They were hardly bashing religious people. How can they know any better if that's what they've been taught for their whole lives? The message this movie was supposed to bring was to question everything and come to conclusions based on your own research. You might say, then why don't you question Zeitgeist? Because it's the only thing I was ever told that makes any sense, think about it.

There are many ideas that Zeitgeist flirts with that are within your immediate control and power. They do not require a forced movement.

Remember, the word 'zeitgeist' refers to a collective consciousness. If people understand certain things to be commonplace, good, beneficial, or desired, then those things will likely go unchallenged. And when they are challenged, the culture will swell in opposition to the agitator.

The current problem is that bad things are deemed good, and are going unchallenged. Pick any political candidate, senator, or even house member, and explain how they help mankind and the earth. That is my challenge to any of you out there, just think it through in your head.


In my opinion, even the massive support for Ron Paul isn't enough AT ALL. People are sitting in their computer chairs expecting their own opinions to be enough. It will not be enough. You cannot email your congresspeople and expect jack #. It is not enough to switch paper money to a gold/silver base. It is not enough if we do not challenge the ideas that do not currently work. It is not enough to simply abolish the IRS or Federal Reserve.

Preservation of the earth and careful use of its resources ought to the first thing taught to any human being on this planet from the time they start learning to mouth their first words.

For many decades, people have protested destructive corporate interest and we haven't gotten anywhere. Why? Lots of armchair debate. Lots of protest signs. Not enough 'doing' / 'being'.



1) Grow your own food. There is a wealth of information out there about this subject. Start small, but ultimately do it with heart and the intention to try to supplement/supplant your current food sources.

2) Move. Research where you live, find a place with quality land and water. Utilize this land/water efficiently and with care. give back to the land/water. give back to the animals that aid you in its sustenance.

3) Find like-minded people. This can help & hurt you. Recognize when it is hurting you. Change the topic of conservation. Do activities. Encourage the act of 'thinking' whenever and however possible.

4) Recognize your innate faults/strengths. Human beings are not perfect. You cannot be totally independent. You have to instead seek the most optimal dependencies.

5) Energy. Getting off the grid doesn't mean taking all your electronics with you. Cull your collection. Excise the unnecessary. Cut out the waste. Re-purpose the old.

6) Create. You cannot destroy anything. You cannot destroy CNN, you cannot destroy McDonalds, you cannot destroy the government. You can only create. Design and implement your own solar-powered WiFi access point. Install a solar panel. Build a compost bin. Share your creations with your roommates, neighbors, family, friends. Encourage them to participate.

7) Share positive information. Avoid phrasing things negatively. Avoid "not", "don't", "isn't", "no", "doesn't", etc. Instead of talking about how bad the government is, talk about how good a different solution could be, and why. Discuss specifics. Forget the generalities, you're probably wrong anyway and probably making mistakes or assumptions. Talk about the benefits of growing food, talk about the benefits of zero pesticides, mention the amount of energy saved by using your solar panel. TALK ABOUT THE GOOD YOU WISH TO SEE. This is the best way to cultivate the ideas in our culture. Be an example, don't just talk. Let someone try a tomato or pepper from your garden. Remind them how real food is supposed to taste.


Negative talk is lazy, ineffective, self-destructive.

This documentary isn't perfect. You aren't either. At some level, accept it. On another level, ask yourself why. None of this is about right or wrong. It's about proper balance. Things are out of whack for very concrete reasons. Identify them, and challenge them in your own life little by little.

Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist: Addendum have profoundly touched and affected me. They contributed a great deal to the skepticism I’ve developed over time and made me want to know more about all these things that „just don’t seem right“. After watching Zeitgeist: Addendum, we know that a movement will be born on October 10th 2008. So this is probably a good time to think about what this movement should be about.
Those of us who have taken the issues addressed in Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist: Addendum very seriously to the point of trying to look for further information and other, maybe differing, opinions have noticed that Zeitgeist in its entirety can’t be taken as the truth, but much rather as an alternative to popular beliefs. Some things stated in Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist: Addendum are probably false, and some probably true, but more importantly, these two movies are definitely a good starting point to think about questions of extreme importance we need to ask and hopefully answer.
If we think about participating in a movement, we should be aware of some existential basics of activism. The opposition is going to try everything and anything that destabilizes and contradicts the claims of the movement. Yes, all religions have a common origin, but whether that origin is a worship of the sun or the basic human need to belong is uncertain. Yes, many aspects of 9/11 are highly suspicious and contradictory, but for almost every argument saying it was an inside job there is an argument trying to prove the official story. And yes, the monetary system is inherently corrupt, but how do we explain to 6.5 billion people in an extremely stratified world to give up all the money they have saved up? By making it worthless? You can picture the consequences yourself. So if all these issues are controversial and bring about the danger of great disapproval of a majority, what can we focus on?
Zeitgeist: Addendum gives us the answer to this question towards the end of the movie (at 1:33). There are two undeniable, natural characteristics that everything on planet earth has in common: emergence and symbiosis. Personally, I think these are the most important and fundamental things that need to be realized by humanity. Once acknowledged, the impact could be overwhelming. The Venus Project is one interpretation of this, and I think there are beautiful ideas in it, but it is quite far away from where we are now. The Zeitgeist Movement should be careful to not become a synonym to the Venus Project, but much more an authentic, ad-hoc movement, because that’s where our power lies. We are in the now, and now is the time for us to initiate and advance change. In you and I, and everybody else who is actively thinking, the movement has already begun. We are the movement.

reply to post by ShockaBoycott Cittibank, JP Morgan Chase, and Bank of America. (Weird that these are the banks that bought out all the other banks when they went under last month. I wonder what Peter Joseph was thinking.)

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If you would think a little, you would understand that this is not weird -it was all planned out by those banks - they are the masterminds of the fin collapse.

The ideas and conclusions represented in Zietgeist ,are almost point for point,what my own studies and observations through the years have lead me to ,which is why I 'm happy that it exists and is out there,and yes I feel vindicated, as to the people who don't want to join a global change movement ,all I can say is you're in one already . It needs to be organized to be effective and accomplish it's goal which is to save the Earth and all the life on it ,how could anyone not be for that ? The zombifcation of humanity needs to end.

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well said and good point

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Also, I was being sarcastic saying that that was weird but it's just crazy to think that all of this is right. It feels like we're in a movie right now!

So...lets start to work....

I'm not going to join the zeitgeist movement on the 10th of october because I already joined that and everything I'll write on the net or I'll say to my best friends will already be from yesterday on, the day I watched it and intimally said yes, part of that movement. As the clever author said the zeitgeist is at first a movement of souls, awakening souls, and then its a project, passing through the venus project now but surely involving the possibilty of evolution. So, I dont see the point of dibating here if you will or wont be in on the 10th, because you are already debating the movement fundamentals, and as critics and scepticism are part of the development process I think I'm not wrong now if I greet you all as my friends, as people that had inside of them what I kept inside myself till now, the ideal that the zeitgeist is trying to take out and especially to shape to real.

Its october the 6th today and I'm looking on the newspapers for whats going on in the financial markets. I'm astonisehd on how all of the #ing crowd is worried for their #ing money, and my money is involved too, and no one is writing a # about the unique and proper question that should be brought on! How the hell could all of this # have happened? How can it be that in a span of years befor the sub-prime explosion the proper organ ment to monitor the economic stability of the markets did not take any efficient countermeasure?? How can it be that top professionals from all over the world, and see central banks for it, let all of this happen if not for their own will??? And especially now lol, when America and the world with it (I'm not from america but I dont think anybody would care a # of seeing day by day how is the elections campaign going on in italy) is profoundly captured by that Obama-Mccain show, the timing of this financial action is actually spectacular, thay made the bomb explode, just to be sure that nobody will ever discuss the proper question....how could this thing happen ???

The zeitgeist is a work in progress, its at a preliminar stage I think (will have a clearer idea on the 10th) and as any enterprise in this world which is having birth it has just one need for at first...good brains.

We need the best of you

Sincerely

The Petrus - a guy of the movement

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Skepticism is dangerous in the hands of the uneducated. They find out the 'truth' for themselves and then spew it all over the internet. Open-mindedness is very ambiguous in the hands of people who do not go about things the right way. Their brand of research is more just grabbing the first thing that supports their hypothesis and clinging to it. They used the Graves list to try and disprove Jesus for heaven's sake. That list is BUNK if I ever saw it. Yes, the first time I saw it, years ago, I said wow. Within days, it meant nothing to me because it was absurd next to the other side. Graves was not legitimate at all and a supposedly intelligent film like Zeitgeist could not figure that out. Unless, of course, they knew that most people would not look into it. But I do not think that was their intention. If the point of the Zeitgeist film is what tu posted then why does so little of what they say add up? I consider myself educated. I look at all sides and dismiss almost nothing. I see that their intentions may be good but their material is very much junk. I am not encouraged to search for the truth by them at all. I am just disappointed that they do not know how to go about finding truth in the first place.

Me and some friends from work have researched this, and we have started too spread this information around as well, so its growing well within our friends and their friends again in the "øresund Region" of denmark/Sweden. Copenhagen area, and hope fully more will join this

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It all seems to add up to me... please enlighten me on the parts that don't make sense or aren't true because i really don't think your telling the truth or have done your research..
really i'm open to all sides of the argument