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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:49 PM by mmariebored

Originally posted by 19DCW71
...I only have a 9th grade education. I never implied that My experience was related to scholastic issues. Real life issues.

Daeoeste has on his/her siggy a very true quote from Mark Twain:
''I never let schooling interfere with my education."

I'd say you seem like a pretty smart guy and the only one judging your "education" seems to be you. You should knock that off.

THIS THREAD IS BASED ON MY QUOTE.

It's a topic I've always found intriguing, your quote was merely the opening line, thank you for that and, again, I apologize if I misquoted you.
The reason I'm thanking you is that I've learned some things I was not aware of on this thread and I love learning.

...little STAR...

I gave your posts stars too(just to let you know).

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:02 PM by 19DCW71

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

I'm not complaining about persecution or being a victim. I have dealt with more in a year than you will in a liftime or could ever handle. Am I crying or a victim.

You want an example of persecution? Right now I'm facing 15 years in prison for an alleged assault I never committed. Am I crying or feeling sorry for myself? No I'm more pissed that I have to spend $15,000 (i don't have) on a lawyer against this nonsense.

Want another example of persecution.Here it is.

I'm far from perfect and have made many mistakes in my life, but don't sit here and try to make people think "I feel like a victim or feel sorry for myself".

Fact is I have suffered persecution and scenarios you would die to be in. Nice to be typing comments on a scree( yeah i'm doing it to) but honestly, you and all the TALKERS couldn't or don't even have the slightest clue how to deal with persecution and real life situations.

America has produced people of your stature. Nothing wrong with an education but everyone's a pansy and lacks common sense. Nice to have mommy and daddy pay for college so I can get a cushy little job and be like the rest of the corrupt people voicing their menial opinions while other people do the dirty work.

fact is I was never handed nothing and will handle ANY situation EVER come my way. When you walked in my shoes, than have a comment. Not your little college debate team tactics. OK.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:10 PM by 19DCW71

Originally posted by mmariebored

Daeoeste has on his/her siggy a very true quote from Mark Twain:
''I never let schooling interfere with my education."

I'd say you seem like a pretty smart guy and the only one judging your "education" seems to be you. You should knock that off.

Believe me, I don't judge myself on that. I have a lot of common sense, which in itself is worth more than a sholastic education anyday. besides with the help of the internet as you state in this post

I've learned some things I was not aware of on this thread and I love learning.

I continually try to educate myself on ANYTHING I can.

I apologize if I misquoted you.

No problem and I apologize if I have offended you in any way.

I gave your posts stars too(just to let you know).

LOL

and one for you. Thanks.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:16 PM by 19DCW71

I'm off for the night. Have to take the children to school in the morning. Goodnight everyone and GOD BLESS. Peace out.

19DCW71

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:18 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by 19DCW71

I have dealt with more in a year than you will in a liftime or could ever handle

You like making assumptions about people don’t you?

I'm far from perfect and have made many mistakes in my life, but don't sit here and try to make people think "I feel like a victim or feel sorry for myself".

If it quacks like a duck... I’m just calling it like I see it.

you and all the TALKERS

True I don’t do as much as I would like to because I’m busy finishing school and building a career, however I do what I can, join organizations I donate money to and supply volunteer work for. Sign petitions, dress up in idiot- over sized t-shirts and approach people for these causes. It might not be much but I do what I can with out putting my life on hold.

America has produced people of your stature. Nothing wrong with an education but everyone's a pansy and lacks common sense.

Do you call everyone who disagrees with you a pansy who lacks common sense?

Nice to have mommy and daddy pay for college so I can get a cushy little job and be like the rest of the corrupt people voicing their menial opinions while other people do the dirty work.

How unfortunate I had a parent who loved me enough to work hard for years so I could have everything they don’t. By the way that parent now has suffered a lot because of their schizophrenia, I take care of them now, so I know about how hard and depressing life is. I just don’t plan to spill my guts out to random people over the internet so I’m done with you and these off topic post that make me the bad guy and you a victim just because my life may not be as hard as yours.

fact is I was never handed nothing and will handle ANY situation EVER come my way. When you walked in my shoes, than have a comment. Not your little college debate team tactics. OK.

I’m not on a debate team; people always get pissed when I kick their ass with logic, reason, and facts, and expect them to defend and explain their own statements coherently. They also get pretty rude and go down the road of personal attacks and off topic whining that has nothing to do with anything but them wanting to hear the sound of their own voices. Sound familiar. Have a nice life.

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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:38 PM by Clearskies

Originally posted by mmariebored
Really? Roman Catholics are not Christians?

Please explain "in the Biblical sense".

I didn't say catholics aren't Christians, did I?

There are MANY who are followers of Christ, but, the same church killed millions (or more)of my faith, protestant.
The 'holy' church turned the true gospel into filthy lucre and bloodlust for DOMINION over the globe for the Popes!
Jesus overturned the money-changers tables in the Temple, because of their fallacious 'traditions'!

Adherence to Jesus is IN SPITE OF church dogmas. The sacraments, and membership.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:39 PM by EricD

reply to post by mmariebored

You claim that the greatest persecution against Christians historically has been by Christians.

Let me state up front and very clearly that I'm not sure about this, but I'm fairly certain that more Christians were persecuted by the likes of Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Hitler than by other Christians.

Again, I don't have the statistics and would be very interested in seeing them if anyone has them handy.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:41 PM by EricD

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Religious people are often persecutors, not the persecuted. They are influenced to be hypocritical, and despite all the blatant hypocrisy and contradictions they don’t seem to recognize it or care.

Can you define 'often'?

It has not been my experience that religious people often persecute others.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:47 PM by EricD

reply to post by NorthWolfe CND

Thank you. I should have been more clear. I understand that statistically most people in the German states would be classified as Christians (or at least they would call themselves such).

I didn't understand the relevance.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:49 PM by Clearskies

Originally posted by daeoeste
Ok.First things first friend.I do know that christians are a minority in all of these countries,

Yes? Why is that?
It isn't because if you announce to someone you're a Christian and they 'tattle' on you, that you may find yourself doused in gasoline and set ablaze or run over with a steamroller?
Because, I THINK these countries hate the spread of the gospel.

and speaking specifically about Sudan and Egypt,women are the most persecuted members of the population,NOT Christians.

Women, huh?
I suppose you think it would be better to be killed by a machete or have your limbs cut off, than be taken as a slave? Hmmm,... which is worse?
Because that's a more than likely scenario for men in these islamic countries.

And there are many sects of Christianity who would treat women the same way if it was not illegal due to SECULAR law.

What? Mormons? ?????

As far as North Korea,Citizens themselves are the persecuted.

ANYONE who won't bow down to Kim il sung would (probably)be on the chopping block and who is more likely than a Christian, who is told NOT TO bow down to idols?
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo?

groups cook numbers to pull on the heartstrings of their "flock"(such a fitting phrase)to use the emotion of guilt to give them more money.Look it up,please....

Please, give me a link, as it is late and I have much to do.

As far as my second statement,look up Cartesian common sense and you MIGHT be able to see what I mean.

I'll do that.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:50 PM by EricD

Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND

No religion, or ideology, as a worst track record, in that field, then Christianity...

I would suggest that you read the Black Book of Communism. You can get it on Amazon.

The atrocities listed there dwarf both the actual crimes committed by those claiming to be Christians and the imagined crimes committed by those labeled as Christians.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:51 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by EricD

atheism.about.com...

Here is a link that goes over a history of Christianity involved with persecution and violence. That links to many articles that go into this issue in detail. The information on Christians and Catholics involved with the persecution of wiccans and women assumed to be witches is especially sickening to me, though it is not the worst offense carried out in the names of those religions.

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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:55 PM by mmariebored

Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND
reply to post by EricD

Just a statistical certainty:

- ~70% of Bavarians where, and are, Catholic, ~20% where Protestant; the NSDAT was born in Bavaria, and this was the first German State they managed to win...

- ~80% of the Citizens of other German States, Prussia, Saxony, Ruhr etc, where Protestants...

Thus, if we remove the executed, Jews, Gypsy's, and people with deformities, we see that almost all the executioners where either Christians, or brought up as Christians...

I didn't know this was such a big mystery, being Germany one of the most Christianized countries of Europe, and home of the Protestant Reform...

I hope this clears some peoples questions regarding Christians persecuting their own, because I was under the impression that the word "Christian" covered a whole lot of denominations, each of which believes they are the "true" Christians Jesus calls his own.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:07 PM by EricD

Originally posted by mmariebored
And why would I cry to a Christian? Christians formed angry mobs and set fire to over 200,000 women who they feared were witches just for having freckles on their bodies.

To preempt any straw man arguments, the actions taken against those that were perceived to be witches were horrific and can't be condoned.

Moving on:

Can you provide some links for that claim? From what I have read, there were between 50,000 and 100,000 killed. Many of them by hanging, 25% of them were men.

Again I AM NOT CONDONING THESE ACTIONS. If you have better information than I do I would like to see it.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:12 PM by EricD

Originally posted by Clearskies

Hitler was ROMAN CATHOLIC.

Hitler was not Roman Catholic. There is an extensive thread on this in Below Top Secret. I believe that he was baptized as a Catholic but he by no means remained one. As a matter of fact he started and was the titular head of a protestant german church.

My memory is a bit fuzzy on the details, but if anyone is curious about the facts I'll dig out the actual facts.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:19 PM by EricD

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

Thank you.

From your response I'm going to assume that we are going to differ on what the definition of 'often' is.

Eric

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:21 PM by mmariebored

Originally posted by EricD

Originally posted by mmariebored
And why would I cry to a Christian? Christians formed angry mobs and set fire to over 200,000 women who they feared were witches just for having freckles on their bodies.

To preempt any straw man arguments, the actions taken against those that were perceived to be witches were horrific and can't be condoned.

Moving on:

Can you provide some links for that claim? From what I have read, there were between 50,000 and 100,000 killed. Many of them by hanging, 25% of them were men.

Again I AM NOT CONDONING THESE ACTIONS. If you have better information than I do I would like to see it.

Eric

See, there you go calling my arguments "straw" and insulting them as though yours are so much more relevant and factually correct than mine.
That's how all you "christians" play, like children in a school. Talk about the kettle black...

Allow me some time and I'll dig up the history you requested, I'm a little busy ATM.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:21 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by EricD

One definition of often is: over and over again.

The link I gave you addresses Christianity being involved with persecution through out history and in modern society. Christianity and persecution go hand in hand fluently.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:27 PM by Clearskies

reply to post by EricD

Well, it seems the RCC didn't listen to Mussolini, when he called for the excommunication of hitler.
The BBC

It is not clear if the Church ever seriously considered excommunicating Hitler.

The Vatican archives relating to pre-war Germany were opened in a bid to counter charges that the Vatican did not do enough to prevent the Holocaust.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:30 PM by EricD

Originally posted by mmariebored

See, there you go calling my arguments "straw" and insulting them as though yours are so much more relevant and factually correct than mine.
That's how all you "christians" play, like children in a school. Talk about the kettle black...

Allow me some time and I'll dig up the history you requested, I'm a little busy ATM.

Wow. Defensive much? I think that I've been pretty civil here. I didn't call your arguments anything.

I stated up front that I certainly don't condone the actions that were taken against those that were thought to be practicing witchcraft so that someone wouldn't at a later time accuse me of minimizing those atrocities because I was asking for validation of the numbers.

Eric