'Two Gays Only Count as One Parent, Therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt':McCain

reply to post by Techsnow


WEll apparently you have all the secret knowledge of Sin and whats a crime and whats Right....lol, please!

Here you go...u Pagan Sun-Worshipper...I mean Christian Bible thumper.

www.biblelogic.com...

Christians lost the battle along time ago...they just dont read outside the mistranslated bible to know it. lol

Please, we are begging you all to grow up so we can re-create this world into something exciting....what does it take

reply to post by Griff

Roy and Silo, two chinstrap penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan.

Yes wel if you do the research you will see, Zoo = prison two places were this happens quite naturaly. The reason being it's not a natural environment.

[edit on 15-7-2008 by Swingarm]

Originally posted by Griff

Research Overview of Lesbian and Gay Parenting

Research to date has reached an unequivocal conclusion about gay parenting: the children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as successfully as the children of heterosexual parents. In fact, not a single study has found the children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged because of their parents’ sexual orientation. Other key findings include:


There is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents. Home environments with lesbian and gay parents are as likely to successfully support a child’s development as those with heterosexual parents.

Good parenting is not influenced by sexual orientation. Rather, it is influenced most profoundly by a parent’s ability to create a loving and nurturing home -- an ability that does not depend on whether a parent is gay or straight.

There is no evidence to suggest that the children of lesbian and gay parents are less intelligent, suffer from more problems, are less popular, or have lower self-esteem than children of heterosexual parents.

The children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as happy, healthy and well-adjusted as the children of heterosexual parents.

www.acluutah.org...

All that needs saying.

Are you kidding me! Get real guy I have posted more studies than that to the contrary and there are hundreds of threads al through this place with it. One look at where you got that and you might as well be talking to a gay atheist owned by the ACLU as a stepford pamphleteer, cheering the virtues of gay parents, pom poms in hand.

Try showing something a scandalous bit more unbiased perhaps?

- Con

Actualy in a SANE world presidents would be very unsure of themselves and open to ideas to change their mind.

Not pretend they have all the answers and they know everything. Its this false sense of security. Like having some brave man to take careof all our problems...like hes sure he knows hes doing the right thing...

One parent is better than none. What about foster kids?

I agree with the one guy....Has anyone seen these ghetto thug moms?

I could have half my brain removed, get hit by a truck and smoke weed all day and raise better kids then some of these people i consider animal human hybrids.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Apparently Mr. McCain is not aware of thirty years of research on this subjet. Would it kill him to visit the APA's web site before he lets this crap slip out of his mouth?

www.apa.org...

[edit on 15-7-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

McCain is an adoptive parent. I applaud him for that.

I don't know if he was saying that 'two gays only count as one parent'
when it comes to how most adoption agencies see it (that's true) or if
he was saying that IN HIS OPINION two gays only count as one parent,
and if that's HIS OPINION then that's pretty bad.

I'm kinda confused on which it is.

If it's his opinion that two gays only equal one parent ...
he's entitled to his opinion but as far as I'm concerned it's

** Edited to add - when I say 'most adoptive agencies' I am using 10 year old information - that which we ran into and learned while we were in the adoptive process. It could be different now.



[edit on 7/15/2008 by FlyersFan]

reply to post by Conspiriology



Ok. Here ya go.

The kids are all right

Research shows that families headed by gay and lesbian parents are as healthy as traditional families, but misperceptions linger.

www.apa.org...

In 1999 and 2000 they conducted the largest national assessment of families headed by gay people who chose to participate. Data were collected from 415 parents -- 336 lesbian mothers and 79 gay fathers -- living with their minor children in 34 states and the District of Columbia.

Succeeding as Gay Parents


Scores of earlier studies have already shown that on virtually every level of psychological adjustment -- including peer relationships, gender development, intelligence, school performance and sexual orientation -- children raised by gay parents are not significantly different from those raised by straight parents.

query.nytimes.com...

Originally posted by onlyhurtsu
Actualy in a SANE world presidents would be very unsure of themselves and open to ideas to change their mind.
One parent is better than none. What about foster kids?

I agree with the one guy....Has anyone seen these ghetto thug moms?

I take it you don't have any kids ?

I could have half my brain removed, get hit by a truck and smoke weed all day and raise better kids then some of these people i consider animal human hybrids.

Experience? or a new theory you are going to try?

Not pretend they have all the answers and they know everything. Its this false sense of security. Like having some brave man to take careof all our problems...like hes sure he knows hes doing the right thing.

I think he was only asked the one question and he gave his opinion which is just as valid as yours is. He was never asked all the questions of the world so where do you get off assuming he thinks he has all the answers for the world? I can see why some may play politics and you 'll never really know who to vote for because no matter what they say if it is Nay to Gay, than he is wrong about everything else too then.

BTW,, the sane world you speak of where a President is better to be unsure of himself doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence in people much less VOTES. Just because he doesn't compromise his convictions to where ever the gay political wind is blowing, doesn't mean he is insane nor does it mean he isn't open to ideas. It just means he isn't open for your ideas.

Oh well

- Con

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

Ok. Here ya go.

The kids are all right

Research shows that families headed by gay and lesbian parents are as healthy as traditional families, but misperceptions linger.

www.apa.org...

In 1999 and 2000 they conducted the largest national assessment of families headed by gay people who chose to participate. Data were collected from 415 parents -- 336 lesbian mothers and 79 gay fathers -- living with their minor children in 34 states and the District of Columbia.

Succeeding as Gay Parents


Scores of earlier studies have already shown that on virtually every level of psychological adjustment -- including peer relationships, gender development, intelligence, school performance and sexual orientation -- children raised by gay parents are not significantly different from those raised by straight parents.

query.nytimes.com...

Well thanks anyway Griff, but not exactly what I had in mind for being impartial. Both studies were done by Gay co parents, then when you look up the four doctors, they are activist in their respective area for this kind of legislation. I'm sorry, I can't believe two Gay Co-Parents with an axe to grind for furthering an agenda for Government changed legislation are going to make an impartial scientific study.

- Con

As much as I detest McCain, I think I have to agree. Its not about "infecting the child." like someone felt the need to try to turn it into; its about one of the biggest issues that has led to the crumbling society in which we live today: the destruction of the traditional household. It has worked for all of time; since we've seen it decline, we've seen an unprecedented rise is crime and social behavior issues. Life requires balance. Just as a single parent should not adopt, because of this lack of balance, a same-sex marriage is equally unbalanced. Social issues for the child aside, it is not a good situation to put any child in simply because there will be as much of a void in the parenting as there would be with a single parent. Why is that so hard to see? Does the word "gay" make everyone feel the need to lie down and give them anything they want, for fear of being labeled a hater?

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

Ok. Here ya go.

The kids are all right

Research shows that families headed by gay and lesbian parents are as healthy as traditional families, but misperceptions linger.

www.apa.org...

In 1999 and 2000 they conducted the largest national assessment of families headed by gay people who chose to participate. Data were collected from 415 parents -- 336 lesbian mothers and 79 gay fathers -- living with their minor children in 34 states and the District of Columbia.

Succeeding as Gay Parents


Scores of earlier studies have already shown that on virtually every level of psychological adjustment -- including peer relationships, gender development, intelligence, school performance and sexual orientation -- children raised by gay parents are not significantly different from those raised by straight parents.

query.nytimes.com...

Well thanks anyway Griff, but not exactly what I had in mind for being impartial. Both studies were done by Gay co parents, then when you look up the four doctors, they are activist in their respective area for this kind of legislation. I'm sorry, I can't believe two Gay Co-Parents with an axe to grind for furthering an agenda for Government changed legislation are going to make an impartial scientific study.

- Con

Well so, he should get information that proves your side of the story? That really doesn't sound impartial to me. He's actually trying to get information, while you sit back and go "no, nope, wrong, wrong, lies, Gays are bad parents scientifically, go find me that point Griff", *sigh*.

reply to post by Conspiriology


Well thanks anyway Griff, but not exactly what I had in mind for being impartial. Both studies were done by Gay co parents, then when you look up the four doctors, they are activist in their respective area for this kind of legislation. I'm sorry, I can't believe two Gay Co-Parents with an axe to grind for furthering an agenda for Government changed legislation are going to make an impartial scientific study.

What proof do you have that all the research the APA has done over the years is flawed and biased?

We're Being Brainwashed to be Gay
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
December 12, 2001

I want you to compare the messages you are getting about two very different groups: homosexuals and nuclear families.

Homosexuals:

According to many psychiatrists, homosexuality is a state of arrested development caused by having an unloving father, and a controlling overbearing mother. As one gay acquaintance said, referring to his father, "I always wanted the love of a man."

Gay behavior is often characterized by extreme promiscuity (100's of partners); anonymous sex (typified by the "glory hole"); wallowing in feces and urine; and sadomasochism. This behavior is the cause of AIDS. The powerful gay lobby's refusal to allow preventive measures has resulted in a deadly epidemic. And because some gays insisted on donating blood, many hemophiliacs and others became infected. (See "A Radical Holocaust" in The Politics of Bad Faith (1998) by David Horowitz)

What is the message government and media give us about this self-destructive behavior? We're told that we are bigots and hate mongers to question it. We're told that AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease that affects everyone equally. We must all practice "safe sex" and teach it to children in schools. This is a lie. Seventy five per cent of AIDS fatalities are gay. The rest get it from infected needles or blood transfusions. (See The Myth of Heterosexual Aids (1990) by Michael Fumento) We are told that homosexuality as like left-handedness. It is "a sexual orientation" as normal as heterosexuality. It is a matter of socialization. If a baby boy is given dolls or dressed in pink, he'll act like a girl. There is no such thing as biological sexual instinct. (For how untrue this is, see "As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl" (2000) by John Colapinto)

Nuclear Families:

Unlike homosexuals who are normal, nuclear families are almost always dysfunctional. Have you ever seen a positive portrayal? The worst offender is the "patriarchal" father, who labors to provide for his wife and children. After consulting with his family, he may insist on providing leadership. In times of war or danger, he may sacrifice his life. But don't be fooled. He is usually a violent alcoholic who beats and sexually abuses his wife and children.

Almost as evil as the patriarchal father is the poor dupe called the "wife," "homemaker" or "mother." This is a woman who actually feels a profound connection to her husband and child. She calls it "love." Because of it, she will nurture her child herself, which is very bad for her career. Inevitably, government sponsored programs or the media will teach her that she is a prisoner of "oppressive stereotypes" and she will divorce.

Conclusion:

People who fornicate like rabbits, wallow in # and cause deadly epidemics are normal. People who sacrifice their lives for love, who nurture and create the next generation, are "oppressors" "doormats", or "old fashioned." This campaign to make heterosexuals act like homosexuals is not an accident.

Heterosexuality is not defined by the sex of your partner. Heterosexuality is a life cycle consisting of courtship, marriage (as an evolving union), and parenthood. Each stage is necessary for our emotional and spiritual development. Ultimately, heterosexuality is about our relationship to God, expressed through our mate and our children.

In contrast, homosexuality is arrested development, and as such it is a perversion. Specifically, most gays are stuck in the adolescent courtship stage, or what is called "sexual liberation." Increasingly gays are holding up their mirror to us, and convincing us to be just like them. Heterosexual society is imitating gay behavior in its obsession with sex and appearance, promiscuity, and child aversion. All human relationships are being made sexual, including adult-child. The symptoms of our arrested development are seen in plummeting birth rates, epidemics of adultery, divorce, out of wedlock childbirth, pornography child abuse, STD's, and violent crimes involving sadomasochism.

Heterosexuals are a Persecuted Majority:

Powerful forces in government, corporations, media and education are brainwashing us. Daily, they assault our identities as males and females, husband and wives, fathers and mothers. They assail the dynamics by which heterosexuals connect and love. Heterosexuality is based on an exchange of woman's power for man's love. Women want love; men want power. I counsel men. Ninety per cent of marriage breakups are due to women being brainwashed to seek "equality" which in practice means controlling and emasculating their husbands.

Gay and feminist activists pretend society is oppressing them when in fact heterosexual society is the victim. This is passive aggressive. They are clubbing us over the head and then calling us homophobes for reacting. But gays and feminists are just pawns, empowered and manipulated by greater forces. The ultimate purpose is some kind of "New World Order" where emotionally starved people who have no culture or identity can be manipulated by sexual signals.

To understand how sinister this is, read Dr. Judith Reisman's article about the Hepatitis B vaccinations of normal American children. Hepatitis B is venereal disease, which is rarely found in children unless they are infected by their birth mother. It is not a threat to the vast majority of American children. But it is a threat to pedophiles because it identifies a child who has been sexually abused. According to Reisman, in order to protect pedophiles, more than 80% of newborn American children are being injected with this vaccine which may have dangerous side effects. Reisman writes: "Government justifications for imperiling the health of all healthy American newborns as a means of protecting a largely antisocial adult sex and drug subculture is without historical or scientific precedent."

Then buy, John W. DeCamp's "The Franklin Cover Up" (1996). This is a chilling description of how the investigation of a nationwide child sex ring was suppressed because it lead directly to Capitol Hill.

In conclusion, we are lulled into believing that we are in a Golden Age, the "end of history." But events like Sept. 11 are a rude reminder that the passions and perversions that shaped the past will shape the future. Judeo Christian civilization is being overthrown and replaced with a new fascist totalitarianism. The plan requires the destruction of our sources of individual strength and meaning, the nuclear family. We must organize and act. We must bombard politicians, media and corporations with the message that we are on to them, and they will pay.

Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
As much as I detest McCain, I think I have to agree. Its not about "infecting the child." like someone felt the need to try to turn it into; its about one of the biggest issues that has led to the crumbling society in which we live today: the destruction of the traditional household. It has worked for all of time; since we've seen it decline, we've seen an unprecedented rise is crime and social behavior issues. Life requires balance. Just as a single parent should not adopt, because of this lack of balance, a same-sex marriage is equally unbalanced. Social issues for the child aside, it is not a good situation to put any child in simply because there will be as much of a void in the parenting as there would be with a single parent. Why is that so hard to see? Does the word "gay" make everyone feel the need to lie down and give them anything they want, for fear of being labeled a hater?

I don't think that is the reason, I think the reason is that anytime these kind of issues come up, people always have to run up in arms about allowing the gays anything at all, maybe not, I'm just saying

reply to post by Conspiriology


I'd like to see some impartial, current studies that support your notions, studies not at all linked to religion or anti-gay activist.

reply to post by Griff


Umm I think I said in my post that there would be some gay couples that would make great parents. I used the animal analogy just to show you that you really dont see gay animals raising their young. Thats all. No offense Griff and I know you are gay I just dont feel that gay couples should not be in the business of parenting. Im for people choosing the lifestyles they want to live but you have to think of the kid and Im sorry I just dont think that is a good think. "hello I would like you to meet my parents Adam and Steve"...it just doesnt sound right sorry Griff.

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
reply to post by forsakenwayfarer

 

Okay, but common sense dictates if you want to be the president, you give some purple prose or something, something to not piss-off certain people. McCain has little awareness of this, obviously.

The irony in your statement is that of course if you advocate gay adoption a certain amount of pissed off people will result, and vice versa.

So common sense would dictate if you want to be pres-o-dent you should appease the larger voting audience.

Not that I advocate poitics or anything.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage


Apparently Mr. McCain is not aware of thirty years of research on this subjet. Would it kill him to visit the APA's web site before he lets this crap slip out of his mouth?

www.apa.org...

[edit on 15-7-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

What makes you so damn sure he hasn't read anything about it and what makes you so damn sure YOU are right?

What exactly do you believe he will do after reading that websites data?

Change his mind?

Just because he disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean he has not read up on all that you have nor does it mean he would change his mind if only he was as smart are you.

- Con

reply to post by saturnine_sweet

I agree with you, but if we cannot stop homosexuality we should at least protect children from being exposed to those influences, by not allowing any adoptions by gay couples.

reply to post by LogicalPhilosophy


What are gays not allowed without logical reasons that are comparable to situations with heteros? Marriage? The issue with that for me isn't about a union....good for them if they want to commit to each other. No one has stopped them from doing that in any sort of ceremony they want to, except for LEGAL ones....and that is also about having children. Tax laws for married people are for the raising of families, as having a family is a natural result of their union of love. It is not a natural result of homosexual love, and thus they should not receive the same benefits. Can you think of anything else?

I know that I have a hard time finding a job, because employers here are asking for gays and minorities to apply. Seems like the heteros are getting the shaft, to me.