So McCain says that we shouldnt be scared of Obama as president, page 8
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reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 06:05 PM by bknapple32
reply to post by bruxfain


So you are telling me Obama is inappropriate for Obama to try and win votes? Maybe the 18-24 year olds know something you dont. Maybe they know more. You are not the end all be all of thought, sir.

Seducing? i'd call it winning.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by bknapple32]


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 06:21 PM by bruxfain
Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by bruxfain


So you are telling me Obama is inappropriate for Obama to try and win votes? Maybe the 18-24 year olds know something you dont. Maybe they know more. You are not the end all be all of thought, sir.

Seducing? i'd call it winning.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by bknapple32]


If Obama is who I think he is he won't win. It's technically impossible.

A democratic system is DESIGNED to produce a REPRESENTATIVE Government. It is a process, a machine.

The only way Obama could have achieved the success that he's achieved to date is because the machine is being manipulated by someone who knows how the machine works. Fortunately for everyone their ability to interfere in our affairs will expire on Monday.

However, they'll still be able to forge voter ID cards and cast bogus votes. The man is still being used, at the very least, by frauds and cheats.

Coincidently, Monday is also the same day that the War will end. Although, many more people will have to die.

PS Isn't it strange that this website isn't discussing the on going probe of ACORN.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by bruxfain]



reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 06:22 PM by swdecord
Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by bruxfain

And 18-24 year old's shouldn't vote because they are being deceived by Obama? Last time I checked, if an 18-24 year old can die for our country, they can vote for whoever they damn well please.[edit on 11-10-2008 by bknapple32]


I have to agree with bknapple32 on the above issue...

As an aside, our military members can DIE for their country at 18, but cannot consume alcohol until they're 21...Sorry, just had to throw that one in there...

Obama is compared and likened to JFK, who the Flower Power generation embraced (Flower Power, I believe, can be compared to our current 18-24 year old population)...

And JFK was charismatic as well...And was the second youngest president in history...

However, there is an "economic crisis" in play right now, and if memory serves me, one of the theories of JFK's demise was the fact that he attempted to put the Federal Reserve out of business...

Yes, here is an article...

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.


www.john-f-kennedy.net...

Because of this article, I am further concerned about Obama being elected President, especially if he attempts to enact legislation against the Fed similar to the above to ward off the current economic crisis...

The last thing we need, at this time in history, is to lose the seated POTUS...

Why? Because, I believe, the U.S. is on the brink of losing global dominance...Is that good or bad? I don't know, because I have only experienced (lived with) U.S. global dominance during my short life...

Now, in addition to JFK, a Republican leader also met his demise by messing with the international banking empire...

The international bankers clearly disliked Lincoln after he managed to get the Congress to pass the Legal Tender Act in 1862 that empowered the US Treasury to issue paper money called "greenbacks." Lincoln needed this legislation after he declined to pay the bankers the usurious 24 - 36% interest rates they demanded on the loans he needed to fund his war with the South. With the new banking law, Lincoln was then able to print up the millions of dollars he needed which was debt and interest free. Clearly this was not what the greedy bankers wanted as they can only profit when they get their pound of flesh from financial transactions they control. Right after the war ended Lincoln was assassinated, and shortly thereafter the so-called Greenback law was rescinded, a new national banking act was passed, and all money became interesting-bearing again.


www.populistamerica.com...

Okay, some will think, "Geez, here's a "Conspiracy Theorist," but remember...there are only 400 billionaires on the Forbes list...But, there are over 6 billion people on Earth...

That means that 0.000000066% of the world's population are at the top of the income ladder...

A very scary thought...


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 06:37 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by bruxfain


There are two flaws in your assuption. One, even if fake voter registrations are put on the books, in order to vote you have to produce a valid picture ID from either your state or the federal government. Second, all elections are not decided by either democratic or republican voters. They are decided by independent voters. This country is running off the road and into a ditch. To us independents, the choice is to turn right (republican) and get into the ditch quicker or to turn left (democrat) and hopefully get back on the road. All the negative campaigning by the McCain camp has done nothing to swing us to the right. The focusing on differences in policy by the Obama camp has helped swing us to that side. Now McCain seems to get that, but I think it's too late for the right. With all the divisive rhetoric and hate speech coming from McCain rallies, it's hard to justify putting the party of hate in power again for another four years.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by JaxonRoberts]


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 07:11 PM by bruxfain
Originally posted by swdecord
bruxfain...

With all due respect, if you have not voted, then I am not sure you really have a "Voice" in U.S. politics, nor a right to criticize those who vote, or "should be able to vote" (assuming that those you criticize actually 'vote')...

I say this because I am Retired Navy and people who "voted" were the one's who sent me in harm's way...

Yes, this is true...those who vote for our Commander in Chief (i.e. President) are the one's who really send us to places like Iraq...


With all due respect, I am registered to vote, always have been. I just haven't found any candidates to be appealing enough to me to make the effort. I accept who the winner is and live my life.

I am not criticizing who young people vote for, my daughter, who will turn 18 before the election, told me she likes Obama. I don't care.

My criticism concerns Obama and his strategy for obtaining victory. A critical component of which is luring young voters who don't have a clue to what's going on this world.

Sure they send 18 year olds to fight, but they don't send 18 year olds to command brigades or determine military strategy. I feel bad that young people in this country are so obviously being used so that his dream of getting a job he is not qualified in any way to do is realized.

For the record: Obama was wrong about Iraq, he's wrong about the economy and he's wrong about what America needs. He knows this.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 08:03 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by bruxfain


Most independents are smart enough to see through the rhetoric. The Acorn debacle is a non-story as far as the Obama platform goes, and the McCain platform is basically more of the same crap that got us into this mess. I hope you are not too disappointed when McCain doesn't win, because short of a miracle, he's not going to.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 08:42 PM by bruxfain
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by bruxfain


Most independents are smart enough to see through the rhetoric. The Acorn debacle is a non-story as far as the Obama platform goes, and the McCain platform is basically more of the same crap that got us into this mess. I hope you are not too disappointed when McCain doesn't win, because short of a miracle, he's not going to.


Everything is a non-issue with Obama. He is perfect. Finally someone to save us all from the republicans.

I hope you're not too upset when your life doesn't change one bit; despite Obama's many promises.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 09:30 PM by dubiousone
reply to post by jam321

Is it really necessary to ask that question, i.e. "Why not use his middle name?" Here's the answer Oh brilliant one: Because it's a blatantly transparent act of pandering to your listeners' and readers' stupidity, ignorance, bigotry, and racism. It exposes what the person doing it is at their deepest level, as a stupid ignorant bigot and racist.

By the way, why don't we hear those clever little right wing Goebbelesque propagandists use John McCain's, Cindy McCain's, Sarah Palin's, or Joe Biden's middle names? That they don't use anyone else's middle name just shines a bright spot light on the disingenuity of emphasizing Barak's.

And when you say about this practice what you said in your post, it's such a blatant lie that it displays a deep disrespect and contempt for the intellect of the other members of this forum.

Anyone who takes Barak's middle name of Hussein to mean anything but "handsome" or "beautiful", which is what "Hussein" means in arabic, is nothing but a stupid ignorant bigotted racist.

Take a deep breath and examine your soul. That's the first step to correcting yourself and getting back onto an honest path.

[edit on 10/11/2008 by dubiousone]


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 09:41 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by bruxfain


No, he is not perfect, no one is. Neither is McCain. I don't see anyone bringing up his first wife. Now there's a story for you, but it makes no difference to me either. His proposals do, however. And his latest one concerning buying up all the bad mortgages with taxpayer money is outrageous! His tax plan- Bad! His healthcare plan- Bad! His Iraqi war plan- Bad! His campaigns rhetoric- Bad! Hmm, doesn't seem like a hard choice.


reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 12:02 PM by bknapple32
reply to post by bruxfain


What don't you understand about when he was named, Saddam Hussein was not some evil dictator. They were not naming him after some evil person. Naming him Hitler AFTER WW2 is odd. But they named him Hussein BEFORE the name became infamous. So it shouldn't even be threatening if you look at it from a logistical perspective.


reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 12:39 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by bruxfain


That has to be the weakest arguement ever. By your claim, McCain is also a socialist. Did it ever occur to you that someone might seek the job because they actually care about the future of this nation? I think that is the case for both candidates. McCain made his statement about a possible Obama Presidency because it is true. Obama is a Constitutional Lawyer, and due to his high ranking in his class at Harvard and being the President of the Harvard Law Review, he could have chosen a high paying position at any Wall Street Law Firm. Instead he chose to serve his fellow citizens to improve this country. You are just spewing hate speak and not making any real arguement as to why he would make a bad President.
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