My first contact with another being

reply to post by smokingman2006

There is a great book, that I have read several times, written by Marie
Orsi, called The Red Lion. It tells all about the secret elixir made from gold. An Alchemist could never turn base metals into gold until his consciousness was at a highly advanced level. You see it is the the evolved consciousness that turns base metals into The Red Lion. The book is about an unevolved entity who ingests the elixir before he is spiritually prepared and the journey he travels there after.

reply to post by seentoomuch

I have some major concerns about your story. I have been on the fence for all of it until now. L Ron was famous for being a pathological liar. And also after hearing about the Mono gold which even Laurence Gardner is backing off of now I feel that perhaps there is a game afoot. Is this all some "test" or "study" on all of us? Beamish, is that you playing another character? I have so many doubts at this point that I must back out of this thread.

seentoomuch, I have not been replying to this thread for a while simply because I am quite content to watch it fall apart on its own.

And no that story from this thread’s author about L Ron Hubbard was posted by smokingman2006, not me “playing another character”. It amazes me that I got the blame for it! You should know that one member of ATS cannot use another’s ID.

smokingman2006’s story has become ridiculous and predicable. Examples:

I suggested I was waiting for a new subject to invigorate the thread, and suddenly we get a flash back to a “previous life experience” within the next few pages. There was no follow up on his part, no attempt by him to rationalize it. It fell as flat as a pancake.

You mentioned that your partner received a visit that convinced him of your honesty, and lo and behold, we are told that smokingman2006’s wife has the self same experience. Coincidence? No. More like a desperate ploy on his part to draw you further in. And again, it hardly obtained any attention.

It matters not to me that my viewpoint about this thread is ignored or ridiculed. I know I’m right; this thread’s author, in my opinion, is utilizing all and any subjects or themes with regard to 2012 and alien contact to create a loosely integrated online following with him at the head.

This thread is all about receiving attention and nothing to do with the very real UFO/contact phenomena.

Well that sure is an amazing story. I honestly don't question it at all. If true, imagine, just imagine!

That sort of response, from blujay, even though he has managed to contradict himself within the space of three sentences, is precisely what smokingman2006 wants. Positive feedback. This is why he continually ignores awkward questions.

And when his “readers and posters” (notice we’ve already been given a designation?) disagree with him, as did MrGreen, then he turns on them.

~~~~ Beamish nice to see you are still stalking this thread~~~

You should be the first to realise that there are many more eye balls on this thread than posters due to the fact that many are too frighten to post here for fear of getting savaged by critic such as your self.

From the amount of U2U support I recieve each week I know this.....

Because this thread does not fit into your mind set as ideal Alien contact you have discarded it as a hoax from the very start, this is your right and respected by me.

But It will not stop me posting and saying this thread has fallen apart is at best premature, but if by that you men readers dont have to read your large rant& raves which took up more than there fair share of thread space, all the better.

You must still be hooked to this thread or why would you just keep coming back , if you detested it so much?
peace & good health to you

reply to post by smokingman2006

I will most likely get flamed for this and may even have the odd movie star put a hit on me be this is what was told to me by Orzeml and I believe it to be true…

There’s some odd but unsurprising terminology used in that quote.

Firstly, you know full well that you cannot get flamed. Receive responses contrary to the ones you wanted, yes, but outright attacks no. What you are doing is suggesting to those who read your posts with obsequious zeal that what you are posting will undoubtedly bring on negative responses from the “unbelievers”, and this makes you out to be the victim.

You’re not; you, in my opinion, are the perpetrator of falsities.

If you’re receiving communications from an advanced species, where’s your passion and unrelenting conviction? All famous contactees (and let’s face it, you’re seeking fame of a sort) at least had the cojones to come out and say their piece to the world with enthusiasm and da*n the consequences.

There’s a distinct difference between being given a duty of responsibility to relay communications the contents of which you may find uncomfortable and difficult to understand, and adding another confusing chapter to a concocted story. Bringing Hubbard and his religion into the mix will do you no favours.

And why would a movie star put a “hit” out on you? Do you honestly think that Tom Cruise or John Travolta trawl the web for slurs on their religion? Please, don’t insult our intelligence. They have people to do it for them.

This implied threat on your person is another type of subterfuge to create concern for your wellbeing.

And you “believe it to be true”. We’ll come back to that.

and I agree about L Ron was a pathological liar he never told anyone about the real source of his original ideas and they are a totally false and corupt pratices.

this story is stranger than fiction and I too see your point, unless I am being lead astray by my friends

So you have prior knowledge that Hubbard was a liar, but when “Orzmel” tells you a story about how the background story to his religion was concocted you “believe it to be true”, yet consider to possibility that you are being led astray.

Interesting take but highly confusing.

So what are you saying exactly in this last communication from your “friends”?

Hubbard was lying about how he gained supposed knowledge of ancient history, despite the fact that we all know where and when his religion was born, and more importantly why? And it’s not as if the story of Xenu and the Galactic Confederacy isn’t far fetched already…

You accept this new account as factual, but you “know” Hubbard was a liar.

But, on the other hand, “Orzmel” could be lying to you? For what reason?

Three different takes on the same subject, and one of them coming from a supposed “enlightened” being. It’s not difficult to see who’s creating the confusion here.

smokingman2006, you really shouldn’t attempt to overreach your abilities as a writer of fiction.

Stick to baccarat and investment.

reply to post by smokingman2006


Stalking this thread?

Are you accusing me of something?

If so, hit the alert button. See where it gets you.

From the amount of U2U support I recieve each week I know this.....

Boasting of the attention you’re receiving is not an attractive trait. But it is not unexpected.

It does not surprise me in the slightest that you have gained a following. That was the intention, wasn’t it? And you say they’re scared to post because they might get “savaged” by the critics?

Those who are posting opinions on this thread that do not see eye to eye with yours are permitted to do so. Stop whining about it. ATS allows conversation and discussion from both sides of the argument. If you or your readers don’t like it, take it up with the ATS management. Again, see how far that gets you.

And trying to paint me and other skeptics as bullies is another low blow.

Do the Pleiadians not encourage free speech? It doesn’t appear that you do…

And if your following wants to post, they can always hit the ignore button on posters they don’t like. Simple.

Because this thread does not fit into your mind set as ideal Alien contact you have discarded it as a hoax from the very start, this is your right and respected by me.

I have no mind set as to alien contact.

On what would I base a mind set, unless I’d had contact?

What I am objecting to is your merciless rehashing of every associated subject to do with contact. Because of that, this thread has read as the fiction it is from the beginning, and nothing your “friends” have communicated to you has done anything to alter that fact.

All we have had is unsubtle teasers and badly conceived plot twists.

Example: this is the Grey Area, where evidence is not necessary to support claims. Yet, we asked for it anyway and you constantly denied us any likelihood of receiving it by using the usual excuse of “the time isn’t right” or “it’s not permitted”.

But then, in complete disregard to your previous statements, later on you speak several times about the evidence that is, or was, in your possession.

But It will not stop me posting

Believe me, it won’t be me who stops you posting.

but if by that you men readers dont have to read your large rant& raves which took up more than there fair share of thread space, all the better.

“More than there (sic) fair share of thread space”. I have to ask you to direct me to where it says in the T&C’s that opinions contrary to a thread starter’s are to be limited.

And I do not rant and rave.

Am I hooked on this thread? No.

Do I detest it. Again, no.

I have an opinion on it that's as valid as everyone elses, and it will be heard.

reply to post by Beamish

you said~~~~~
And why would a movie star put a “hit” out on you? Do you honestly think that Tom Cruise or John Travolta trawl the web for slurs on their religion? Please, don’t insult our intelligence. They have people to do it for them.

Here is something that was sent to me this morning from wikipedia

Called operation freakout, yes this cult are really a nice honest honest bunch of A list actors
Cooper, a freelance journalist and author, had begun researching Scientology in 1968 and wrote a critical article on the Church for the British magazine Queen (now Harper's Bazaar) in 1969.[1] The Church promptly sued for libel, adding Queen to the dozens of British publications that it had already sued.[2][3]

Undeterred, Cooper expanded her article into a full-length book, The Scandal of Scientology (subtitled "A chilling examination of the nature, beliefs and practices of the 'now religion.'"). It was published by Tower Publications, Inc. of New York in the summer of 1971. The Church responded by suing her in December 1971, demanding $300,000 for "untrue, libelous and defamatory statements about the Church."[4]

Cooper was seen as a high-priority target by the Church's Guardian's Office, which acted as a combination of intelligence agency, legal office and public relations bureau for the Church. As early as February 29, 1972, the Church's third most senior official, Jane Kember, sent a directive to Terry Milner, the Deputy Guardian for Intelligence United States (DGIUS) directing that he find out information about Paulette Cooper so that she could be "handled".[5] In response, Milner ordered his subordinates to "attack her in as many ways as possible" and undertake "wide-scale exposure of PC's sex life".[6]

[edit] Escalating harassment

Cooper counter-sued on March 30, 1972, demanding $15.4 million in damages for the ongoing harassment.[7] However, the Church stepped up the harassment, for instance painting her name and phone number on street walls so that she would receive obscene phone calls, and subscribing her to pornographic mailing lists. She also received anonymous death threats and her neighbors received letters claiming that she had a venereal disease.[8]
The second of the two forged bomb threats

In December 1972, a woman ostensibly soliciting funds for United Farm Workers stole a quantity of stationery from Cooper's apartment. A few days later, the New York Church of Scientology "received" two anonymous bomb threats. The following May, Cooper was indicted for making the bomb threats and arraigned for a Federal grand jury. The threats had been written on her stationery, which was marked with her fingerprints.

The charges were eventually dropped in 1975 with the filing of a Nolle prosequi order by the local US Attorney's office, but it was not until the fall of 1977 that the FBI discovered that the bomb threats had been staged by the Guardian's Office.[5] A contemporary memorandum sent between two Guardian's Office staff noted on a list of jobs successfully accomplished: "Conspired to entrap Mrs. Lovely into being arrested for a felony which she did not commit. She was arraigned for the crime."[8]

The Church sued Cooper again in 1975 in the United Kingdom, the United States, and Australia in 1976.[9][10][11] According to one source, the Church itself imported Cooper's books into foreign countries for the express purpose of suing her in jurisdictions where the libel laws were stricter than in the United States.[12]

[edit] Operation Freakout
Part of the planning document for Operation Freakout, April 1976

In the spring of 1976, the Guardian Office leadership decided to initiate an operation with the aim "To get P.C. incarcerated in a mental institution or jail, or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attacks." The planning document, dated April 1, 1976, declared the aim to be "[t]o remove PC from her position of power so that she cannot attack the C of S [Church of Scientology]." [5]

In its initial form Operation Freakout consisted of three different plans (or "channels", as the Guardian's Office termed them):

1. First, a woman was to imitate Paulette Cooper's voice and make telephone threats to Arab consulates in New York.
2. Second, a threatening letter was to be mailed to an Arab consulate in such a fashion that it would appear to have been done by Paulette Cooper (who is Jewish).
3. Third, a Scientologist volunteer was to impersonate Paulette Cooper at a laundrette and threaten the President and then the Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. A second Scientologist would thereafter inform the FBI of the threat.[5]

Two additional plans were added to Operation Freakout on April 13, 1976. The fourth plan called for Scientologist agents to gather information from Cooper so that the success of the first three plans could be assessed. The fifth plan was for a Scientologist to warn an Arab consulate by telephone that Paulette Cooper had been talking about bombing it. A sixth and final plan was added subsequently. It was effectively a re-run of the 1972 plot, requiring Scientologists to obtain Paulette Cooper's fingerprints on a blank piece of paper, type a threatening letter to Kissinger on that paper, and mail it. Guardian's Office staff member Bruce Raymond noted in an internal memo: "This additional channel [the sixth plan] should really have put her away. Worked with all the other channels. The F.B.I. already think she did the bomb threats on the C of S [in 1972]." [5]

On March 31, 1976, Jane Kember telexed Henning Heldt, the Deputy Guardian U.S., to update him on the situation:

"PC [Paulette Cooper] is still resisting paying the money but the judgement stands in PT [present time] ... Have her lawyer contacted and also arrange for PC to get the data that we can slap the writs on her. If you want legal docs, from here on we will provide. Then if she still declines to come we slap the writs on her before she reaches CW [Clearwater] as we don't want to be seen publically [sic] being brutal to such a pathetic victim from a concentration camp."[5]

[edit] Exposure and aftermath
Grand Jury Charges, Introduction, "United States of America v. Mary Sue Hubbard", United States District Court for the District of Columbia, 1979.

Ultimately, Operation Freakout was never put into effect. On June 11, 1976, two Scientology a

[edit on 5-3-2009 by smokingman2006]

reply to post by smokingman2006

you said~~~~~

I know precisely what I said. Are you inferring that I’m somehow wrong?

Maybe you have read my post incorrectly.

Here, let me help (my emphasis):

And why would a movie star put a “hit” out on you? Do you honestly think that Tom Cruise or John Travolta trawl the web for slurs on their religion? Please, don’t insult our intelligence. They have people to do it for them.

Your excerpt from Wikipedia only confirms what I said.

This thread isn’t about Hubbard’s religion. It’s about alleged Pleiadian contact. And this quote of yours:

Called operation freakout, yes this cult are really a nice honest honest bunch of A list actors

I believe is more about your obvious abhorrence of those in places of authority and the media.

reply to post by Beamish

~~~~ Beamish your are very right about this quote of your's~~~~


I believe is more about your obvious abhorrence of those in places of authority and the media.

I also believe this to be the case of about 80% of members onthis board.


And yes this thread is about alien contact , but the message I posted last night was attacked by you this morning and has to be defended.

When the supermarket run out of food and the banks no longer open their doors and mayhem and chaos rule the streets of the major cities and the only rule is MIGHT IS RIGHT you may have wished you had listened a little more old friend.
Because believe it or not it's a jungle out there.
Anyway as stated last week I will be leaving this site and posting on here next week as my time to take direct action is nearly here it has been funny ride and hopefully those who believe the message can prepare.
I also want to take my wife to Canne for afew days and maybe Venice before the weather gets to hot and that city starts smelling like a dump.
So after monday you will be smokingman free, so to speak


[edit on 5-3-2009 by smokingman2006]

[edit on 5-3-2009 by smokingman2006]

reply to post by smokingman2006

I believe is more about your obvious abhorrence of those in places of authority and the media.

I also believe this to be the case of about 80% of members onthis board.

Please show us how you came to this precise figure.

And yes this thread is about alien contact , but the message I posted last night was attacked by you this morning and has to be defended.

Attacked? Okkkk…

If you ever intend on going public with your “contact” (as I think you have insinuated you are considering but I could be wrong) then be prepared for real attacks, not the mild rebuttals you’ve received here on ATS.

Do you know how long you would have lasted on other forums? On GLP, for instance?

When the supermarket run out of food and the banks no longer open their doors and mayhem and chaos rule the streets of the major cities and the only rule is MIGHT IS RIGHT you may have wished you had listened a little more old friend.
Because believe it or not it's a jungle out there.

And your parting shot is yet more fear-mongering. That is your version of reality, not mine.

Anyway as stated last week I will be leaving this site and posting on here next week as my time to take direct action is nearly here it has been funny ride and hopefully those who believe the message can prepare.

I wonder what the Pleiadian’s last words to ATS and your followers will be?

“Reject the skeptics, for they are disinfo Annunaki collaborators”, maybe?

Or “we no longer wish our message to be spread on ATS, because of the skeptics”?

Apologies, I digress.

I also want to take my wife to Canne for afew days and maybe Venice before the weather gets to hot and that city starts smelling like a dump.

This thread is about alien contact, remember, not holiday plans.

So after monday you will be smokingman free, so to speak

Well, I’ll miss you. I truly will.

smokingman2006,

I am really having a hard time trying to swallow that "hit" as well. On the scale of importance to the Church of Scientology you are really a nobody, or slightly less than that.

Why I think that? Because the same friend who told me the Hubbard story from the previous page spent time researching the CoS, their practices, methods, etc, and I happened to be around to listen to him talk about it.

Heck, you posted a piece from Wikipedia, Isn't it obvious you really have to be a royal pain in the butt for them to take serious action and they would most likely take legal action first and foremost because that's just their MO. Much easier and clear to destroy someone financially than to assassinate them, plus it does not carry any criminal allegations.

This "hit" talk to me sounds like an attempt to increase your "value" and importance among supporters, because someone, somewhere would be/is interested in what you write on some forum and they might take a "lethal" action against you to silence you?

"Protect the leader" ?!

For the love of God, snap out of it.

Do you feel like you are living some kind of a script from a novel or a book? A secret agent, or an innocent by-stander drawn into the circumstances, with all the skills and knowledge, who at the end saves the World and gets the girl?

Also, this stuff about fan mail and people being afraid to post? Are you really longing to have a thread turn into a "support group" of delusional people who have lost any sense of objectivity, credibility and critical thinking, and need each other to survive by regurgitating same old information over and over again?

We need to question everything, always, for the sake of others and for our own sake. Increasingly the "reality" does not appear to be real and the signs of it being an "illusion" are becoming more evident.

Something just dawned on me so I went back to read your first post in this thread. Then I thought, how would I write it and here's a brief:

------------

Hi,

I don't know if I'm going crazy or not but something incredible just happened to me last night. I saw a blue glow descend down into the near-by forest and moments later a lady appeared at my back terrace and started telling me this incredible story about what might be coming up in our near future. She said her name was Amizarac and that her people are called Pleiadians.

--- the story ---

I really feel this happened and that she appeared real to me. I simply could not hold the excitement, or the burden of what she said, and had to tell someone, everyone. After some search I found this forum and decided to post this message.

The whole occurrence sounds crazy and I don't want to think that I'm going crazy myself. I'm really just an ordinary fellow, married, have a job, the usual. I'm a smoker and I like drinking wine from time to time, but that's about as far as it goes. I don't take any recreational drugs nor medications, and have no health problems.

I need all of you to be my voices of objectivity and sanity because what I witnessed I can not believe, yet it felt so real. Please help me understand what had just happened to me.

I have been told much more and I'll need some time to sort all that out. I feel that what I was told is very important and concerns us all, as the planet.

I will be posting more soon, after I get some rest and feel the solid ground under my feet again.

Thanks.

--------

So, what do you all think, how does that sound compared to the original message?

Yeah I know, I write English better than he does, but so what? He could've written a message in French and then in English and ask someone to translate the French version for him. But we've gone through this before, as I recall...

Anyways, I am really not calling smokingman2006 dishonest, on the contrary. For all we know something did and still does happen to him and that's why we are still posting here.

But the apparent unwillingness to accept that there could be other possibilities than what is seen with the eyes and heard with the ears is disconcerting to me.

Would you fear that you might be going crazy for what smokingman2006 told us he saw and heard? Questioning your own sanity at such odds is a difficult task and one not likely taken lightly...

reply to post by smokingman2006


So is that it after Monday? Are you coming back later to add anything else? Either way, let me know, so I don't have to bother wading through all of the other posters to get to your next instalment.

Good Luck!

reply to post by -mytym-


Hello –mytym- and welcome to ATS.

So is that it after Monday? Are you coming back later to add anything else? Either way, let me know, so I don't have to bother wading through all of the other posters to get to your next instalment.

I have a question; do you really consider it a chore to “wade” through all of the other posts on this thread, both the pro and con?

I ask this because of your use of the word “installment” to me is rather telling.

One; it tells me that you haven’t hit any ignore buttons yet, and that is to be applauded.

And two; installment is quite the correct terminology for a piece of ongoing pulp fiction.

Just my opinion.

reply to post by Beamish


Hi Beamish,

This is the way I see it.

There are some threads that I'm interested in because of the topic being discussed, in which case I will read through all posts until I lose interest.

There are some threads that I'm interest in because of the experience and/or information being shared by the thread starter, in which case I may not bother reading too many of the other posts.

This thread falls into the second category for me. As I didn't notice it until it was 73 pages long, reading all of the non-smokingman posts was not the preferred option. Luckily after the first couple of pages I noticed that most of the posts contributed little to enhancing my interest in this thread it became clear that for my purposes, they could be ignored.

There are some exceptions however, for example some of the posts by citizen c, or in this instance, when someone replies directly to my own posts.

As far as the legitimacy of the information being shared (or engineered as you believe), I have little interest in verifying it at the present time. I believe that these experiences have happened and are happening to smokingman, and as such, the belief that they are genuine certainly enhances my interest in reading about them. Whether or not they prove to be prohetic remains to be seen. If they do happen to be a complete fabrication, then so be it. What have I lost? At the very least this thread would have achieved the goal of satisfying my interest in it.

Thanks for your time.

Sorry folks Ive lost track of this thread. Something rather pressing came up and now Im totally lost. Whats been going on? Anything? Im a bit tired and tried reading from where I left off but it became too much. Can I have an update?

reply to post by Mr Green


Hi Mr. G,
I can tell you what I know to this point, but I too missed several pages in there. Since I came back in, the discussions have been about mono atomic gold, making ormus with your blender (good stuff!), and trying to figure out a way to get the Pleadian message out to the world.

SM says he is leaving after Monday.

Orzeml told him a story a page or two back about a famous person (you gotta read it.)

Hope that helped a tad, but I am sure the others will catch you up even better. Good to see you.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by blujay]

reply to post by Mr Green


Yes SM said that Orzamel told him that L Ron Hubbard started Scientology for money, (I summarize).

Seentoomuch said I was open minded but now I am done with this thread
(I summarize).

SM said Scientology might put a hit on me.

Beamish said thats crazy. (I paraphrase and summarize)

Amigo said something also I dont recall.

Some new guy ask if SM would be back and that he did not like wading thru the rest of the thread.

Beamish said what do you mean

The new guy explained.


OK nobody get mad at me I was just sort of jokingly summerizing.

Originally posted by blujay
reply to post by Mr Green

 

Hi Mr. G,
I can tell you what I know to this point, but I too missed several pages in there. Since I came back in, the discussions have been about mono atomic gold, making ormus with your blender (good stuff!), and trying to figure out a way to get the Pleadian message out to the world.

SM says he is leaving after Monday.

Orzeml told him a story a page or two back about a famous person (you gotta read it.)

Hope that helped a tad, but I am sure the others will catch you up even better. Good to see you.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by blujay]

Thank you, seems I have missed much. famous people you say? I did see something about scientology mentioned, does this have anything to do with the famous people? Sorry its really lame not reading the posts isnt it, its just Ive had a lot on and I just cant. Please dont say this is cult related I cant take that. Can you tell me about the famous people?

reply to post by Mr Green


Yea, that's what I was talking about... L Ron Hubbard met a dude (annunaki) who posed as some sort of guru and taught him stuff and told him the story of the genetic engineering with the cave men. Hubbard went on to found his 'church'. SM said mr cruise or someone might put a hit on him.... actually this is a pretty good story as I retype it. Too bad I'm not taking any creative writing classes!


[edit on 6-3-2009 by blujay]

reply to post by cindymars


hey thanks for that. Im not really sure what scientology has to do with the nordics but from the week Ive had I can do with out this Why would a Nordic even mention scientology? We dont need to know why Hubbard (or what ever) started scientology do we? Unless it because they the Nordics are offended by that belief that we are all from aliens, that is what Hubbard thought isnt it

Great update Cindy btw, very good my friend.
Is it true that Hubbard died after falling over an uneven pavement? Ive always wondered that? Didnt the aliens promise him eternal life and he fell over a pavement in the end? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Originally posted by blujay
reply to post by Mr Green

 

Yea, that's what I was talking about... L Ron Hubbard met a dude (annunaki) who posed as some sort of guru and taught him stuff and told him the story of the genetic engineering with the cave men. He said mr cruise or someone might put a hit on him.... actually this is a pretty good story as I retype it. Too bad I'm not taking any creative writing classes!

Hubbard was annunaki? Really is scientology based on reptiles I had no idea. Wow this is fascinating stuff.

Im semi serious here and semi not ok. Was it really based on the annunaki?