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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:38 AM by smokingmonkey
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Obama's change is for the government to intrude more into everyone's lives, drain more tax money out of the already weak economy, and re-interpret
the Constitution.
Can you think of anything positive that the government does well? I can't, so why would you vote for a guy who is all about the government and what
it can do for you.
Learn to rely on yourself, not on handouts.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:39 AM by grover
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At this stage of the game they are grasping at straws.
Not even another terrorist attack on US soil would help the Republicans... if anything it would serve as the final denouncement of their claim that
only they can keep us safe.
In fact the only thing that might save McCain and the Republicans at this late date would be if bush endorsed Obama.  
To Smokingmonkey......... you don't know what I rely on or not. I am in favor of Obama because I don't like Republican policies.
[edit on 18-10-2008 by grover]
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:42 AM by MOFreemason
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Originally posted by smokingmonkey
reply to post by grover
Obama's change is for the government to intrude more into everyone's lives, drain more tax money out of the already weak economy, and re-interpret
the Constitution.
Can you think of anything positive that the government does well? I can't, so why would you vote for a guy who is all about the government and what
it can do for you.
Learn to rely on yourself, not on handouts.
Grover,
Your guy McCain recently stressed his $300 billion package to purchase mortgages from those that are struggling so they can stay in their house.
Doesn't sound very Republican, free-market, laissez-faire, and governmental-hands-off now does it?
The fact is, the United States of America is no longer the capitalist economy we all grew up to see and read in a textbook. Wall Street is forever
changed and the powers of the three branches have forever been altered after President Bush.
Did you not listen to the people's real arguments for urging impeachment years ago? Did you really think it was merely based on the war in Iraq?
United Socialist States of America, my friends. (That was my McCain impersonation there)
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:44 AM by grover
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:46 AM by MOFreemason
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Originally posted by grover
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You must be mistaking me for someone else McCain is NOT my guy.
I was all proud of my post and when I just reread it, I realized I stated "your guy." I didn't like that part because I had nothing to back that
part up.
I guess I'm used to debating my boss at work...sorry man. Or lady. (Trying to be careful not to presume your gender also)
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:49 AM by counterterrorist
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I skimmed through the report and I think the person who wrote it is trying to hypnotise you into thinking Obama is trying to hypnotise you ... and the
report writer was successful in hypnotising you.
Here are the obvious problems:
The report is NOT objective.
The report is used to scapegoat Obama.
What about Hitler? What about Moses? What about EVERY EFFECTIVE public speaker?
If Obama has been coached in persuasive techniques, so has McCain ... so has everyone smart enough to be coached.
I think both of them are liars because they don't crucify the Fed, or even talk about it, or even say the fed owns the banks that own the oil
companies that are hurting us.
Besides, the biggest problem with your premise is that it does not address the real issues of NWO control and death mongering.
WHO CARES if we're being hypnotised. There's nothing we can do about it. Haven't you ever heard of the corporate media?
For all we know, perhaps hypnosis is the only way to lead sheeple, anyway.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:51 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Another example of the brainwashing of Obama supporters. Skewed logic.
Girl called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt
VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- She's only 12 years old but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year.
That’s because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-shirt.
Jones is volunteering at the Republican Headquarters in New Smyrna Beach. The Palin t-shirt was a gift from her fellow volunteers.
But when she wore it to school she learned just how tough politics can be.
“Some of the students were calling me racist because I was Caucasian,” she said. “I wanted the Caucasian man to win. And I told them that’s
not true. It’s my freedom of speech, it’s my opinion.”
Jones' parents say they aren't mad at the school they just want everyone including their daughter to voice their opinion constructively.
Officials with Volusia County Schools said there were no referrals or complaints to the office about this incident.
Ashleigh said that more of her friends are expressing their views by wearing political t-shirts and she plans to wear hers again.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 09:55 AM by grover
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No problem... I am a guy BTW and so is my dog grover.  
I have no problem with McCain as a person I just don't think his policies would best serve this nation... I am not 100% pro-Obama either but I do
find myself agreeing with him more than I disagree.
AND its because I think for myself not because I've drunk spiked kool aid or have been hyponotized .... I mean talk about insulting... it presumes
that I don't know my own mind or can't make a rational decision.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 10:01 AM by Anonymous ATS
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amen to that! it's so obvious that the current events on this planet are putting in our faces a choice. a choice to either truly unite completely as
a species or continue on as we always have with boarders, enemies, the us/them mentality and band aid fixes which are tearing our mighty, mighty
'civilized' world to shreds. do we love what we look out and see? really? is this modern life, as it is, what each and every one of us really
wants? does attacking anyone, be it mccain or obama or bloggers, really feel good in the heart? is that really who we are? of course not! and of
course we all have varying perspectives on how things 'should' be. but, until it is realized that all the ideas on 'how things should be' are
nothing other than conditioned responses this existence is going to be a bumpy place to reside. do we really want change? really? because if we do,
we step into a whole new paradigm of interaction. do we have the guts to actually drop the defensive mechanisms of a perspective of separation? is
defending a position worth it? can we not react to that charge in our abdomen and let it simply burn and truly heal? this is how 'it gets
better'. this is how we evolve. but is that really what we want, to heal? i truly hope so.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 10:03 AM by MOFreemason
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Originally posted by grover
reply to post by MOFreemason
AND its because I think for myself not because I've drunk spiked kool aid or have been hyponotized .... I mean talk about insulting... it presumes
that I don't know my own mind or can't make a rational decision.
Excellent point!
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 10:27 AM by OneNationUnder
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Well, Obama's words haven't effected me in any way...but I do feel I should tell you...vote Obama...vote Obama...he is our Lord, lol.
No seriously, fantastic thread! Since I live in Chicago, I've been following him for awhile and his speech technique's have changed within the last
2 years or so. I don't know how to explain it, but I can't watch / listen to him. There's just something about him that gives me a headache.
But then there's McCain and there's something about him, too, something different though.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 10:46 AM by Venit
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You realise that nearly every single leader, political or business, of whatever disposition, will use similar techniques in order to inspire others.
Nothing to see here people, just more Obama bashing.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 10:47 AM by indigothefish
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to the poster..
you mean like neuro linguistics?
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 11:20 AM by speaknoevil07
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You are kidding right? Obama is using selected hypnosis....it is a KNOWN thing. Just research hypnosis techniques on amazon.com.....there are plenty
of ways to do it. OBAMA Is smart. Nothing wrong with it except most don't know it is occurring. I give Obama credit. As citizens we need to prepare
too. We are lazy and don't take the time to research, realize that marketing techniques are a dailey thing we see and are subjected too. Be AWARE.
These things can be used by both sides.....and other techniques too...be AWARE.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 11:20 AM by Stormdancer777
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OH man this is interesting, considering what happened last night.
Last night I was watching the travel channel,
those of you who have ever read any of my post may notice I am pretty normal, whatever that means.
Anyway there was a commercial break during the program, ghost adventures, suddenly a flash of Obama's face came across the screen, at approximately
9:40, I looked at the time because I thought this was significant, and it was not a happy smiling face, but a rather disturbing image.
Subliminal?
I stayed up as late as I could to See if it would happen again , but it never did,
This topic is very timely and significantly syncronistic for me today.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 11:26 AM by speaknoevil07
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wow that really happened....
I know I was watching the speech the other night and the channel
flickered a couple of times and during McCain's portion his words were cut out once. I figured it was just a media glitch.
I pray for our country every day.....May God help us pick the right candidate who will lead us in the way it should be.....either way God allows a
nation to go in the way it will.....somewhere it says, " if a nation will turn its heart and repent and follow me...I will bless it and hear it
prayer...."
in the Bible..
thanks for your post......I will watch closer...
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 11:29 AM by redhatty
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To the posters here who are saying... Conversational Hypnosis, SO WHAT? No big deal, I don't care, etc.
Could you please explain why you can say that?
I mean seriously. You are saying Yes, sure he is hypnotizing crowds at his rallies, and over the TV in his speeches (not debates so much though).
And "I" see nothing wrong with that. It's the way things are done, all over.
Heck, if McDonalds does subliminal messaging, they are gonna get slammed by the FCC - because it is illegal
But a rising star politician, who really has done NOTHING significant in his career except go for the next highest job position, can use techniques
that are supposed to be only for clinical professionals to hypnotize massive amounts of people, and you think it's OKAY?
I do not understand the thought processes that are behind this.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 11:50 AM by Lebowski achiever
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Look into my eyes.... Not around the eyes...into the eyes...1 2 3.. *snaps Fingers* you're under!
Now please say after me... All Politicians are trying to persuade you to vote for them. That is all that they do in a run up to an election. One uses
soothing words, the other Truthiness. None of them will be able to deliver in this climate as this economy is rotting from the inside out. It will
be a decade or more before we see some form of normalcy or, even more likely, a NWO. So brace yourself.
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reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 11:55 AM by ashamedamerican
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