Originally posted by optimus primal
whoa, i didn't mean that to look like a personal attack. in retrospect it does, but that wasn't my intent. i find the idea ignorant, but i wasn't trying to attack you personally.

No problem. Just a misunderstanding on both our behalves.

I refuse to be drawn into the 'Is gay Ok' debate being had by some posters.

From the view point of the child , as half the dominant species on the planet are female and the other half male , in my opinion the prime, optimum situation for raising any child must be to have examples of both as the two major rolemodels in said childs upbringing.

Again this is my opinion as what is best for a child and in no way implies that 2 men or 2 woman's love for their child would be less than anyone elses.

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
I refuse to be drawn into the 'Is gay Ok' debate being had by some posters.

Why? You might grasp some understanding on that perspective.

From the view point of the child , as half the dominant species on the planet are female and the other half male , in my opinion the prime, optimum situation for raising any child must be to have examples of both as the two major rolemodels in said childs upbringing.

Like I said, children are cruel. They'll make fun of anything different. My parents are straight. Imagine what it was like growing up with a father that was a cop and a mother that was Jehovah's Witness.

I'm pretty sure that kids raised by gays would have a lot more slack than that.

It's not hard to follow McCain's logic. He apparently thinks children need to be raised by both sexes. But I think he's wrong. Plenty of children are raised by single parents and come out well adjusted. Besides, better to have one parent than none.

Originally posted by intrepid



Why? You might grasp some understanding on that perspective.

Because the thread is not about if a Homosexual lifestyle should be accepted in mainstream society or even at the individual level.

It's about Gay couples bringing up children.

From the view point of the child , as half the dominant species on the planet are female and the other half male , in my opinion the prime, optimum situation for raising any child must be to have examples of both as the two major rolemodels in said childs upbringing.

Like I said, children are cruel. They'll make fun of anything different. My parents are straight. Imagine what it was like growing up with a father that was a cop and a mother that was Jehovah's Witness.

I'm pretty sure that kids raised by gays would have a lot more slack than that.

Again You miss understand me, my post is not about the ability of the upbringers to prepare a child for the rigours of society around them.

Its about the childs ability to deal with the human race as a whole in the long run.

As always this issue is a hot one My position has been stated. have a fine evening all

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
i think Both my posts state what i believe is best for a 'Child' - a male and female rolemodel.

but is it wrong to be Gay? that is not what this thread is about.

Or is it wrong to be Gay and want your cake and eat it? thats a different argument of wether we should allow science to change natural law.

We're going there? Gay = unnatural? I'll debate that in the Debate forum against anyone.

Any takers?

Originally posted by intrepid


We're going there? Gay = unnatural? I'll debate that in the Debate forum against anyone.

Any takers?

It isnt natural its a lifestyle or some chemical imbalance. The fact is if homosexuality was natural we would ALL be screwed. No reproduction. No need to debate I ended it there.

[edit on 15-7-2008 by mybigunit]

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
i think Both my posts state what i believe is best for a 'Child' - a male and female rolemodel.

but is it wrong to be Gay? that is not what this thread is about.

Or is it wrong to be Gay and want your cake and eat it? thats a different argument of wether we should allow science to change natural law.

We're going there? Gay = unnatural? I'll debate that in the Debate forum against anyone.

Any takers?

Pls quote me in the above post where i said Gay is unnatural?

I Said "Is it wrong to be Gay that is not what this thread is about'

i did not Say 'It is wrong to be Gay' - you do not know my views on this , but just for you i believe people can be what they want as long as they don't hurt other people, who has the right to say what two consenting people do with each other?.

The have your cake and eat it quote is a reference as to should society allow Science to intefere with natural law, Ie it takes a Male AND a Female to have a child , unless science steps in , in some capacity. This is a Natural law is it not? - again i did not say being Gay was unatural. pls think deeper than that.

So to me this is a more important discussion , and philosophical thought than my opinion on 2 same sex parents bringing up a child.

But i stand by my opinion that in the 'Current' world make up a role model for each of the two main sexes is the 'Optimum' upbringing situation.
This does not mean that other situations should be excluded. it is just in my opinion the optimum.

Originally posted by mybigunit
It isnt natural its a lifestyle or some chemical imbalance. The fact is if homosexuality was natural we would ALL be screwed. No reproduction. No need to debate I ended it there.

OK. Fine. Would you like to go head to head on this issue and have it judged independent of political bias? Just on the issues merit?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by mybigunit
It isnt natural its a lifestyle or some chemical imbalance. The fact is if homosexuality was natural we would ALL be screwed. No reproduction. No need to debate I ended it there.

OK. Fine. Would you like to go head to head on this issue and have it judged independent of political bias? Just on the issues merit?

Ack I really didnt want to because I wanted to get to bed early...with that said just like in real life if Im challenged to something I have to take it...But I get the first shots So where do we meet?

[edit on 15-7-2008 by mybigunit]

Incredible by the views of many here, we should still be burning witches, stoning prostitutes and any social deviants, that means fornicators, gays and disenters.

Unbelivable.

[edit on 15-7-2008 by marg6043]

I'm all about maintaining the nuclear family on this issue. You can tsk tsk all you like