So... Who's Going to Join the Zeitgeist Movement??

reply to post by Rufuz


good because it's not just the us that has to make a stand... and btw i love your signature

I am posting the following as my first post on TheZeitgeistMovement when it's up, but you guys can read it ahead of time. Basically a personal reflection of how watching Addendum has changed me, and what I think the best plan forward for the movement to move towards a resource-based economy is:

Post-Addendum Reflections & Planning, by Yarcofin

for those who say that they will not join a movement because it is something else to be controlled by, or something "higher than their own free will":

The only way for us to affect change is for a movement of a group of people with a common goal. The ONLY thing that can really change this world is if enough people move in the same direction with enough speed and determination that the existing institutions cannot stop it, or have no choice but to capitulate and join the movement or be overtaken by it.

We do not have a great deal of time; the day is coming where people will be restricted from assembly, communication, and freedom of expression to the point where it is impossible to create an effective movement. One by one, the organizers and nexus points of a movement will be stifled under labels such as terrorists (or just whisked away) before anything with critical mass can accumulate.

We are somewhere near a critical fork in the road to the future - an extreme version of what we have now, where wealth is concentrated in an elite class, and the only other class of people are poor, or, a more utopian future where we are a unified population working towards the good of all.

I hope we are not past it, or we manage to have the strength to pull the steering wheel the correct way before we get on the wrong path.

reply to post by newagent89


Which part are you referring to? All of them? Just the religious aspect? 9-11? The Feds, INF? Which part?


Cool Yarcofin I will check out your thread I love your avatar btw!


[edit on 6-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Yes i'm joining the movement. I've watched the movie seven times now...amazing.

i will be joining this cause, as it is a hope for a new generation

reply to post by Shocka


I must admit I did like the video, and it brought me to a higher understanding of things.. Yet this is part of the cycle of thought!
Some things open our eyes, and bring us to new states of mental awareness!

However I can not say I belive in this Venus project.
That is taking one system and replacing it with another system of control.

I do not think the Venus project is within reason right now.
It sounds wonderful and great from the outside.. Yet I am not a drone, and I refuse to be part of something that is set up such as that.

That would in essence turn us all into drones. To become part of a system of control..
No I think much work needs to be done with the current system we have.
It can be reformed.. But its going to need a total change of energy and people!

I do highly suggest this video to all my friends and family.. However the Venus project is something that doesnt sit well with me.
As it sounds to good to be true..
And I trust my heart on that.. I know you can not BS a BS'er..
And if something sounds to good to be true.. It more than likely is just that.

Has anybody seen this vid "In Its Image"?
video.google.com...#

[edit on 7-10-2008 by red_leader]

I will definitely join the Zeitgeist movement. I feel like my whole life has been leading up to Oct. 10th.

Although if it's just a movement that talks about stuff I will be very disappointed as I am looking forward to taking action.

Originally posted by zysin5
Yet I am not a drone, and I refuse to be part of something that is set up such as that.

I have heard others make that assessment about this film, or at least the later parts of it. Can you elaborate on what aspects of their idea makes you feel that way? That you would be a drone.

I myself have always leaned more towards communism and socialism. Yes I openly admit that. So maybe I didn't necessarily get that drone vibe because of that. I dunno. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

I have an idea to spread the message. Why don't we use the same weapon that is used against us? Just print "thezeitgeistmovement.com" on every piece of paper currency you get your hands on. If everyone did this it would only be a matter of time before these bills were circulated everywhere. Just an idea but it would be a very cheap effective and broad based way of spreading the message. Old people, young people, white, black, all religions, what better way to spread it then with something that everyone uses. As for the movement, I'll join. I dont have to agree with everything to know a good thing when i see it. the system today can be replaced. Something better for everyone. Sounds good, we've never had it but I think we can quit being cavemen and become human. Truly become civilized.

The Addendum touched on several things that I have thought about since I was a child, like the completely artificial concept of money. Many people regard the tenets of free market capitalism as if they were the immutable laws of physics. The reality is it's just a mental construct invented by humans and this world could be organized differently if enough people believed strongly enough in the virtues of a better way. Change begins with a vision. Personally, I would welcome a system as described by the Venus Project.

The point we are at now as a civilization and a society has been a long slow evolution and to move towards a new set of organizing principals will take generations and deep commitment. The global economic crisis represents a window of opportunity where people may be open to considering new ideas. Indeed, many of us will be forced to greater levels of cooperation just to get by. My main concern is the suffering that will happen to the masses as our current system implodes. A smooth non-violent transition would be the way to go, but history would seem to argue against that scenario.

After watching the movie I was really impressed, it's even better than the previous one. I will definitely be a part of this movement. Everything makes sense, it always did, but it was just difficult to name it. I do hope it becomes big, it deserves it, too much bull# going on for too long...

I dont think what the venus project is about can be related to communism or socialism because those mainly can be seen as schemes on the distribution of power, if you see it from a resource view perspective. The venus Project is about all of the kinds of resources that are available on the planet and power, meant as the faculty of having someone act following your own will, is just one of them.

The venus project starts from one consideration, that the technology that can solve the problem of scarcity is already available in some fields, first of all energy but that it is not used because the system prevents itself from change. In fact the free production of energy involving no payout for the user, nor money neither objects, is something that would make collapse the great majority of the lobbies now in charge of administering it, oil companies at the top of it. And, as its pointed out, scarcity is a problem that is cultivated by the professionals of the respective sector in some cases, see the destruction of diamonds but also food, oranges in italy for example, too keep profits on wanted levels.

What the venus project states is that money can become an obsolete mean of efficient distribution of resources in the future, and that it can be replaced by ethic mechanisms, I'd personally say. For example: in a world were energy is produced for free, I dont see at first the fact that you can satisfy your transport needs with almost no efforts, but I see a lot of desalting implants all over the coasts of the world producing drinkable water for agricolture and people for what could be nothing.
The question that comes out here to me is: Why would technicians or managers desire to work in those plants, almost entirely run by machines ok, but for what in respect? I think the answer is only one: for Power. For the possibility to drive others and the world where and how you want to and to get as a payback a strong sexual appetibility, the driver of power nowadays and further on.

reply to post by ThePetrus


That's the one question I had as well. The video said "90%" of all jobs would be eliminated, but someone still needs to be repairing and replacing this technology. Although Fresco claims self-erecting buildings, so maybe machines will be able to fix themselves as well.

The way you say it makes it sound corrupt, but I think in a resource-based economy it would be the opposite. Right now menial jobs are looked down upon for being dirty and crude. In a resource-based economy it would be the people willing to do these tasks out of generosity that would be elevated to a higher status. People in our society already do volunteer work so I think it would be a similar approach.

I also see difficulty in how we as individuals can move to a resource-based economy while we are still neck-deep in the monetary system. Here is what I propose though:

I have always had the desire and fantasy of living in a self-sufficient farming commune in the wilderness. Sort of like the “Back-To-The-Land Movement” of the '60s and '70s. I have been actively learning how to plant and grow crops, participating in a “survivalist” discussion boards, etc for quite some time now.

Ideally this group would be at least a dozen individuals in a small group with the same goals, but potentially as many as one hundred to literally form a small Zeitgeist-inspired village.

Upon first glance, this plan would appear to be a step backwards for civilization rather than forward. However, this would not be a
community like the Amish that is devoid of technology and modern ways. We would quickly begin using state-of-the-art technology... collecting rainwater and other sources for water use, heating and lighting with solar, wind, and other alternative energies completely “off the grid”, farming using a combination of organic techniques as well as modified farm vehicles to run on clean energy, and many many others.

The group would consist of a wide variety of people, preferrably each having one or more specialized skills. Here is a small sample:
- Construction, woodworking, metalworking, and other trades
- Extensive knowledge of electronics and other complex technologies.
- The arts, specifically philosophy and music
- Farming, (domesticated plants and animals), irrigation
- Knowledge of edible plants and animals, methods of harvesting each
- Culinary skills
- Education (everyone has something to contribute)
- Clothing creation and mending
- General manual labour / willingness to work hard

How To Proceed

Stage 1: Meeting
Informal meetings and creation of like-minded groups, facilitated primarily through thezeitgeistmovement.com in the beginning. Public advertising and activism. Through all stages of progress towards a resource-based economy, we must keep strong public communication open, lest we begin to appear to the mainstream as a cult.
Stage 2: Thinking
Serious consideration and discussion of creating something similar to “The Venus Project”
Stage 3: Planning
Formally gathering a group and planning of this society. We are the pioneers.
Stage 4: Pooling Resources & Establishing
Pooling of funds and resources, purchase and establishment of land for this purpose. Money will need to be set aside for paying legal fees, buying out people who wish to leave the group, etc. Although we are establishing a small resource-based economy, keep in mind that in the beginning we will still be occupying a larger monetary-based economy and will need to abide by their rules.
Stage 5: Work
Huge amount of hard, manual work. Some group members will want to be bought out and leave the group, others may join and contribute. We will need some form of bare-minimum income generation (most likely through the sale of crops) to pay taxes.
Stage 6: Automation
Eventually (realistically, after one full generation or longer), all manual work will pay off and be replaced by technological automation, with the exception of minimal repairs and upkeep. Energy will harness itself passively, plants will automatically be sewn, watered, and harvested, etc.
Stage 7: Spread and Revolution
Likely to start at Stage 4, but will really pick up after Stage 6. When one colony gets over a certain size, it will split into a separate group. More and more groups will continue to spread out from the original groups all over the world. These communities will interact and share amongst themselves, until eventually they are the majority of the world and they all link to establish one enormous resource-based economy. There will be enormous turmoil at or before this point as the monetary-based society attempts to hold on against the resource-based economy.
Stage 8: The Age of Enlightenment (100+ years from now)
Once all or most of the world has shifted to the resource-based economy, true growth and progress can begin as never before seen, in a way that will make the Industrial Revolution look like a joke. Things such as fully-automated medical procedures, free global wireless internet access, free emission-free high-speed global travel, and other things we cannot yet even fathom will be possible.

Things I haven't yet considered
- How the group(s) will govern themselves and make descisions that affect everyone
- How groups will interact, if they will have a central constitution.
- How to deal with crime
- How to deal with corruption
- How to avoid a cult atmosphere
- How to deal with lazy freeloading people

zeitgeist the movie is just to ressurect the mind of the from sleep. and wake to a era of one . . a love supreme. no conditions . free. and it will be obtained .
with you or without you. slowly you will see that it is something ordained that will emerge.
(DEDANERO) new york city. home of the blanket of fear.

Zeitgeist's problem is its target audience. If it is seeking to enlighten, which means its major audience is the 'sheeple' as some say. To win people over giving simple explaination aids understanding and creates a better chance that the people watching will begin to question their beliefs.

As an example the first explanation (in addendum) of the monetary system is explained in very basic terms so everyone can gain an understanding.

Even as the movie develops almost everything is linked to the monetary system making the initial explanation imperitive, using minimal reference.

I think by overloading the audience with evidence and cases would cause confusion to people new to these ideas and could stop alot of people watching. Therefore, zeitgeist (in my opinion) is there to make people ask the questions and not answer them.

The problem this then creates is that people see one movie and claim to know the secrets of the world, becoming ignorant to other sources or arguements (but thats a different arguement lol)

reply to post by dunwichwitch


I agree with you friend, but i would think he is beginning this movement because.. well i...
go to this youtube video:

au.youtube.com...

and look at the comments on it.
A division is appearing.. between those who don't want to embrace change and those who do. People who embrace a willful ignorance for the fear change imparts on the stability of their idea of own identity.. those people are destroying the world. Nothing could infuriate me more, than those who choose a bath that is the entire opposite to that of one which quests for truth.
These people.. they will not change. They are the people who built the atom bomb.. they are the people who started all of this. He is starting a movement so that those who truly have the best interest of this world and every living being within it at heart, can overcome this diversity.

His movement does not require you to even slightly abandon your own free will, in fact, it asks of you nothing more than to volunteer to inspire that same ambition in others, the want for free will, the want for freedom.
He is encouraging mobilization and change, revolution.
World wide, unconditional love, to make this change, it so save the world.
I will join it with my heart and soul in the way i personally see most fit.
I will better this world in any way i can.

Peace out friends.

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We are more aware then most think...Boycotting the military is bad news, instead keep educating them on what really is going on.

Seems like a good idea to work together and produce some good results. But, yeah there is a but here, I will not be joining this movement if it excudes the thought of free will. Yes, you can have free will you say. But my free will says I will not join this excuse of humanity for the sake of those who just do nothing but talk. I have a problem with people who talk one way, yet actions of them seem the opposite. Sorry my spelling is not correct or my words offend you, but who says that this is the way we all should do things when we are all, and I mean all have different procedures and processes of thought. In other words we all agree to disagree. And I, like my free will. To many things can go wrong for it to be so right. There will always be a different concept to your own. A concept it is and will always be. Of course it would be ideal to have every one have the same mind set, what of those who disagree to the concept, are they placed somewhere where the common goal of utopia is not?. Something is not right with the whole concept and I feel it in my bones. This is my opinion. These are my thoughts of this movement. But I agree to disagree with it.