Palin vs. Obama... Who Has More Experience?

It's a tad more complicated than that.

Joe Schmoe in the Steel Mill wouldn't care about stocks, this is true.

However, investing in stocks is investing in the economy, by and large.

Investing in the economy spurs the economy.

Why do you think Kennedy, Reagan and Clinton had huge success by cutting the Capital Gains tax? It encourged massive investment in the American economy and her companies.

When the economy booms, everyone benefits.

The stock market isn't so much releated to the jobs index. It is certain sectors that are causing a pull on the economy (Housing market and scandals, Manufacturuing base etc.), though the recession is a Global one. It isn't just America who is in a recession. It's most of the world!

Originally posted by tommy_boy
No, not necessarily. What I'm saying is that rising or lowering capital gains tax is less important than the things that truly affect the lives of average americans. Joe in the steel mills and his buddies, more than likely, do not have Cicso stock. The daily lives of average everyday americans is unaffected by a 200 point rally on Wall Street.

The flawed logic is in thinking that Trickle Dow Economics is the best we can do for our middle class and our poor. Joe Steelworker doesn't give a rats behind that Cap Gains went up. They care if they can afford Health Insurance, if they can get more of their paycheck every week, if they can fill their car to get to work.

Plus, if people are really investing in the workforce (not in the stock market), then where are all the jobs?

So true!! this whole entire trickle down theory is a ploy to make the rich richer.

The money goes straight to the ceo's and the controllers who in turn go to a foreign labor market to decrease costs, to sell the cheap stuff to us, to fund them through subsidies, to then further lower their taxes and REPEAT for FOUR or Eight more years,
or until we are at war HERE!

Plutocracies new face!

Originally posted by jetxnet
It's a tad more complicated than that.

Joe Schmoe in the Steel Mill wouldn't care about stocks, this is true.

However, investing in stocks is investing in the economy, by and large.

Investing in the economy spurs the economy.

Why do you think Kennedy, Reagan and Clinton had huge success by cutting the Capital Gains tax? It encourged massive investment in the American economy and her companies.

When the economy booms, everyone benefits.

The stock market isn't so much releated to the jobs index. It is certain sectors that are causing a pull on the economy (Housing market and scandals, Manufacturuing base etc.), though the recession is a Global one. It isn't just America who is in a recession. It's most of the world!

I'm sorry man but what about your country men???

All of those stock on the index are mostly FNC ... They hold no allegiance to AMERICA the beautiful.

This is a race to the bottom

BTW the world is in a recession because we are in a recession!

Do you know how much of the world economy AMERICA inhabits???

This trickle down crap is selling AMERICA to the dogs and I'm tired of it.

Please what will be different if we use the same approach as we have been using for almost a decade?

$13,840,000,000,000.00

2007

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And crickets............................................................................

Where did you all go?

Originally posted by mental modulator
BTW the world is in a recession because we are in a recession!

Huh? We just had 3.3% growth in the 2nd quarter. (I'd love to see 5% growth, but we can't have everything.)

We are not in a recession, but we are in a changing global economy. The trick is to adapt to it at least as fast as it's changing. And that we could do a lot better.

Edit: By the way, I'm thrilled with the choice of Sarah "Baracuda" Palin. She is now the only member of either ticket that has any (12 years) of executive experience.

And, yes, it's 12 years of executive experience of a small town and a small state. But, even though the numbers are smaller, the organization is the same. Bill Clinton was also the governor of a state that is roughly 30% the size of a major city. But the skills needed for the job are 100% applicable and transferable.

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Originally posted by Tuning Spork

Originally posted by mental modulator
BTW the world is in a recession because we are in a recession!

Huh? We just had 3.3% growth in the 2nd quarter. (I'd love to see 5% growth, but we can't have everything.)

We are not in a recession, but we are in a changing global economy. The trick is to adapt to it at least as fast as it's changing. And that we could do a lot better.

Edit: By the way, I'm thrilled with the choice of Sarah "Baracuda" Palin. She is now the only member of either ticket that has any (12 years) of executive experience.

And, yes, it's 12 years of executive experience of a small town and a small state. But, even though the numbers are smaller, the organization is the same. Bill Clinton was also the governor of a state that is roughly 30% the size of a major city. But the skills needed for the job are 100% applicable and transferable.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Tuning Spork]

I think your very mistaken on the economy...

Most importantly this is not translating to the actual American citizen.
Maybe we will need to fall all the way to end this madness.

Go for it, god help us!

Its going to be fun watching the Vice Presidential debates! It'll especially be great watching Sarah clean Joe's clock considering how long HE has been in Washington DC!

She might not have as much "experience" as Obama, but she's ACCOMPLISHED more in a shorter period of time.

Sarah Palin

I LIKE HER!

Its kind of funny. She represents "change" more than the campaign that so professes it! Biden is just Washington DC politics as usual....

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
Huh? We just had 3.3% growth in the 2nd quarter. (I'd love to see 5% growth, but we can't have everything.)

And how does this compensate for the lies and the wasted tax payer money from this administration? Righties will do almost anything to cover up the reality of this current republican administration, even if its just normal growth for once, its always as if this one thing justifies 8years of BS.

How the hell can you sit there and cover their asses just because their republicans?

We are not in a recession, but we are in a changing global economy. The trick is to adapt to it at least as fast as it's changing. And that we could do a lot better.

History tells us that we never know we are in a recession until years after that recession ends. We are either heading for a recession or we are in one currently. America is in a financial crises, oil prices are the highest in decades (even with the decrease still so), council wharehouses have had to appeal for more "food can" donations because there are so many people in need at this moment, the unemployement rate has increased, many corporations are laying off their staff in the 100's and this administration is doing jacksh** at the moment. Meanwhile we have you fellas covering their asses and why? because their republicans. I mean talk about patriotism.

Republicans deny theres a recession, they deny there is global warming, they say theres WMDs in Iraq and then they blame americas problem on socialist problems despite the government being verymuch conservative and voted in by the VERY same republicans. They complain about oil dependence yet their answer is to drill their way out of it in an area that has been previous drilled. Then they conveniently elect an alaskan governor.

By the way, I'm thrilled with the choice of Sarah "Baracuda" Palin. She is now the only member of either ticket that has any (12 years) of executive experience.

BS, i know plenty of righties stating howmuch of an idiot McCain was for pushing Romney aside like that, I know plenty of Hill supporters who are insulted at the blatantly obvious tactic the GOP is pulling off here and I know that there are raids going on in all blogs and forums to cover the mess McCain just put the party through. You can cut the straight talk out, a week ago you wouldnt of known who the woman was and you would have refused the fact of bring here onto the ticket.

Once again her experience is only 6years. She only started to become involved in politics from 2002, her time as mayor of a town with barely 6000 people is not counted as experience for POTUS. If your going to include her time as mayor of some small town in the middle of nowhere Id be most happy to include Obamas time as a law lecturer and a community organizer, maybe then we can compare their experience people.

This is hypocritical of McCain to choose a lesser experience candidate than Obama and his supporters are feeding into his hypocrisy, as usual. You know whats worse? McCain only met her afew days ago, only once before I mean what was this, a last minute decision?

And, yes, it's 12 years of executive experience of a small town and a small state.

No im sorry, no where near executive. She only has 6years experience compared to Obamas 11years. Being a mayor of a town barely 6000 in population for what 6years? in the middle of a state that has 1 person per sq mile, no it doesnt do it. 6years is all she has, nearly half that of Obama and here McCains puts her within two heartbeats of the whitehouse, after all his "experience" talk over these months. Please, you can forget it.

Bill Clinton was also the governor of a state that is roughly 30% the size of a major city. But the skills needed for the job are 100% applicable and transferable.

Bill Clinton was governor of a state that has over 2 million people with a density of around 40 per sq km at the time of his governorship. He was governor of the state from 1979-1981 then again from 1983 to 1987. Before then he was Arkansas Attorney General. And here you are comparing him to a woman who was mayor of a town of 6000 for 6years and only recently became governor of Alaska. Please get your facts straight.

The choice of Palin further highlights the hypocrisy, the flip flopping, the BS coming from the righties, and now their sending in "raids" to cover McCains flop in choosing Palin.

Romney must of refused the VP choice, thats the only rational scenario... surely McCain isnt that ignorant to think women will fall head over heels.


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same ole' familiar posters. Same ole' politics as usual. Same ole' folks sayin' they saw the speech and claim it's just like all others. uh huh. Whatever. You didn't watch it. If you did, and you were honest, you would have to say that it wasn't politics as usual. but whatever. Keep on drinking the Gas, Oil, and Patrolium (GOP) party politics (ie: Karl Rove) cool-aide politics as usual and listen to Limbaugh, Liddy, Reagan, Beck, and the rest of the snot nosed money takers that represent the neo-cons and the right winger base....would any of you dare step foot in a library and try to refute any of your spoon fed claims? I thought nt! Too busy trying to post as many talking points as possible to get rewards....yeah...they give them rewards for the most talking points blogged as per McCain.com.

Oh for shame!

Just read the next half dozen or so posts. D E S P E R A T E......... come onto ats and post the propaganda...gawd times are tough for Bush, McCain and Rove these days...

the one candidate is 72 years old, voted with Bush over the past 8 years 95% of the time. Then he goes and leaves all behind picking one of the most inexperienced ones of all...an extreme right winger from Alaska who before this term as gov. was a mayor of a little burg of less than 9,000. So if McCain happens to kick off, we have this soccer mom running the most powerful economic and military power in the world...are you kidding me McCain? God, hell of a time to play politics Mr.

All of us aught to be mad as hell about this. Utter and complete incompetence. He should have picked Huckabee or Romney...or anyone in the deck of republican cards besides this one...Republican, Democrat, Independant, whatever, you aughta be mad as hell about this!

When they said he was old and loosing his mind, I didn't believe them, now after this choice, I think he might be suffering from lack of cognitive abilities. And he just googled for the first time ever a few weeks ago. McCain has the abilities of your average 11 year old. Is this who we want as the comander in chief of the most technological savey modern industrial largest economy on the planet and biggest military power in the world? He doesn't have the experience to even esist in a modern technological world, and neither does the moose eating, gun toting, bible thumping, snow mobiler from Alaska....what is it going to take to make you folks come to on this? go take a cold shower and snap out of it for god sake!

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Originally posted by southern_Guardian

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
Huh? We just had 3.3% growth in the 2nd quarter. (I'd love to see 5% growth, but we can't have everything.)

And how does this compensate for the lies and the wasted tax payer money from this administration?

I was addressing the claim that we are in an economic recession. I didn't mention the government at all, be it government waste or incompetence.

How the hell can you sit there and cover their asses just because their republicans?

I'm not a Republican, I'm an independent who's voted for Democrats and Republicans as well as Libertarian, Reform and Connecticut Party candidates. Perhaps you're confusing my post with someone else's?

History tells us that we never know we are in a recession until years after that recession ends.

Hmm. I've never heard of that before. Got a reference, SG?

oil prices are the highest in decades (even with the decrease still so), council wharehouses have had to appeal for more "food can" donations because there are so many people in need at this moment, the unemployement rate has increased, many corporations are laying off their staff in the 100's and this administration is doing jacksh** at the moment.

What's a "council warehouse"? Sounds like a British term. Whatever. What would you have the administration do? Outlaw the market and make people buy and sell what the government tells them to?

The economy goes in cycles; there's no way to avoid that. There'll be uptimes and relative downtimes. But, as long as it keeps moving, there'll always be growth. 3.3% growth in one quarter is reasonably healthy. But, like I said, adaptations to a changing market need to be made constantly.

They complain about oil dependence yet their answer is to drill their way out of it in an area that has been previous drilled.

Okay, you've got me baffled with this one. The problem is a dependence on foreign oil, and the solution is to increase domestic production AND develop cleaner renewable energy sources.

Nancy Pelosi's solution is to keep oil prices high in order to motivate the development of alternatives. I think that that is a long term goal and does not justify a lowered supply of oil when demand will only increase in the next decade. Pelosi's solution will result in long term ever skyrocketing gasoline and home heating oil prices.

I am 100% in agreement with Sarah Palin's outlook on this. Watch and listen all the way to the end:

You can cut the straight talk out, a week ago you wouldnt of known who the women was and you would have refused the fact of bring here onto the ticket.

Au contraire. I have been well aware of Governor Palin since last winter when she appeared on Larry Kudlow's program and was first asked if she would accept an invitation to run for Vice President. I'd never heard of her up 'til then, but I became a fan immediately and was ecstatic yesterday morning when I learned that she was picked by McCain.

And, as you can see by this post written in February of '07, she was a favorite of a lot of people before I'd ever heard of her:
palinforvp.blogspot.com...

And once again here political experience is 6years.

Her political experience is 16 years.

She only started in politics since 2002,

She started in politics in 1992.

here time as mayor of a town with barely 6000 people is not counted as experience for POTUS. If your going to include her time as mayor of some small town in the middle of nowhere Id be most happy to include Obamas time as a law lecturer and a community organizer, maybe then we can compare their experience people.

Palin has executive experience. Look at her job decription and her accomplishments versus Obama's.

Being a law professor is a purely academic endeavor that requires a knowledge of the subject and a gift for communicating that knowledge. Communication skills are important for any chief executive and Obama has those skills. But he has no executive experience.

To this day I still don't know what a "community organizer" is. What did he do during that time? Sounds like he must have done a lot of talking and, again, that's an important skill to have. But it's not governmental experience.

Obama then spent eight years in the Illinois state legislature and maybe one year in the United States senate before he began running for President. In all of Sarah Palin's time as a council member, mayor, ethics commissioner and governor, her accomplishments are numerous and impressive. What are Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments?

Bill Clinton was also the governor of a state that is roughly 30% the size of a major city. But the skills needed for the job are 100% applicable and transferable.

Bill Clinton was governor of a state that has over 2 million people with a density of around 40 per sq km at the time of his governorship. He was governor of the state from 1979-1981 then again from 1983 to 1992. Before then he was Arkansas Attorney General. And here you are comparing him to a woman who was mayor of a town of 6000 for 6years and only recently became governor of Alaska. Please get your facts straight.

I stand by my original quote.

Incidentally, Ross Perot (who I voted for in '96 and supported in '92 after Jerry Brown lost the Democratic primary to Clinton) had an interesting exchange with Jim Lehrer in a 1992 debate. Perot made much the same argument about Clinton that you are making about Palin:

Q: Mr. Perot, if you were sitting at home now and just heard this exchange about Arkansas, who would you believe?

PEROT: I grew up five blocks from Arkansas. Let's -- let's put it in perspective. It's a beautiful state, it's a fairly rural state, it has a population less than Chicago or Los Angeles, about the size of Dallas and Fort Worth combined. So I think probably we're making a mistake night after night after night to cast the nation's future on a unit that small.

Q: Why is that a mistake?

PEROT: It's irrelevant. You know, Jim, I ----

Q: What he did as Governor of Arkansas is irrelevant?

PEROT: Oh, no, no, but you can't -- I could say that I ran a small grocery store on the corner, therefore I extrapolate that into the fact that I could run Wal-Mart; that's not true.

Q: Mr. Perot --

Q: Governor --

PEROT: I can't protect an Arkansas company --

Q: Governor --

CLINTON: Mr. Perot, with all respect, I think it highly relevant and I think that a $4 billion budget, with state and Federal funds, is not all that small. And I think the fact that I took a state that was one of the poorest states in the country and had been for 153 years and tried my best to modernize its economy and to make the kind of changes that had generated support from people like the presidents of Apple Computer and Hewlett Packard, and some of the biggest companies in this country, 24 retired generals and admirals and hundreds of business executives are highly relevant, and you know, I'm frankly amazed that, since you grew up five blocks from there you would think that what goes on in that state is irrelevant. I think it's been pretty impressive. And the people who have jobs, the people who have jobs and educations and opportunities that didn't have them 10 years ago don't think it's irrelevant at all. They think it's highly relevant

Again: accomplishments.

The choice of Palin further highlights the hypocrisy, the flip flopping, the BS coming from the righties, and now their sending in "raids" to cover McCains flop in choosing Palin. Please.

Thank you for your esteemed estimation of my station. I'll bill the McCain campaign for my services on Monday.

Romney must of refused the VP choice, thats the only rational scenario...

Perhaps McCain decided against Romney because he knew that choice would only invite accusations of "too many homes" and "doctrinal Mormon racism" and all the other lines of attack that the Obama team was ready to unleash.

I think McCain wanted to shake up the ticket and so he went for Sarah Palin who, ironically, is immune to charges of inexperience at the bottom of their ticket because the Democrats have irrelevant experience at the top of their ticket.

Ah, political season. This is fun.


Edit: lousy typos...

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Palin offers executive experience, not senatorial. Its so much easier to sit around and vote present, than to run an entire state.

Oh, by the way, barry was elected by default, his competition dropped out of the race at the last minute, thus leaving him in the position he is in.

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We are talking about Obama experience since the Dems are saying Plain’s has none.

However I can argue that McCain’s experience is greater than Biden's.

McCain trained as a Naval Aviator and war hero.
Palin trained in Journalism.

Biden trained as a lawyer.
Obama trained as a Muslim.


"Question: Was Barack Obama ever a Muslim? He says no, but the Associated Press found records that showed Obama was in school as a Muslim living in Indonesia and the Obama campaign can't explain why. Maybe it doesn't matter if Obama were a Muslim back then, but it does matter if he's not telling the truth about it now."
--www.exposeobama.com, June 2008.

American's more times than not do not elect Senators over Governors. However with that being said, it's different this year. Why? Because with have 2 Senators running for President. Our States here in America are similar to small countries like over in Europe so it is easy to see why Americans end up electing Governors over Senators. In fact Americans elect Governors, Generals & Vise-Presidents over Senators. Senator don't really lead, they pander to and make deals with other senators to get money from the federal government to spend in their home state.

With that like bit of history being said and that only 3 senators have ever been elected to President (most recent JFK). It is clear that Governors make better leaders than senators.

Let's look at Obama he is a 2 year U.S. Senator for Illinois & In 2005 and 2006, he served on the Environment and Public Works Committee, which safeguards our environment and provides funding for our highways. Senator Obama enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

Let's look at Palin she was elected as Governor of Alaska in 2006. During her first legislative session, Governor Palin’s administration passed two major pieces of legislation – an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws and a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline. Governor Palin is chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multi-state government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She was recently named chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, which is charged with pursuing legislation to ensure state needs are considered as federal policy is formulated in the areas of agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management. Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry. She has served as chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In this role, she worked with local, state and federal officials to promote solutions to the needs of Alaska's communities.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT NOT THE FEELINGS IT IS CLEAR THAT Obama does not have near the experience that Governor Palin has. IN FACT PALIN IS MORE QUALIFIED TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THAN SENATOR OBAMA!

Im sorry to say this, I'm from Illinois. I would like to see a black US President, but Obama is just not the guy. Clinton is better qualified than Obama, but sadly she's not the right guy either. McCain is more qualified but he's not the right guy as well. Biden is not the right guy as well. So with the 2 candidates and their running mates the only one that appears (based on the facts) to be most qualified is Palin.

Originally posted by sonork
reply to post by davion

 

We are talking about Obama experience since the Dems are saying Plain’s has none.

However I can argue that McCain’s experience is greater than Biden's.

McCain trained as a Naval Aviator and war hero.
Palin trained in Journalism.

Biden trained as a lawyer.
Obama trained as a Muslim.


"Question: Was Barack Obama ever a Muslim? He says no, but the Associated Press found records that showed Obama was in school as a Muslim living in Indonesia and the Obama campaign can't explain why. Maybe it doesn't matter if Obama were a Muslim back then, but it does matter if he's not telling the truth about it now."
--www.exposeobama.com, June 2008.

Awwww too bad :[

Originally posted by jamie83

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin

you're scared.

Lol... you're self-projecting.

This is the first time since the primaries began that I felt pretty confidant that Obama has no chance to win.

you refuse to provide proof to back up your #'s and statistics, because you know they are false and conjured.

Andy, you're right. I didn't give you what you demanded. Deal with it.

I did the math for you - who has the most experience?
Obama/Biden

Who has the best experience?
Obama/Biden

No, I will do the math for you. Add McCain's 28 years of experience in the Navy and McCain/Palin have MORE and BETTER experience than two lifetime politicians who have pretty much accomplished very little for all the years of experience you claim they have.

since when is a governor more revered than a senator?

There have been many governors who've made the jump from running a state to running a country. Clinton. Reagan. Bush. Carter. I'm not sure when the last time a junior Senator made that leap.

to the bolded...

So let me get this right.

Obama as a senator doesn't count as experience to you, but a man who was in the Navy and once a P.O.W. is somehow automatically more qualified?

AND

Palin is somehow more experienced than a guy who's been around 40 years?

Cause that's the argument you're throwin' out there.

I dont see how you can discount Obama's experience in Chicago, seriously... this is insane.

So anyone who is going to run for president/vice president and has "executive" by their name AUTOMATICALLY out experiences anyone who was a senator?

2 years vs 8 years is what I see.

Amazing how people ignore the investigation too... cause lord knows if Obama had ANY CRIMINAL past, or even 1 investigation you guys would have had a FIELD DAY sayin how you wouldn't let him in the HOLY house.

Originally posted by TheRooster
reply to post by jamie83

 

You're welcome, but were you thanking me or Wiggin?

Sorry for going off topic here but I just had to put my feelings into words...

I must be alone in my feelings because the MSM is reporting more than 38 million people watched BHO's speech, but I just couldn't do it! The brief moment that I actually watched made me sick to my stomach. I really don't know why either, I don't dislike the man personally, (although I have publicly stated I don't think he's qualified to be POTUS). Add to that what little I had watched of the DNC and I'm left wondering what happened to the humble gentlemen farmers or pioneers of industry that gave birth to this great nation? I wonder what the founding fathers would think if they had witnessed what happened last night?

You mean the racist hicks who had slaves but claimed the U.S. is free? They'd probably get sick just like you did.

that puke in your stomach... was just culture shock to a hidden racist.

WOW Just by looking at the whole thread, i can tell that there are a lot of Obama haters on the ATS, Period. Also, i like to entertain the fact that there are many and i mean many FOX NEWS cool-aid drinkers littering this very Comparable Thread. Now, both candidates have their Pros and Cons but you have to just look at what this VP pick for what it really is. It was just a jester to sway the "Hillary voters", the GOP, at best, is least concerned with making history for a Meaningful cause. I believe this VP pick will back fire to cause the GOP to lose an already lost Election. The GOP always have to provoke a conflict overseas to scare up votes. I have to say just for the reason why she was picked, Gov. Palin is not "ready" to lead the US moving forward. In an interview a few months back she told a reporter, I dont know what a Vice President suppose to do, well i have to say that the comment will come back to haunt her . Just like i said, she is not "ready" to be VP or Pres.