the internet is the only thing still around thats uncensored no matter how much you take something down a hundred more of the same websites pop up. let them take our sites down and we'll just find or make more!

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The whole point of the project is we wouldn't have to pay for it.
everything is free.
of laws and money.
watch that part again.

Hi There,

I am sure there are many out there whom are sympathetic, nay, even empathetic to the need for cultural change, but I am not sure that joining a ideological movement offers any particular way to bring change about. For myself, I don't want any particular culture to define who and what I am: I'm a human being, and that alone is enough of a definition for me. I don't want others perceiving me by my national identity, nor by the colour of my skin, nor by my socio-economic status, nor by my affiliation to a 'faith system' should I happen to be so affiliated...which I'm not.

All these perceivings are purely 'abstract catergorizations', and are only meaningful to others of similarity or dissimilarity, none are truly 'me'. Corresponed with me, talk to me, interface with me in some way, and you may get a glimpse of the transparency, the neutrality I have adopted and adapted to over time.

I will not put on a uniform of any particular ideology or creed, I will not allow myself to be so limited and narrowed. I have ceased to see differences, and more to express them in such narrow and limited contexts. If you want to bring about cultural change, you need to unplug yourself from the one you're currently in.

Movements and parties affiliate themselves to narrow viewpoints, blinkered perceptions, and ill-focussed aims. They are incapable of maintaining cohesion throught their ranks and files...why? Because every member is a individual, with their own personal and private life experience, and no amount of massed ranks will ever change that experience. The true equalizer is to be holding to no culture at all...to be a human being requires no cultural difference...it requires simply that you are born, and if you are reading this, then you were like I, born naked and unadorned of all the differences you were taught to perceive later in your life. When you perceive the world through the lenses of 'abstract catergorizations', you not only place the perceived within boxes of separatism, but yourself also. None can come together until such lacunae are closed.

Societies are set up in such a way that 'abstract catergorizations' seem clearly and indelibly marked out, and that is due to the fact that the societies we have constructed have us all competing against each other for the scraps off the elite's table. You can continue to participate in the competition, and thus continue the cycle through your children, or you can pierce through the boundaries of 'abstract catergorizations', and unchain yourselves from cultural imprisonment. If you want to join a movement, then the latter is the way...the way of the silent act of the individual.

Best wishes

People can get the facts right, but too often draw conclusions based on their own bias. Zeitgiest should have stopped short of trying to sell us on what is another globalist agenda. Those like Jacque Fresco who try to design cultures and make clearly biased declarations about the right thing to do are truly arrogant.

When anyone speaks of managing nature with technology and human health with nanotechnology, I have to wonder if they are also proponents of GMO's, and Codex Alimentarius. When they speak of all of the resources belonging to all of the people, does that mean they are proponents of the United Nation's Agenda 21 which has the ultimate goal of eliminating private property and restricting human habitation onto controlled narrow corridors. Look these things up for yourselves.

In Fresco's vision, there is no tecnological elite? Really? And who controls the manufacture of technology? 'The distribution of goods and services? Is everything automated? Or, does he who controls manufacture and distribution in turn control the planet?

In his declaration that there is no God, he ignores the spiritually intuitive truth within each human that there is indeed something connecting us to a greater wisdom, compassion and knowing.

No where in the proposals for the new globalism did I hear anything about the sovereignty of the individual, only his/her need to give up their old ideas.

We have no future except that which we help to create. We need to make sure we get it right.

To the person who posted: "All movements eventually fail when forced, and the very idea of intentionally starting a group movement just seems absurd to me, well intentioned or not. When enough people of like mind have emerged, the movement will begin on its own."

This is exactly what the director of the Zeitgeist intends to happen. If we all change our way of thinking and encourage others to do the same (and hopefully others discover the truth on their own, as well), we may be able to start a movement that "the man" can't stop... because there would be too many of us and more "waking up" at a steadfast rate. Their system would ultimately fail.

The worst we can do is to say a movement could never happen, and just accept all the bull# that has been force fed to us.

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My point here is that there are many ways to change the world. Violent revolution being merely one of them. (and I'm not trying to offend people who are speaking of revolution in non-violent terms) However, the danger is much greater than a simple censorship of the internet, which is the conclusion of posting such plans on it. At a point, people need to stop posting plans of violent revolution as a matter of personal safety.

I'm not going to elaborate at all, I don't want to be a fearmonger, but people need to THINK before they post some stuff on a website such as this. Please people.

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Your post is a wealth of information to anyone that wants to consider what you have to say. Well said.

Reminds me of a paper I read. I was researching the band The Cold War Kids (I LOVE their song "Hang Me Out To Dry")... Anyhow, the point being, they chose that name based on some PhDs sociology dissertation. He was speaking about the forthcoming generation's opposition to cultural norm. He likened the future generation to the Hippy generation with one distinction. The future generation's rebellion will be one of non-compliance. I think he was spot-on.

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This is way past having a certain affiliation or wearing a uniform. I don't think Peter Joseph is trying to create a militia of any kind. He's trying to inform people of what our society has become and try to inspire others to do the same. I believe that there will be a time when a revolution is needed and the more people that are knowledgeable, informed, and waiting the bigger and stronger our army will be. And I strongly doubt that he is trying to form a violent protest or revolution. That's completely not the point he's trying to make. But i don't rightly know and we'll find out on Oct. 10th I guess.

I liked 'Addendum' even more than 'Zeitgeist the Movie', which I thought was great. I will check out the 'Movement' page when it pops up and will join in if it provides information about surviving the times ahead, but I won't join any angry mob to try to draw blood from the opposition. My own solution, which I began implementing about 25 years ago, is to live on my own bought and paid for property with a well, septic system, and a river nearby and continue to build chicken coops, water and food storage facilities, and gardens to grow my own food. Damn! I feel sorry for those in big cities in the coming days.

Two thumbs up to Peter Joseph for standing in the face of organized religion with aplomb and clarity. "Evolute the Abrahamic Trilemma" is a bumper sticker I might print up one of these days. If these exasperatingly immature 3 sons of Abraham must continue their violent games, couldn't we at least take the vote away from them?

I will say this much, I'm tired of being a slave to a society that doesn't give a damn about anything. After watching the movie I bought the DVD and made 100 copies and just started handing them out I have purchased the addendum and will do the same. So yes I will most likely join the movement and probably become a full time supporter. This information goes in hand with what Alex Collier, the terra papers, the Urantia book, and some other authors have to say as well. The Venus Project is of great significance especially if you dont want your children to live as slaves to the system just like you. Give your future generations a chance at the life we most likely wont have. Join the movement!

I can happily say that I just had the opportunity to finally watch Zeitgeist Addendum. I have been waiting for this day for a long time, and am so happy it is here! I speculated what it would be about, but had always hoped it would answer those very important questions the first movie left me with, like what can I do, or what can we as a society do to change the things that so obviously need to be changed? I also felt so alone. I felt like anytime I tried to express what I believe is the real truth, even to my friends and family, they would laugh at me or try and convince me I was wrong. But I have never given up! I will never give up!! I will do all that I can to get the truth out there! Even more...I know now that I am NOT alone! I am proudly joining the zeitgeist movement! In fact it will be the first thing I do on October the 10th, along with do my very best to follow the ideas for social change! This is the most important thing in my life right now. I will continue to live my routine life, but with a different perspective...one I want to expand and change and more importantly spread. This is it everyone! This is the change we have been waiting for!

I'm just curious, but to those saying that we're better off as individuals rather than joining together in communities/movements/etc., do you *really* want to do *everything* yourself?

Seriously, take this to its logical conclusions. You'd have to build everything you need, grow or produce all your own food, be your own doctor, defend your land all on your own, and possibly more. Now, multiply that times every other person or family in the world, and it has to be obvious how stupid and wasteful this is. The whole purpose of a community or a movement is to get together to enact changes based on a set of shared values or ideals.

If you don't agree with the items set forth in Zeitgeist, that's your prerogative. But those with alternative ideas and answers to some of the world's problems are not forcing you to do anything, they're trying to open your eyes to the bondage you endure; to the manner in which you're enslaved.

Throughout the posts about Zeitgeist: Addendum, there are tons of people decrying ideas like the Venus Project, or Zeitgeist altogether, as proposing communism. "I don't want to be a drone", they say. You're a drone now! You work day in and day out, trying to get something that has no real value, to buy things of no value to fill your life, and the cycle repeats with each day, each generation, and so on and so forth. We're the workers, the drones, that keep this hive going, and at some point we're going to have to change.

Individualism can be a good thing, and I think each of us needs to be able to pursue our goals and dreams. But that isn't going to happen in this society unless your goals and dreams generate profit, and in that case, you're just supporting the status quo. Seriously, consider what the Zeitgeist films are saying, and understand that the current system is inherently unsustainable. Capitalism requires scarcity, scarcity requires competition, and ultimately means there are winners and losers. You may be one of the losers, no matter how hard you work, and your odds of winning are slim to none.

I agree with those who say be careful about talking Revolution. If you want to safely start taking steps to pull away from the mainstream society I suggest simply do the fallowing:

#1 Spread the word, the terrorists cant take exposure.

#2 Before you touch the bank, invest on becoming more energy independent. I read that it's possible to mod a gasoline engine to run partially on water fuel, decreasing gasoline usage by like 40%. But I have no proof to back that up and I'm sure there are ways to get more success or even have a 100$ gas free vehicle by simply modding it. Become electricity independent, invest in wind or solar energy or something. There have been inventions in the past that were suppressed that offered harnessing electricity from the atmosphere, But I have NO idea how that works, havn't looked into it.

#3 GET RID OF YOUR CREDIT CARDS, nough said

#4 If possible, abolish any use for banks all together, but if you must, move your account to a safer bank, do your research.

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SAF here.

Not only that, but, the vision put forth by the Venus project is, while socialist in a sense, most definitely NOT Communist. People who use those terms interchangably are ignorant of their respective meanings.

Communism is all about a market economy whose price structure and manufacturing are controlled by, for lack of better term, "soviets." Each soviet was originally intended to be a council of workers, as dreamt up by Marx. These councils exhibit dictatorial control over who produces what, how much the prices will be, and how much people get paid for their efforts.

OK, you say, then TVP is a kind of participatory economy (ParEcon). Yes, in some sense, it is. As such, the control exhibited by the soviets now is relegated to consumers and producers equally, with price mitigation through what's called "iteration facilitation boards," or IFBs. However, even this falls way short of that proposed by Jacque.

The Resource-based Economy (RBE) is, structurally, indifferent what-so-ever from already existing automated inventory management systems. You have a central computer with monitors on all the resources and inventory necessary for society, and the software is responsible for managing the flows of resources all about. Sounds overly complex? It'll never work? Investment banks disagree; in fact, the system works so well that it's virtually impossible for bankers to track money flow. This is one of the reasons why we had the credit bubble burst -- who, anywhere on Wall Street, could possibly know that the money they receive is in the form of bad loans? You'd have to walk the paper trail, so to speak, which takes time away from day-trading. Now, all you need to do is replace fictitious money with real-world resources, and you have a significant infrastructure for an RBE already in place.

The other aspect of the Venus Project-style society is that people will be able to recognize that all solutions to problems encountered today are technological in nature. Hence, it follows, with an unbelievably high degree of confidence, that future solutions to social woes will also be technological in nature.

Will there be a technological elite? Yes, but only if education of the relevant systems aren't disseminated throughout the society you live in. Not practical? Not likely, since nearly everyone in America today has a remarkably firm grasp of how capitalism works. What's lacking is the distribution of education relevant to exploitation of the fractional reserve banking system (and with good reason too!). Had this knowledge been more widespread, you'd get a mass revolt against the system. There is damn near zero reason why this kind of generalized information about how "cybernation" (as TVP calls it) cannot also be disseminated to the population-at-large via schools as well.

See, Jacque was right. He hit the nail completely on the head, when he said that people of today's society just won't get it. And, you don't. And that's OK. If you want to live in a world dominated by politics, be my guest. You want to live in a world dominated by socialism or capitalism? Go right on ahead. But, don't you dare try to impose your archaic, war-mongering world-views on me, or others like me, who see things for what they really are.

Thank you for reading.

My part in the revolution, or movement (whatever name you want to put on it), is to constantly challenge my friends. I will sometimes even mention obviously wrong or slanted points just to see if they are paying enough attention to catch it rather than just drink in my views.
As well, I emailed the link to Zeitgeist out to everyone on my email list with a mention that they should view the movies with open eyes and realize their own truths. I do not plan to just be the devils advocate of a corrupt system by trying to sway people, rather just give them alternative viewpoints for consideration.

That is my part in the movement.

Not me.

I am the belief that Jesus and Horus are a result of synergy, of God wanting to repeat a message. So says plucky.

I too will join the movement...
I try to tell as many people (friends, family) as i can about what is going on around us; some are receptive but most of the time i feel like i am trying to explain particle physics to golden retriever.

I've already started a movement... And I'll join that one too... Looks like yet another link to post ;-)