is perceived as a strong leader, read Primal Leadership)
3. he is younger than McCain (excessive old age is not perceived as a sign of strength or health, and since obama is in the sweet spot of age range, this gives him an advantage)
4. He does not have Sara Palin running with him and perceptions of Palin are very polarized even inside the republican party.

I am sure that this list is not comprehensive, but it is a good start. I am also certain that the words that come out of his mouth have a substantial effect (I mean, of course!) and I am pretty sure that the effect that his words have on people could be put under the scrutiny of hypnotherapy experts and be full of techniques. Whether he is consciously using them or not and whether there is a covert agenda that is not conveyed by the words themselves is another question.

NLP and hypnotherapy are not fringe stuff, pretty much anybody who has a six figure salary or higher, or who ever tried to pick up girls knows that this stuff exists and has had some minor exposure to it. Anybody in the 7 figure bracket and above has probably gone to numerous NLP and other "leadership" seminars. Of course these techniques are easily learned and applied by anyone who can shop at amazon and read.

What you have to wonder is, how come McCain is so incapable of applying the same techniques which are easily available to anyone. You would think that he has advisors that can teach him all of those techniques so that he can compete on the same level. IMHO he is just too old to learn them.

-rrr

Good lord the thread about Palin and her IQ was closed. It was closed because it was absurd. It was unfounded. It was clearly made with the intent to discredit her unfairly.

That's what this thread is!! Actually it's worse. This thread needs to be closed in accordance to the new strict policy on politics here. It needs to be closed for the same reasons the Palin one was.

Unless someone can prove this theory? Someone? Obama was trained in mind control powers, and he is using it on us.... Anyone? Proof??

This is ridiculous.

This Election has turned ATS into 6th graders fighting over who should be the captain of the kickball team.

Let's splash some cold water on our faces, grab some coffee, slap ourselves a few times, and lets try this again.

reply to post by rickyrrr


Maybe McCain is too old to learn them, maybe he has more moral scruples than to want to use them. IDK

I do not support either of the 2 party candidates, I believe that if they made it to this point (on the election ballot) then they are both pawns of the NWO.

I prefer a 3rd Party Candidate, and Ron Paul isn't even on the ballot in my state, nor do we have write ins, so I am not swayed by that crowd either.

What I do understand is that ANY effective speaker will use persuasive speech patterns, but when you have someone who repeatedly uses conversational hypnosis/NLP patterns in EVERY public encounter, then you need to ask yourself...

Am I being *suckered* here.

Mind control is wrong.

Some in this thread have argued that even hypnosis cannot make you do something that is against your will, granted, I don't deny that, but...

Voting is not against your will. The physical act of casting your vote at the ballot box is not against your will. Who you vote for may, and I say MAY, be changed by mind control programming. And you may not even remember/realize that you didn't vote for who you thought you would, all due to extremely effective conversational hypnosis.

Depending on what poll you look at there is between 8-12% of undecided voters out there. This is a VERY close race, poll results by biased media not withstanding.

The very thought that SOME people may vote for a candidate other than what their intentions were, because of hypnotic suggestion is just disgusting.

But, unfortunately, it seems it may be the reality.

Originally posted by redhatty
What I do understand is that ANY effective speaker will use persuasive speech patterns,

Exactly. Logically sound, fair, and pretty accurate.

but when you have someone who repeatedly uses conversational hypnosis/NLP patterns in EVERY public encounter, then you need to ask yourself...

Actually I think you should have stopped at 'effective speaker'. But fine, carry on...

Am I being *suckered* here.

Or are you being suckered here?

Mind control is wrong. .

Is someone mind controlling you into thinking Obama is mind controlling us!? There is as much proof of that as there is that he is mind controlling his supporters.

I notice your sig is a link to this OP's PDF

Come on deny ignorance man. It's bloody okay to not support Obama if you don't want to. Do you really have to resort to something as absurd and ignorant as this though?...

[edit on 19-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Apparently you only used the portions of my post that fit your agenda.

I am not worried about the supporters. If you are Pro-Obama nothing is going to change your mind, If you are Pro-McCain, nothing is going to change your mind.

It is the undecided that I worry about.

I am not voting for EITHER the GOP or DNC candidate.

BTW, did you even read the .pdf? I know it is long (67 pages), but it really is worth the effort.

My God you people are really scared aren't you??

You really think Obama is hypnotizing crowds in the 10s of thousands!

Is the charasmatic black voodoo doctor gonna whip you up in to an ecstatic frenzy and force you to do something you dread?
He may mesmerize you into accidently voting for him instead of McCain?

Be afraid...be very afraid...he is convincing people to vote for him! That is illegal right??

Look after the failed policies of the Bush administration for the previous 8 years capped off by the recent complete economic meltdown I was of the opinion that all any democratic candidate needed to defeat the republican candidate was a pulse.

Granted it would be extremely helpful if you were a white democrat! But to the best of my knowledge Obama does have a pulse and therefore should win in a landslide!

reply to post by redhatty


I have a couple books on NLP. Years old. I have read them all. I am familiar with it. I have read material on in it over the years on ATS even. I know it's legit. I know it's not voodoo.

But I am also aware that the OP was intentionally slanting it in a negative fashion for the sole purpose of attacking Obama. And you are as well

No?

Why not title the PDF in your sig "Master Speaker" instead then??

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Why not title the PDF in your sig "Master Speaker" instead then??

Because I do believe that conversational hypnosis is being used by Obama.

It's my sig line and I can word it the way I choose. I choose to be clear about what I think and say.

Back to my question, have you even read the 67 page .pdf?

reply to post by redhatty


Why? Do you want me to finish reading it so we can discuss it together?

I have another idea. I think it might be better for this thread

Why don't you take the best parts from it.

The parts that best represent your assertion that Obama is using 'conversation hypnosis', and not just effective speaking skills, and then post it in this thread for all of us to see.

This way we can all make some real progress here. How bout it?

Homer Simpson tries to vote for Obama



Hypnosis is not the only thing. All in good fun!







[edit on 19-10-2008 by SkipShipman]