Persecution or Imagination

Daeoeste has on his/her siggy a very true quote from Mark Twain:
''I never let schooling interfere with my education."

I'd say you seem like a pretty smart guy and the only one judging your "education" seems to be you. You should knock that off.

It's a topic I've always found intriguing, your quote was merely the opening line, thank you for that and, again, I apologize if I misquoted you.
The reason I'm thanking you is that I've learned some things I was not aware of on this thread and I love learning.


I gave your posts stars too(just to let you know).

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

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I'm not complaining about persecution or being a victim. I have dealt with more in a year than you will in a liftime or could ever handle. Am I crying or a victim.

You want an example of persecution? Right now I'm facing 15 years in prison for an alleged assault I never committed. Am I crying or feeling sorry for myself? No I'm more pissed that I have to spend $15,000 (i don't have) on a lawyer against this nonsense.

Want another example of persecution.Here it is.

I'm far from perfect and have made many mistakes in my life, but don't sit here and try to make people think "I feel like a victim or feel sorry for myself".

Fact is I have suffered persecution and scenarios you would die to be in. Nice to be typing comments on a scree( yeah i'm doing it to) but honestly, you and all the TALKERS couldn't or don't even have the slightest clue how to deal with persecution and real life situations.

America has produced people of your stature. Nothing wrong with an education but everyone's a pansy and lacks common sense. Nice to have mommy and daddy pay for college so I can get a cushy little job and be like the rest of the corrupt people voicing their menial opinions while other people do the dirty work.

fact is I was never handed nothing and will handle ANY situation EVER come my way. When you walked in my shoes, than have a comment. Not your little college debate team tactics. OK.

Believe me, I don't judge myself on that. I have a lot of common sense, which in itself is worth more than a sholastic education anyday. besides with the help of the internet as you state in this post

I continually try to educate myself on ANYTHING I can.


No problem and I apologize if I have offended you in any way.



LOL and one for you. Thanks.

I'm off for the night. Have to take the children to school in the morning. Goodnight everyone and GOD BLESS. Peace out.

19DCW71

reply to post by 19DCW71

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I have dealt with more in a year than you will in a liftime or could ever handle

You like making assumptions about people don’t you?

I'm far from perfect and have made many mistakes in my life, but don't sit here and try to make people think "I feel like a victim or feel sorry for myself".

If it quacks like a duck... I’m just calling it like I see it.

you and all the TALKERS

True I don’t do as much as I would like to because I’m busy finishing school and building a career, however I do what I can, join organizations I donate money to and supply volunteer work for. Sign petitions, dress up in idiot- over sized t-shirts and approach people for these causes. It might not be much but I do what I can with out putting my life on hold.

America has produced people of your stature. Nothing wrong with an education but everyone's a pansy and lacks common sense.

Do you call everyone who disagrees with you a pansy who lacks common sense?

Nice to have mommy and daddy pay for college so I can get a cushy little job and be like the rest of the corrupt people voicing their menial opinions while other people do the dirty work.

How unfortunate I had a parent who loved me enough to work hard for years so I could have everything they don’t. By the way that parent now has suffered a lot because of their schizophrenia, I take care of them now, so I know about how hard and depressing life is. I just don’t plan to spill my guts out to random people over the internet so I’m done with you and these off topic post that make me the bad guy and you a victim just because my life may not be as hard as yours.

fact is I was never handed nothing and will handle ANY situation EVER come my way. When you walked in my shoes, than have a comment. Not your little college debate team tactics. OK.

I’m not on a debate team; people always get pissed when I kick their ass with logic, reason, and facts, and expect them to defend and explain their own statements coherently. They also get pretty rude and go down the road of personal attacks and off topic whining that has nothing to do with anything but them wanting to hear the sound of their own voices. Sound familiar. Have a nice life.



[edit on 6-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

I didn't say catholics aren't Christians, did I?

There are MANY who are followers of Christ, but, the same church killed millions (or more)of my faith, protestant.
The 'holy' church turned the true gospel into filthy lucre and bloodlust for DOMINION over the globe for the Popes!
Jesus overturned the money-changers tables in the Temple, because of their fallacious 'traditions'!

Adherence to Jesus is IN SPITE OF church dogmas. The sacraments, and membership.

reply to post by mmariebored

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You claim that the greatest persecution against Christians historically has been by Christians.

Let me state up front and very clearly that I'm not sure about this, but I'm fairly certain that more Christians were persecuted by the likes of Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Hitler than by other Christians.

Again, I don't have the statistics and would be very interested in seeing them if anyone has them handy.

Eric

Can you define 'often'?

It has not been my experience that religious people often persecute others.

Eric

reply to post by NorthWolfe CND

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Thank you. I should have been more clear. I understand that statistically most people in the German states would be classified as Christians (or at least they would call themselves such).

I didn't understand the relevance.

Eric

Yes? Why is that?
It isn't because if you announce to someone you're a Christian and they 'tattle' on you, that you may find yourself doused in gasoline and set ablaze or run over with a steamroller?
Because, I THINK these countries hate the spread of the gospel.



Women, huh?
I suppose you think it would be better to be killed by a machete or have your limbs cut off, than be taken as a slave? Hmmm,... which is worse?
Because that's a more than likely scenario for men in these islamic countries.




What? Mormons? ?????

ANYONE who won't bow down to Kim il sung would (probably)be on the chopping block and who is more likely than a Christian, who is told NOT TO bow down to idols?
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo?



Please, give me a link, as it is late and I have much to do.



I'll do that.

I would suggest that you read the Black Book of Communism. You can get it on Amazon.

The atrocities listed there dwarf both the actual crimes committed by those claiming to be Christians and the imagined crimes committed by those labeled as Christians.

Eric

reply to post by EricD

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atheism.about.com...



Here is a link that goes over a history of Christianity involved with persecution and violence. That links to many articles that go into this issue in detail. The information on Christians and Catholics involved with the persecution of wiccans and women assumed to be witches is especially sickening to me, though it is not the worst offense carried out in the names of those religions.


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I hope this clears some peoples questions regarding Christians persecuting their own, because I was under the impression that the word "Christian" covered a whole lot of denominations, each of which believes they are the "true" Christians Jesus calls his own.

To preempt any straw man arguments, the actions taken against those that were perceived to be witches were horrific and can't be condoned.

Moving on:

Can you provide some links for that claim? From what I have read, there were between 50,000 and 100,000 killed. Many of them by hanging, 25% of them were men.

Again I AM NOT CONDONING THESE ACTIONS. If you have better information than I do I would like to see it.

Eric

Hitler was not Roman Catholic. There is an extensive thread on this in Below Top Secret. I believe that he was baptized as a Catholic but he by no means remained one. As a matter of fact he started and was the titular head of a protestant german church.

My memory is a bit fuzzy on the details, but if anyone is curious about the facts I'll dig out the actual facts.

Eric

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

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Thank you.

From your response I'm going to assume that we are going to differ on what the definition of 'often' is.

Eric

See, there you go calling my arguments "straw" and insulting them as though yours are so much more relevant and factually correct than mine.
That's how all you "christians" play, like children in a school. Talk about the kettle black...

Allow me some time and I'll dig up the history you requested, I'm a little busy ATM.

reply to post by EricD

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One definition of often is: over and over again.

The link I gave you addresses Christianity being involved with persecution through out history and in modern society. Christianity and persecution go hand in hand fluently.

reply to post by EricD

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Well, it seems the RCC didn't listen to Mussolini, when he called for the excommunication of hitler.
The BBC

Wow. Defensive much? I think that I've been pretty civil here. I didn't call your arguments anything.

I stated up front that I certainly don't condone the actions that were taken against those that were thought to be practicing witchcraft so that someone wouldn't at a later time accuse me of minimizing those atrocities because I was asking for validation of the numbers.

Eric