Here is what SHOULD be done:

Take both candidates words- their ads, debates, ect- and put them all into a one place. Let people flip thru each one, and see what was said, HOW it was said, and let the truth dig itself out, instead of using the Media terrorists and second, third, fourth, "my-mother's-friendtold hersister'shairdresser'sboyfriendsthirduncle that...." hand sources.

Some of the problems are coming from the media purposely muddying the water for whatever agenda they have.

We shouldn't be. He is not an Arab or a Muslim (and even if he were it means nothing, just because you are either an Arab or Muslim doesn't mean you are going to automatically sell us out to terrorists) nor is he anywhere near as liberal as the right makes him out to be.

The hysterics that have been displayed during this election cycle are simply amazing and does absolutely nothing for the dialogue that we need to be having.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by grover]

Originally posted by YourNuts
George Bush=evil John McCain=desperate Barrack Obama=Best chance we have Ron Paul=My hero

George Bush= not running this time
John McCain = a mess and won't win
Barrack Obama = Jimmy Carter II
Ron Paul = Endorsed Baldwin/Constitution Party

(and that's who I'm voting for! Baldwin )

Not only is the entire incident instructive, but one needs only to look at some of the posts in this thread to see clearly why this country is in the turmoil it finds itself.



When we have finally arrived at a point where no one is EVER given the benefit of the doubt, we might as well bend over and kiss our asses goodbye, because the prospect of mending our differences in this country will be nothing more than pure fantasy.

Grow up people or lose our country.





Plain.

Simple.

Originally posted by grover
We shouldn't be. He is not an Arab or a Muslim (and even if he were it means nothing, just because you are either an Arab or Muslim doesn't mean you are going to automatically sell us out to terrorists) nor is he anywhere near as liberal as the right makes him out to be.

The hysterics that have been displayed during this election cycle are simply amazing and does absolutely nothing for the dialogue that we need to be having.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by grover]

Exactly

Anyway most muslims are not arab,(as you probably know ) there are many pakistanis, indians, somalians etc who are not Arab.

By the way Indonesia has the worlds biggest population of Muslims.

"The world's fourth most populous country has the largest population of Muslims. Approximately 87% of Indonesia's population are Muslims, so with a population of 216 million, Indonesia is home to approximately 188 million Muslims. The religion of Islam spread to Indonesia during the Middle Ages."

I'm not saying you think like this, I'm just reminding other people that Arabs are not the only muslims .



[edit on 11-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by YourNuts
George Bush=evil John McCain=desperate Barrack Obama=Best chance we have Ron Paul=My hero

George Bush= not running this time
John McCain = a mess and won't win
Barrack Obama = Jimmy Carter II
Ron Paul = Endorsed Baldwin/Constitution Party

(and that's who I'm voting for! Baldwin )

I agree with most of Baldwin's views on the issues. However since both he and his running mate are ministers I tend to believe he is a bit anti gay. That doesn't sit well with me in the 21st century. If I thought he had a chance of wining I would still vote for him simply because of his views about keeping US military here in this country. And I especially like the lock down of the SW border. These are all important issue with me.

I am sure everyone here would hate me if they knew that (1) I am in the military (2) I am indeed a homogay (3) I plan on applying to the Department of Homeland Security for the position of Border Patrol Agent

Good thing none of you know that

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Barack Obama is not a terrorist. He is at worst an idealistic, inexperienced true democrat who took a chance to step into the spotlight and gained popularity by representing (both idealistically and physically) the juxtaposition a growing majority of this country are looking for after 8 years of growing disdain for the American government both internally and externally. In short he is a rock star in a time of growing revolution.

Both candidates are now facing the major undertaking of fixing some of the worst problems this country/world has ever faced. This includes the global economy crisis, broken foreign relations and increased global tension, and climate change. I for one am nervous about either of these men taking office. If not for Obama's lack of experience and idealism, then for McCain's "business as usual".

But the McCain campaign has been an utterly desperate one. The choice of Palin, the floundering on the economy as it enters the forefront of issues, and this weak, last minute press on the Ayers connection are signs of that. The fact that Obama is taking up the swing states and even questioning whether solid red states like North Carolina could possibly swing is enough to show you how badly the McCain campaign is going. I live in NY, and you can bet your hat Obama will get his 31 votes, New York has gone blue every election since 1984 and the buzz around town is Obama is the obvious choice.

Eventhough he doesn't need it, this is why Obama is getting my vote:

Look at the facts. Obama wants to invest in green technologies, renewable energies. This is not just good for our climate and our souls, but it's good for our economy as well. If we can create a new system based on the mix of different renewable energies and cut significantly our dependence on foreign oil, we can set the example for the world. This is what has made America a land of hope and a guiding light for the world in the past.

A Green America is the key to creating new jobs by stimulating growth in this industry, renewing our standing in the world and actually tackling this climate issue instead of talking about it. John McCain wants us to cut emissions an invest a bit more into nuclear power. This is simply not enough. We need a new system. This one element alone is enough to give Obama your vote. Perhaps it is time for a bit of idealism.