I started out getting to this thread, excited to engage in conversation about the topic. Read til the 3rd page, and then got disgusted.

Funny the point the OP was trying to ask about was spot on. Apparently some simply saw the title, and decided to jump into the thread feeling offended and as if this thread and the questions inside's mere existence threatened and persecuted their own existence.

Amazing how some of certain religions see theirs mentioned, and immediately decide they will jump in on the offensive, no matter what the topic is about.

I will never have respect for such belief systems.

Originally posted by LostNemesis
I started out getting to this thread, excited to engage in conversation about the topic. Read til the 3rd page, and then got disgusted.

Funny the point the OP was trying to ask about was spot on. Apparently some simply saw the title, and decided to jump into the thread feeling offended and as if this thread and the questions inside's mere existence threatened and persecuted their own existence.

Amazing how some of certain religions see theirs mentioned, and immediately decide they will jump in on the offensive, no matter what the topic is about.

I will never have respect for such belief systems.

That's one of the reasons I left the church. If you have anything to say that threatens their belief in any way, you are savagely attacked and verbally "crucified". No matter how logical your argument is, the mob wants your head on a platter and will stop at nothing to get it. "Christ-like"?
Makes me want to run far, far away from whichever "Christ" they follow.

Not very good "soul winners", but wait, the Bible covered that statement by saying to "dust off your sneakers" at anyone who doesn't want anything to do with your violent religion.


(just kidding about the "sneakers", I know they really wore flip-flops)

Originally posted by newagent89
Christians are persecuted everyday but not in the form that some would like to believe. A Christian might be persecuted when they are ridiculed for sticking up for something that is morally right...
(posters: do not bring up homosexuality and the evangelicals, that has nothing to do with my point).

Many people who are NOT Christians have the same moral values. I teach my own children not to pollute their mind as well as their bodies. I teach them to behave in school and to treat others as they want to be treated. I teach them not to do drugs...etc.
If they get persecuted for that, should they say "I'm being persecuted because I'm a Mommian! I was only obeying the rules of Mom and I'm suffering for it, whoa is me..."

...They [Christians or other moralists] might be persecuted at the workplace or at school for not going along with making fun of someone. Or refusing to drink or use drugs. It's in sticking up for what is right that Christians find themselves persecuted not some super duper Antichrist.

It's in verbalizing that every human being has inherent worth and dignity. It's in helping out the little guy that we encounter mundane and yet challenging persecution. Yes, Christians were violently persecuted in the past but those days are through for now. At this time, Christians encounter everyday struggles against what is wrong, not events of epic proportions. Still, some Christians want that epic struggle because they want to feel special and in the know.

I believe in Karma. I believe what goes around comes around. I do NOT believe that people are truly persecuted here in America JUST for being a Christian. But if the ones who claim persecution are anything like the rude posters on this topic, I wouldn't doubt the REAL reason for their "persecution" is none other than their own attitude towards their fellow mankind(who happen to not believe as they do).

ps: I would tend not to take Hitler too seriously.

I'm not sure what you meant by this but it makes no logical sense no matter how I try to factor it into this thread's conversation.


[edit on 7-10-2008 by mmariebored]

you know what's funny? How everyone (including myself) comes in with their little comments to defend or put on a pedestal, their ways or beliefs. Well here's a little reality.

For starters, most people aren't Christians. I am a believer of C hrist's ways. To be a Christian, one must walk in the footsteps of Christ and live his teachings. Show me one who is or has and I will show you Christ himself.

We are all guilty in every race or religion of this very same thing which we discuss, so lets not even try to generalize. Not a single one of us is perfect or close to it. We're all HYPOCRITES. Yes me to.

This unfortunately is the REASON why humanity will NEVER live in harmony. We can't put aside our differences and I suppose ( justt my guess) that this is why GOD, nature (or whatever you want to call it) originally put us in different parts of the world for. Unfortunately man feels the need to CONQUER everything. We by nature are a destructive force and revert back to nothing more than a caveman with primitive instincts when attacked. Fact is we all need to grow up, but ubfortunately the world will only get worse and more immoral by the day.

Originally posted by AshleyD


There is also a reason why that thread lasted as long as it did. See if you can figure out why.

[edit on 10/7/2008 by AshleyD]

Who cares? So now making a topic on here is a competition?
I, personally, just wanted some feedback on some contemplations...
I'm very happy with the results.

TY peoples!

To respone to the topic and what we are talking right now.

First I like to say I disagree with the statement completely. Maybe you should do a search on christian news. China for instances has persecutation all over. People getting thrown in jail, just for reading and spreading the word. Asia people like muslims trying to beat down and rap child just for their beliefs. Iran is exicuting deaths to those who just preach the word.

The problem is its not at its worst. Plus Satan comes in many ways.
But in anycase here in amercia we get it so easy. We can do whatever we want and believe in whatever we want. And someone does'nt come to my door to rap or kill me. Or throw me out of my church or told what my beliefs are.

But its not so easy in the middle east. People are dieing for the word. People are being move from homelands because they are not able to believe where they began at. Remember God blesses us. But he does'nt bless everbody equally.

Percutation is out their, and its comes in all forms. even in our very our government. God bless.

[edit on 7-10-2008 by slymattb]

Originally posted by mmariebored
Who cares? So now making a topic on here is a competition?

No, not a competition. More like a very clear difference between Christians admitting what happened in history in this thread (which wasn't even supposed to be the topic but no CIR thread would be complete without bringing up the inquisitions, witch trials, and crusades) while in that thread the atheists tried to downplay, justify, skirt, and ignore the atrocities of secular and atheistic regimes. More like a sad contrast instead of a competition.

I'm very happy with the results.

Oh, I'm sure you are.

On my end, the posts scared the hell out me.

[edit on 10/7/2008 by AshleyD]

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