'Two Gays Only Count as One Parent, Therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt':McCain, page 7
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reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 09:55 PM by Griff
reply to post by mybigunit



I'm just going by the standpoint of I know a lot of gay men who have children. Some from previous marriage, some from fertilization with lesbians etc., their children seem fine to me. And I have yet to see an unbiased report that says differently. Course everything is biased in its own way. Including us. Cheers Unit.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 09:56 PM by LogicalPhilosophy
reply to post by Conspiriology



The man doesn't even know where he stands on birth control compared to Viagra, cause someone hasn't given his stance on it yet, so somehow I highly doubt he has done his research on gay adoptions, but let's not get off topic


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:00 PM by Conspiriology
Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to
post by Conspiriology



I'd like to see some impartial, current studies that support your notions, studies not at all linked to religion or anti-gay activist.


Actually,, I am still reading the one you linked,, not bad.

Ill see if I can find those I had posted here before and I understand your concern as a fair proposition.

- Con



reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:00 PM by LogicalPhilosophy
reply to post by saturnine_sweet



Seems to me that you should start pretending to gay to get a job lol jk


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:10 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Conspiriology



What makes you so damn sure he hasn't read anything about it and what makes you so damn sure YOU are right?

What exactly do you believe he will do after reading that websites data?

Change his mind?

Just because he disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean he has not read up on all that you have nor does it mean he would change his mind if only he was as smart are you.

- Con


I have plenty of people in my life that I will never be more intelligent than who disagree with me on issues regarding homosexuality. Intelligence is not the issue here, it is objective decision derived from knowledge. The evidence I have looked over makes it clear that homosexuality may come from nature or nurture, but that it in no way has an adverse affect on society and that one must accept their homosexuality to be a happy, healthy, fully functioning adult.

I wrote a paper in my Social and Political Science class called "All Who Oppose". In detail I examined the arguments against same-sex marriage and gay adoption. There is no substantial, unbiased research that influences anti-gay feelings or opposition to gay marriage and adoption. It is often taken from people's religious stances. There are no sound secular reasons for opposing either gay marriage or gay adoption or homosexuality as a whole. That is simply a reality, and since I live in a secular nation I have trouble dealing with a President who has such beliefs, and find it difficult to believe that someone would make said statement if they were not clouded by biased, and fully educated on the matter.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:10 PM by saturnine_sweet
reply to post by LogicalPhilosophy



You jest, yet that's likely to be a reality in this area, soon. I mean, Im an experienced professional with a decade of experience, highly qualified, and yet I can't even get a call back. But Im sure if I were black or gay I'd at least get an interview. But damn, we white straight folk just put the boots to them poor minorities, now don't we?

Somedays, I hope for something horrible to happen, if for no other reason than to bring a dose of reality to all the people who seem to have completely lost touch with it. It would do the world a whole lot of good.



reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:13 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Conspiriology



Actually,, I am still reading the one you linked,, not bad.

Ill see if I can find those I had posted here before and I understand your concern as a fair proposition.

- Con



Thank you.

Let me make it clear that I do not believe you are a homophobe; the word homophobic has been vastly over used. Nor do I think you are a bigot. I simply disagree heavily with your stance and have the research and information to support my own conclusions, and would like to have all who question my conclusions produce the same amount of credible sources.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:25 PM by Swingarm

The evidence I have looked over makes it clear that homosexuality may come from nature or nurture, but that it in no way has an adverse affect on society and that one must accept their homosexuality to be a happy, healthy, fully functioning adult.
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post by rapinbatsisaltherage



Well sure it has an adverse effect.It turns into a powerfull special interest group that starts pressuring for legislation for exactly whats being discussed now.I really don't think anyone has a problem with gay people.The issue is gays should not be allowed to adopt children. If you disagree it turns into an explosive disscussion that is very multilayered and thats when a whole host of other contributing factors being examined as to how we got here. The feminist movement has a role to play in this disscussion as well. We best not open that up just now though.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:28 PM by Conspiriology
Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to
post by Conspiriology



Actually,, I am still reading the one you linked,, not bad.

Ill see if I can find those I had posted here before and I understand your concern as a fair proposition.

- Con



Thank you.

Let me make it clear that I do not believe you are a homophobe; the word homophobic has been vastly over used. Nor do I think you are a bigot. I simply disagree heavily with your stance and have the research and information to support my own conclusions, and would like to have all who question my conclusions produce the same amount of credible sources.


Well,, frankly,, I feel like this:

If I was a small child I would want parents who loved me and cared about me, went to my baseball games, soccer etc; Gay or Not. Since I'd have never had a childhood before to compare it too, I personally don't think I'd be any worse off than with foster parents and certainly not as bad off having none. Now as an adult, who loves kids, I also would like to see the same loving opportunities. It really does take two to raise a child, even one can cost more than we anticipate and always more than we imagined. The social mold and genre McCain comes from is not likely to change on this matter regardless of his being educated more on the topic.

It is just my opinion having a Father around his age.

Warm Regards

- Con


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:29 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Swingarm



Well sure it has an adverse effect.

Have proof that this sexuality has an adverse affect on society? The actions you mention are done by human beings, not the sexuality, possibly these human beings have an adverse affect in your opinion just as straight human beings can.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:39 PM by Conspiriology
Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to
post by Swingarm



Well sure it has an adverse effect.

Have proof that this sexuality has an adverse affect on society? The actions you mention are done by human beings, not the sexuality, possibly these human beings have an adverse affect in your opinion just as straight human beings can.


Umm I think he was just being facetious darlin, at least It looked that way to me

- Con


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:44 PM by Swingarm
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage





The actions you mention are done by human beings, not the sexuality


This seems to be a perversion of logic to me. Would you expand on this. I think for the most part the specicial interest group would be created from the people who are motivated by the sexuality no?


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:51 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Swingarm



Since when does being motivated by sexuality make a sexuality adversive towards humanity? Religion has often been an oppressive force in many societies, do you blame the religion that fuels the people or the people who are fueled by the religion?


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 10:56 PM by Swingarm
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage





Since when does being motivated by sexuality make a sexuality adversive towards humanity?


Since the little people who are affected by this legislation are just along for the ride with no choice of their own. Or are they not part of humanity?
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