So... Who's Going to Join the Zeitgeist Movement??

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posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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I dont know about us being scared mate but I think you sound terrified of the truth. You must have bought into this system quite a bit. Its usually the ones who have most to lose that are so scared of change. I've noticed that older ppl are harder to talk to cos they've bought into this bull# system all their long lives and they aren't gonna listen cos they know better. Truth is if you haven't noticed that this system is failing right in front of your eyes look at whats happening on wall street, look at all the banks closing look at the 700 billion dollar bail out look at the bull# they spin on the news to try and justify it(usually blaming the ppl for borrowing too much lol). Fact is most ppl dont have the information to see this bull# but you should know better cos you do have the information in my eyes your'e worse because you choose to ignore it. So deny it all you like mate but it wont make it any less of a truth.
Get ready for ww3 ppl dont say we didn't warn you




posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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Hello all!

I watched ZeitGeist Addendum this weekend after much waiting and anticipation. Though I feel that Peter Joseph did the right thing in delving deeper into the underlying fabric of our society, I also feel he may have been a little premature in promoting a new society to replace the current.

While I greatly appreciate everything the Venus Project is moving towards, I think it puts too much emphasis on the end result and the technica behind the society, instead of the society itself. We're talking about evolution of the human consciousness and the way man reacts with the world around him. Of course, the technology is there to make this movement a reality, but the human element seemed almost forgotten or void of any emotion.

For example, certainly crime would drop nearly 100% as a result of the elimination of money being a necessity to survive. But what about people that inherently have something wrong with them and kill for no reason or purpose? Even if this is not genetic and is in fact learned, does this mean that families will be "told" the values they will be passing on to the next generation to keep these things from happening? In short, where does the society stop taking priority over the individual?

In my opinion, any change to society and individual people has to be made fluidly, with no end result in mind. Otherwise, we risk losing some of the great ideas and revelations evolution has to offer and we risk being even more severely dooped than we have been in the past.

Spread your word, believe in each other, and don't stop learning from those around you.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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i've watched both zeit movies many times.
and everything makes sense.
im definitely joining.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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What is exactly irrelevant? The proofs that we are being governed by a corrupted Elite of bankers who are able to kill millions of people in the name of profit ?
Zeitgeist movement focuses to change a whole culture rather than fix the system. The idea is completely radical : Life without war, exploitation, poverty, inequality, injustice. I do accept that is really difficult for anyone to believe that all of those can be achieved. However, Zeitgeist movement is by far the most optimistic scenario I have ever heard. We can just try..There is nothing to loose than our chains!


[align=center]"THE EVIL OF OUR WORLD DERIVES NOT FROM THOSE WHO DO BAD THINGS BUT FROM THOSE WHO WATCH AND DO NOTHING" (An American novelist) [/align]



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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people are naturally scared of change, they want things to stay the same, but thats only the priviliged. just take a thought to those who arnt. a change is needed, bill hicks got it right, we are being stopped from eveloution, which by the ways starts in our minds. at the moment our brains are confused. before anything changes we have to talk, its not going to change in a day, a week... times are going to be hard and by the look of things times are going to be hard anyway, it just depends on how you want to emerge from it all. think. and while you think keep looking after mother nature, it makes sense... im all for the revolution.bring it on.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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The objective of this movie is to encourage people to stop sitting at their computers angry about whats going on and get up and do something. He told us how to get a good start and I think one way we could do our part is to inform people. Get people to watch Zeitgeist or educate yourselves enough so that you can explain whats going on in a way that people will understand and embrace.

I don't believe joining this movement will make you just another drone for a different cause, the point is to break away from all the things you've been taught and the programmed way of thinking and be part of something that in the end is going to save us all from a horrible life for us and our children. I for one wouldn't want my kids growing up in the world we're in now.

I doubt that when this website opens we're going to have to sign our names on a dotted line or anything, we're not being recruited. that's completely opposite the point!



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Shocka
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The objective of this movie is to encourage people to stop sitting at their computers angry about whats going on and get up and do something. He told us how to get a good start and I think one way we could do our part is to inform people. Get people to watch Zeitgeist or educate yourselves enough so that you can explain whats going on in a way that people will understand and embrace.

I don't believe joining this movement will make you just another drone for a different cause, the point is to break away from all the things you've been taught and the programmed way of thinking and be part of something that in the end is going to save us all from a horrible life for us and our children. I for one wouldn't want my kids growing up in the world we're in now.

I doubt that when this website opens we're going to have to sign our names on a dotted line or anything, we're not being recruited. that's completely opposite the point!


I understand your concern. But I believe in personel responciblity. Again forgive me for my spelling as I am disabled. Do you think your life is so horrible that you would be willing to give your life to this ?. Again I agree to disagree which is my right as a spiritual being. I do my best to take care of my family. I have compassion. My son who has a high functioning disablity has fun in his life. So let me get this right, this movement is only for those who are dishearted about their current condition? I know for a fact that hard times and living through them give character. The knowledge you optain through those hard times and difficulties have made you who you are. If everything was utopia then where is the learning process of life and the world around you. Again it is only a concept. Its not real, nor will it ever be real, because we all agree to disagree. I see from the venus project web site that they want to change your thought process, what if you like the one you have?. Do I take the red pill or the blue one?. I have thought about what this would be like and I get the process , it seems nice and everything, but who will do the dirty work that needs to be done?. Meaning clean up and the like?. Will people who disagree with the concept be hurded away to a special location for brainwashing?. Don't get me wrong, I garden and I enjoy the feel of earth in my fingers, I enjoy the picture perfect place where I live, I see from the site the venus project , city like places where people will live, I can not live in those places as I am all about nature and enjoy quiteness and can not be pulled into a project that will take those things from me, as it does state in the web page that people who have disablities will be taken care of, how may I ask you will those who do not want to be taken care of be placed?. There is so many things that it list that it will do , that I do not want to be a part of, it sounds nice and all, but it is not for me, who longs to have free thought and feelings.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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It will be a learning process to make this society happen.

I like nature too. But I understand that one goal of the society would be to preserve nature.

Here is a screenshot from New York:
www.panoramio.com...

And here is one from a poor African country:
www.panoramio.com...

Think about it. I would like that the world was more like the scenery in the photo of Africa.

I have been in the virtual world named Second Life. People go there to create their dreams, but what do I see? The problem with money makes the dreams die, when people litter everything with big ad-signs and casinos. Then land lords buy all the land to sell it with higher price to other land lords, who sell it again. People even have pictures of nature hiding all the ads, which is like virtual virtual world.

In the new real world there would be a lot less ads and other unnecessary stuff, but more nature, style, quality of life, and peace of mind.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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I'm very confused, I had plans on joining the military(national guard) but now am having second thoughts.
I been avoiding my recruiter for two weeks now, I should have already sworn in.
Alot of the stuff they say sounds credible, it sounds possible, and it seems more than likely that is the way things really are behind closed doors, BUT is it possible that most of this could just be assumptions?
I mean just because you put two and two together doesn't exactly make it the truth with out doig the math first to prove it.
Could some one that is more knowledgable please write me an e-mail to
Lab4x16@hotmail.com.
I really need outside opinions and suggestions before I sign my life away for the next 8 years.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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sounds to me you arrent very aware of what is going on out side of your garden. Listen buddah the planet is a mess people are a mess the government.... do i need to tell you? Truth is if things keep going toward the direction they are headed then even you will be affected because soon they will tell you how you can grow your food. Everyone is affected by one persons actions. So keep thinking it has nothing to do with you. But perhaps you could grow our food for us and the engineers could help you overcome your disability, It's a self sustaining world and I'm sure that every one will respect you decision if you wish to have no part of it. Because love will be the new currency not money.

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posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by truth bearer
sounds to me you arrent very aware of what is going on out side of your garden. Listen buddah the planet is a mess people are a mess the government.... do i need to tell you? Truth is if things keep going toward the direction they are headed then even you will be affected because soon they will tell you how you can grow your food. Everyone is affected by one persons actions. So keep thinking it has nothing to do with you. But perhaps you could grow our food for us and the engineers could help you overcome your disability, It's a self sustaining world and I'm sure that every one will respect you decision if you wish to have no part of it. Because love will be the new currency not money.

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Accually I am quite aware of allot of different cultures and people. I chose as my age is older to be in the place where I want to live. I know its a mess with the government. Vote them out!. I like the one I have in place as he did not vote no to the baleout. How is my actions effecting you. Are you lableing me and what does that say about the movement you choose. I am free to do what I want and speak what I want when I want. I chose to do legal with respct to the law on the books. I was told by a leading doctor in his field that there is no cure for MS. Self sustaining world is putting food on the table and paying your bills.I do love, have compassion, not to label you or tell you what to do. What I have is free thought. Some one said once, give me liberty or give me death. I agree. But I agree to disagree about the Venus project and what it stands for and you label me a budda?. I am no where near as enlightend than you I guess. My fault, do I take the red pill or the blue one master?. Seems kind of freaky to have someone else tell me that this is the way, well what if I do not agree with that way, am I banished to clean the toliet?. Live and let live. I am not hear to argue with you, but to show my feelings on a subject that has bias written all over it. Just as you labeling me, they will too, and then we would not be all as one would we. Show compassion for this old disabled man who wants to be free. And hope you understand that I am very much aware many surroundings as having lived many years with many different surroundings. I do understand allot of what they where trying to do, I just agree to disagree. As that is not the way this free person wants to live. Please be more learned in your responces. I do not hate them, I just do not agree with them. Living a long as I have with many different surroundings I have gained knowledge and do know what I want, please search your heart and understand that I do not want to be told , live this way or we will program you to except this way. That my friend is taken from the Venus web site.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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I recommend the following news sites:

www.pbs.org/moyers
www.bbc.com
www.npr.org
www.huffingtonpost.com (very liberal)
www.thenation.com
www.thomhartmann.com
www.firedoglake.com
www.dailykos.com
www.talkingpointsmemo.com
www.motherjones.com
www.commondreams.org
www.guardian.co.uk

Perhaps not as non-conformist as some people on this site may like, but a heck of a lot better than the MSM imho.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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I worked for one of the largest oil co. in Texas as a truckdriver for 7 mo. before I realized what I was doing. I was unknowingly helping the powers at be control the world and rape the land for there own gain. .Now I do something much more lucrative .



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Zeitgeist is an eye opener for a brainwashed world. There are a few faults in the movies as mentioned above. I hope people don't get stuck on these small details and focus on the large amount of truth it holds. I will be joining the movement and have already been doing my best to create critical mass in all aspects. I think before long though we are going to be careful what we say and who we say it too. In a perfect world we could have a non-violent revolution but there is no way the power structures will let that happen. Just a tip to be careful. Che Gueverra fought imperialism and look what happened to him.

Marcus
Mr_bandy3@hotmail.com



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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I will definitely be joining the movement.

This whole system is inherently corrupt, and I've known it ever since the age of reason.

We have the technology now to free ourselves from money.

Could you imagine that?

Getting what you want as soon as it's available instead of when you can afford it?

And a lot of people say that without working for money, people won't contribute to the society, but if the majority of people realize that our survival relies on the survival of everything and everyone around us, wouldn't that motivate us to create new technologies and solve more problems?

Whether or not you like the Venus project, that's beside the point. The heart of the matter is that technology is our new savior, not religion, and to say Zeitgeist is stupid because of the Venus project is like saying it's wrong to treat others as you'd like to be treated because Jesus was a myth.

Get over it.

I can't wait to help spread the word. The past few months I've been watching the financial world and wondering what'll happen after it collapses...the idea of a resource-based society is far superior to any other model I've ever looked at.

Socialist, capitalist, communist, barter, anarchy...

They all look like jokes to me now.



posted on Oct, 7 2008 @ 10:20 PM
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I have to vote for the better of two evil puppets. Obama will come around to change more easily. Mccain.... well... the president elect requires an inteligence quotient of at lteast 3 digits, Obama is at least a 100 or so.
Im 49 and have hated our heavily flawed self ritcheous system since i was a boy in the 60 s. Its time for change and we and our children are ready to re-edgucate ourselves. sincerely, ROD ...Aviation Technician



posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 12:53 AM
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I am definitely down with ridding myself of the old system in favor of a new one and I thought that Zeitgeist provided many ideas that were great but there are some serious feasibility problems. The Venus Project is asking for donations on their web site which is contrary to what they are trying to get rid of ... money. Does that make any sense? Asking for the very thing that they are trying to get rid of shows me that it has not been done at all yet and so there are no models to work from for the project that I can think of.

In order to get others to follow the new system it must work first before people give up the security of the old. You must have a working model before anything gets done.

Sure ... some pictures of futuristic looking stuff is real neat but how is this to be done without money???

I think that a team should be created that comes up with an effective low cost way for everyone to :
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Convert existing automobiles to clean energy.
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Convert home power usage to clean energy.
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Produce a system of creating food without taking up large amounts of resources that is workable by everyone.

Before anything can be done these are huge hurdles that have to be met in order for people to lose the old way. Without gathering large amounts of cash ... how will this be done? I am not a rich guy and I think the people that would benefit most from this system are not rich either ... so how do we do this without money?

Where are the resources?
Do we ask people to give up their land for the good of everyone?

I think the idea is great and I would like to work on solutions to these problems instead of throwing my hands up ... but exactly where do we start?



posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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those guys think they're so smart. we can out-smart them!



posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 02:31 AM
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I respect everyone's opinion on the matter, but a society without money is essential to the worlds growth. The venus project is a very good idea, but actually taking off im not sure.

So in the meantime i am going to join and spread the word because it does stand for everything i believe in.






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