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'Two Gays Only Count as One Parent, Therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt':McCain

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posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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reply to post by mybigunit
 


I'm just going by the standpoint of I know a lot of gay men who have children. Some from previous marriage, some from fertilization with lesbians etc., their children seem fine to me. And I have yet to see an unbiased report that says differently. Course everything is biased in its own way. Including us. Cheers Unit.




posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 09:56 PM
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The man doesn't even know where he stands on birth control compared to Viagra, cause someone hasn't given his stance on it yet, so somehow I highly doubt he has done his research on gay adoptions, but let's not get off topic



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Conspiriology
 


I'd like to see some impartial, current studies that support your notions, studies not at all linked to religion or anti-gay activist.


Actually,, I am still reading the one you linked,, not bad.

Ill see if I can find those I had posted here before and I understand your concern as a fair proposition.

- Con



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:00 PM
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Seems to me that you should start pretending to gay to get a job lol jk



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
I know that I have a hard time finding a job, because employers here are asking for gays and minorities to apply. Seems like the heteros are getting the shaft, to me.


Reminds me of the South Park episode "They took our jobs!!!!".

www.southparkstudios.com...

Why would employers be looking for gays? Are you a hair dresser or something?[/sarcasm] What would a gay person have over you to get a job?

[edit on 7/15/2008 by Griff]



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
Social issues for the child aside, it is not a good situation to put any child in simply because there will be as much of a void in the parenting as there would be with a single parent. Why is that so hard to see? Does the word "gay" make everyone feel the need to lie down and give them anything they want, for fear of being labeled a hater?


Yeah I know how ya feel and have been in many threads of this volatile a subject and the moment I said anything contrary to the Gay consensus, I was ripped on as having bigotry, homophobia, hate, mental retardation, and a host of personal insults and religion associated "fundie" crap.

So far tho It's been pretty tame and I am just reading over some of the links I got from several here.


- Con



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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What makes you so damn sure he hasn't read anything about it and what makes you so damn sure YOU are right?

What exactly do you believe he will do after reading that websites data?

Change his mind?

Just because he disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean he has not read up on all that you have nor does it mean he would change his mind if only he was as smart are you.

- Con


I have plenty of people in my life that I will never be more intelligent than who disagree with me on issues regarding homosexuality. Intelligence is not the issue here, it is objective decision derived from knowledge. The evidence I have looked over makes it clear that homosexuality may come from nature or nurture, but that it in no way has an adverse affect on society and that one must accept their homosexuality to be a happy, healthy, fully functioning adult.

I wrote a paper in my Social and Political Science class called "All Who Oppose". In detail I examined the arguments against same-sex marriage and gay adoption. There is no substantial, unbiased research that influences anti-gay feelings or opposition to gay marriage and adoption. It is often taken from people's religious stances. There are no sound secular reasons for opposing either gay marriage or gay adoption or homosexuality as a whole. That is simply a reality, and since I live in a secular nation I have trouble dealing with a President who has such beliefs, and find it difficult to believe that someone would make said statement if they were not clouded by biased, and fully educated on the matter.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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You jest, yet that's likely to be a reality in this area, soon. I mean, Im an experienced professional with a decade of experience, highly qualified, and yet I can't even get a call back. But Im sure if I were black or gay I'd at least get an interview. But damn, we white straight folk just put the boots to them poor minorities, now don't we?

Somedays, I hope for something horrible to happen, if for no other reason than to bring a dose of reality to all the people who seem to have completely lost touch with it. It would do the world a whole lot of good.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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Actually,, I am still reading the one you linked,, not bad.

Ill see if I can find those I had posted here before and I understand your concern as a fair proposition.

- Con



Thank you.

Let me make it clear that I do not believe you are a homophobe; the word homophobic has been vastly over used. Nor do I think you are a bigot. I simply disagree heavily with your stance and have the research and information to support my own conclusions, and would like to have all who question my conclusions produce the same amount of credible sources.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:20 PM
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I'd like to point out the hypocrisy of gays.

For those that may be too young to remember, there was a time during the 70's and early 80's, before the word "gay" became official, that those practicing homosexuality preferred the phrase "alternative lifestyle".

Anyone remember that?

Is this "alternative lifestyle" now suppose to cross over to family life as well, without any resistance from the "traditional family"?



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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The evidence I have looked over makes it clear that homosexuality may come from nature or nurture, but that it in no way has an adverse affect on society and that one must accept their homosexuality to be a happy, healthy, fully functioning adult.
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Well sure it has an adverse effect.It turns into a powerfull special interest group that starts pressuring for legislation for exactly whats being discussed now.I really don't think anyone has a problem with gay people.The issue is gays should not be allowed to adopt children. If you disagree it turns into an explosive disscussion that is very multilayered and thats when a whole host of other contributing factors being examined as to how we got here. The feminist movement has a role to play in this disscussion as well. We best not open that up just now though.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Conspiriology
 


Actually,, I am still reading the one you linked,, not bad.

Ill see if I can find those I had posted here before and I understand your concern as a fair proposition.

- Con



Thank you.

Let me make it clear that I do not believe you are a homophobe; the word homophobic has been vastly over used. Nor do I think you are a bigot. I simply disagree heavily with your stance and have the research and information to support my own conclusions, and would like to have all who question my conclusions produce the same amount of credible sources.


Well,, frankly,, I feel like this:

If I was a small child I would want parents who loved me and cared about me, went to my baseball games, soccer etc; Gay or Not. Since I'd have never had a childhood before to compare it too, I personally don't think I'd be any worse off than with foster parents and certainly not as bad off having none. Now as an adult, who loves kids, I also would like to see the same loving opportunities. It really does take two to raise a child, even one can cost more than we anticipate and always more than we imagined. The social mold and genre McCain comes from is not likely to change on this matter regardless of his being educated more on the topic.

It is just my opinion having a Father around his age.

Warm Regards

- Con



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:29 PM
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Well sure it has an adverse effect.

Have proof that this sexuality has an adverse affect on society? The actions you mention are done by human beings, not the sexuality, possibly these human beings have an adverse affect in your opinion just as straight human beings can.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
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Well sure it has an adverse effect.

Have proof that this sexuality has an adverse affect on society? The actions you mention are done by human beings, not the sexuality, possibly these human beings have an adverse affect in your opinion just as straight human beings can.


Umm I think he was just being facetious darlin, at least It looked that way to me

- Con



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45
I think the whole idea of gay adoptions is rather selfish. Imagine the ridicule and harrassment the kid would have to deal with at school on a daily basis. Maybe the two parents are mature enough to deal with the rejection and cruel comments, but why subject an innocent child to that kind of abuse? We all know that kids can be extremely cruel to those who are different or not part of the clique.

Before you go flaming me, First think how would you have felt if you had that type of living arrangement as a child? Remember just how cruel little kids really can be because you're short, fat, don't have nice clothes, etc..




[edit on 7/15/08 by LLoyd45]

AMEN! Gayness is evil caused by liberals!



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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The actions you mention are done by human beings, not the sexuality


This seems to be a perversion of logic to me. Would you expand on this. I think for the most part the specicial interest group would be created from the people who are motivated by the sexuality no?



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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Since when does being motivated by sexuality make a sexuality adversive towards humanity? Religion has often been an oppressive force in many societies, do you blame the religion that fuels the people or the people who are fueled by the religion?



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:53 PM
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If this is a direct quote from McCain...
'Two Gays Only Count as One Parent, Therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt':McCain
...I've only to point out one similarity in American History: Weren't the Pre-Civil War slaves only counted as three-fifths of a person when the government was polling for population numbers?


I would guess that McCain would actually prefer living in a world that so degrades fellow human beings to the point that he denies their status as human beings...Is this the kind of person that should even participate in any government?



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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Since when does being motivated by sexuality make a sexuality adversive towards humanity?


Since the little people who are affected by this legislation are just along for the ride with no choice of their own. Or are they not part of humanity?



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
If this is a direct quote from McCain...
'Two Gays Only Count as One Parent, Therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt':McCain
...I've only to point out one similarity in American History: Weren't the Pre-Civil War slaves only counted as three-fifths of a person when the government was polling for population numbers?


I would guess that McCain would actually prefer living in a world that so degrades fellow human beings to the point that he denies their status as human beings...Is this the kind of person that should even participate in any government?



Its immoral! Jesus will smite them all! This is the true liberal conspiracy!



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