Sharon Stone:China earthquake is karma

reply to post by zhangxi0183


Maybe her timing is off. But the question is legit, and she is just voicing what many people are thinking.
While you are pulling them from the wreckage, It might be inappropriate to chide a victim of a car crash; about the reason of their plight being their speeding.
Since the defenders of Chinas polices, didn't want to let Sharons statement be dropped to a latter time. I'll add my two cents worth.
5 million homeless earthquake victims in China; does correlate with the whole population of Tibet they made homeless. (no homeland) Some would call that "Karma"!

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Originally posted by Howie47
5 million homeless earthquake victims in China; does correlate with 5 million they made homeless in Tibet. Some would call that "Karma"!

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well, the american funded Tibet riots happend in 3.14 did cost a few lives(including Han Chinese and Tibetan Chinese).
but we take care of it very quickly and wouldn't let our citizen go through what people in New Orleans have been gone through.
as a matter of fact. the population of Tibetan Chinese have almost tripled from 1950-2000. on the contrary, the population of indians in america almost disappeared. quite a massacre.

and for your information. the popuation of tibet is 2.8 million. so, you might want to do some research before you say there are 50 billion people killed by evil China.

peace.

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reply to post by Howie47


every year thousands if not millions of people are killed by natural disasters,including people in the us.most of them are innocent people,can you find karma for them?what if somebody in your family were killled by an accident,would you call it karma?

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reply to post by Anonymous ATS


这样幸灾乐祸，迟早厄运会发生在你身上！
这样也叫“报应”！
Dear Sharon Stone ,if you can't understand what I wrote ,please don't judge anything , because you don't know anything about China,you don't know the charater;you don't know the history,the don't know the situation of present China !
How pity you are! Stupid , Childish,Ignorant !
Think about your words!

reply to post by Howie47


Everyone in the west has become a Tibet-China expert, after reading one or two news reports. This guy is surely such an expert. He is even a water expert. So knowledgable.

After we have repeatedly tell them that 55% of population in Aba, the epicentre of the quake, are actually Tibetans and they are still selling the karma thing. If you are really with Tibetans, at least you should show some respect to those Tibetans who died in the quake. Be careful, u might be haunted by the spirits of the dead ones, especially those Tibetans who died in the quake.

Originally posted by haidian
personal cult is forbidden here

Unless it is adoring a honarary alumni of the PRC Intelligence & Public Relation Academy

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists: Uhmmm, I hope you realized that this statement to my fellow brainwashed propagandist is merely a joke, it is not like my results at the academy would have warranted me any honorary awards, unless I actually did go through the backdoor and paid them off, but because I still did not receive my paycheck from the agency yet, so I did not have money to treat my beloved adorable professors to the nightclubs...my bad, that is a sick sarcastic joke again...or maybe I deliberately say it in a joking style to cover up the actual reality so you are messed up with disinfo?...

For those who think Sharon has made a 'truthful' statement and that China deserve this as Chinese people have been committing crime/ torturing other people, etc etc... I want to say, I finally understand from you what is Karma. Look at ourselves! All these anger, hatred, ignorance, racism, that's why all these terrible disasters are happening... Not a Karma to Chinese, but a Karma to the whole human race, to us all. All of us WILL die eventually, in different ways and different forms. None of us can escape from it and maybe this is the real Karma. Remember, not just to the Chinese, but to us all.

the epi center of the earthquake

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Aba, Sichuan


Aba (Ngawa) Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province, China.

Aba City (Chinese: 阿坝镇; Pinyin: Ābà Zhèn; Tibetan: Ngawa) is the main city in Aba County, within the Aba (Ngawa) Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture in northwestern Sichuan, China. It is located on the Tibetan plateau at an elevation of 3200 metres. Aba County has 70,000 inhabitants, Tibetan 55% ,Qiang 18.7%,Hui 3.3%,Han 22.5%,about 8,000 of them Tibetan monks. There are 37 monasteries in the area, two of the largest in Aba City itself. There are mainly grasslands and forested valleys in the south.

Gerdeng, the largest Tibetan Monastery in Aba (Ngawa) Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province, China.





tibetan earthquake victims




tibetan and qiang(ethnically very close to tibetan)earthquake victims





tibetan earthquake victims



tibetan earthquake victims



tibetan and qiang(ethnically very close to tibetan)earthquake victims




tibetans mourning for the quake dead



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reply to post by haidian


As a matter of fact. If they didn't die peaceably of old age. Then yes, I attribute it to what some people refer to as "Bad Karma".
So the Chinese should not think we are picking on them.
The United States especially, is very self critical of itself (free press and media), and allows much dissent and protest. As a positive force, to a possible better balanced
policy.
China would do good to do the same. Instead of making it citizens into mindless loyalist, to it's dictates!

reply to post by Howie47


then why this holy karma hit a Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture,made tibetans also grieve and suffer?

Originally posted by haidian
reply to post by Howie47

 

then why this holy karma hit a Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture,made tibetans also grieve and suffer?

I have to agree with HOWIE47 as he's taking what a Buddhist would accept as a fact of their current and past lives. What he's not doing, as any practising Buddhist would not also do, is apportion any malice to the statement (I'm sure?)

But, whilst the timing of the statement may cause mental harm to some, this again if based on 'Right Intention' and compassion should not open him to any form of abuse also because this is would be 'bad Karma' for those giving verbal abuse?

None if your not of the Buddhist thinking then I can see how he'd be interpreted as insensitive and probably just wrong? And, this leads us back to Ms Stone who if she is a practising Buddhist would see things this way also?

reply to post by qiulin


Actually I see I am less knowledgable about the different intectual ideas and proposals inside the mainland China. Even Pan's ideas I would need to take a better look at, I just found this article somewhere and it shared many of my opinions, that's why I am raising it up as a supporting reference to elaborate my point. Will certain look up the ideas of the other scholars and see what kind of opposing ideas are brewing here. Always great to talk with someone knowledgable, especially more than me, so my mind can be really challenged and I can learn and continue my own personal development.

However, I would want to emphasize that I am not ruling out certain ideas and proposals like I said in my last paragraphs. After all, this is a system we need to continue improving. And in a situation when the society is ready for a different kind more suitable system, which is beneficial to the majority of the people, then even liberal democracy could be an option. Though I don't see our society being ready for it at all for the coming half century. We have to at least phase out 2 generations, so 2030 seems too soon. And let's face it, if we are indeed so succesful as the economic prophets try to make us believe, then it would mean we have succesfully continued this unique experience of using socialism with chinese characteristic in an open capitalistic market. By then one can wonder what the use is to insist of implementing an idealistic system (Liberal Democracy) as THE system for every developed country? Let's simply on your last sentence "China will definitely have a unique model, but such a model still needs very careful exploration and experimenting."

Village-level elections is thousands years old in China, electing the village chief is indded nothing new. Unfortunately, these election processes were never really being developed at governmental and state level. This is mostly because of our ruling monarch system for thousands of years. Yet even more, because village-elections are way too often simply a popularity battle fight or race between power-hungry guys having the businesses to put down the bags of gold. Only at smaller tiny villages you might encounter chiefs who know everyone very well and know exactly what the general consensus is so his policy making can be really custom-made.

Experiments like in Shenzhen or in many other places are fine. However, what are the results of it? Where are the information for everyone to look at it? How much credit we can give to these test "results", what's the accountability? And maybe the most important, is the ordinary common people even aware of such an experiment? I live in a village in Shenzhen, I can bet that most of these local Shenzhen people will not know about mayor elections in their metropole, or even if they know their first comment will be "what's the use?".

Now this last question sounds so simple, but is so utterly important to tackle and never try to ignore and waiving it off. It is what the common consensus is among the people, miss-trust to the government, especially local ones. This miss-trust and lack of confidence for the government can be very counter-productive up to even devaastating for the development of the whole nation, no matter how "totalitair" a country is. So I am glad the Chinese has informally given the mandate to the central l'eaders now for the past months. At least the confidence and trust is "regained"/strengthen that the central government will try to what is in the best interests of the majority.

reply to post by mlmijyd


As stated and Facts provided. There are also thousands of Tibetan being killed in this earthquake. So is it their karma to not have participated in the Lahsa riot? And not having participated in killing Han Chinese?

Originally posted by Howie47
The United States especially, is very self critical of itself (free press and media), and allows much dissent and protest. As a positive force, to a possible better balanced
policy.

really?

did the "very self critical of itself" "free media" show their sorry and regret for killing near 1 million Iraqi civilian because of this illegal war?

did the "very self critical of itself" "free media" tell you that US government is responsible for tibet riots and pay their sorry and regret to the victims??

did the "very self critical of itself" "free media" can possiblly stop brainwashing american's mind and truly tell you the advantage and disadvantage of your political system and it's tie with plutonomy instead of dividing everything into democratic and dictatorial. evil and unevil???

Originally posted by IchiNiSan
reply to post by mlmijyd

 

As stated and Facts provided. There are also thousands of Tibetan being killed in this earthquake. So is it their karma to not have participated in the Lahsa riot? And not having participated in killing Han Chinese?

Well actually 'YES' in direct reply to your question. Didn't you understand my post? I'll assume that you are not a Buddhist as a Buddhist would understand my statement albeit may be not as articulate as I'd have liked?

That's the whole point of their term Karma, it’s probably from many successive lifetimes and this is just another on their way to 'enlightenment'. A Buddhist isn't 'attached' to their earthly bodies as you and I are (although they want as much time to be useful and progress). I think you need to search this topic and look at some Buddhist books to understand the concept more?


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so you mean 911 and hurricane katrina victims died also because of Karma??



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Originally posted by zhangxi0183
reply to post by mlmijyd

 

so you mean 911 and hurricane katrina victims died also because of Karma??



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A karma believing Buddhist would say exactly that! They would also attribute the good things as karma also.

You really should read some stuff from e.g. The Dalai Lama “The Joy of Living and Dying in Peace amongst many, Thich Nhat Hand “The Art of Mindful Living”, Old Path White Clouds amongst many and the classic Sogyal Rinpoche “The Tibetan book of living and Dying”.

I’m not a Buddhist but I’ve read lots and certainly been heavily influenced by what I’ve read and had some Buddhist friends whom I’ve asked many questions. Don’t get me wrong Buddhists are as flawed as the rest of us but I do think that if they stick to their doctrine (they’d probably dispute this term?) they seem to have a better handle on their lives and fewer attachment based issues?

No disaster, natural or otherwise is worse than any other one, for the person who has experienced it.

reply to post by zhangxi0183


Some where I posted just that about the Katrina victims. I pointed out how New Orleans was a particularly bad city. That entertained (allowed) allot of evil. Also they had been warned for years about building a city on land below sea level. Not listening can also bring, bad Karma.
Also do a search of ATS about 9.11 conspiracies. You'll find many who have even proposed it was a U.S. government conspiracy from beginning to end. As for the people who died their. Many people would never live or work in such a, man made, high tower. Wouldn't live in huge, crowed cities. Wouldn't have a naive world view, that encourages living loosely.
Many people just want to believe their government will protect them in all things. So they can live relaxed life styles.

reply to post by zhangxi0183


You don't seem to even understand the concept of a media independent of the government. Why would the media need to apologize for what the
government does. Here the government and media are independent form each other. Not to ignore the fact, that they often are in bed together.
But that is usually just an affair. Not a marriage.

reply to post by IchiNiSan

As stated and Facts provided. There are also thousands of Tibetan being killed in this earthquake. So is it their karma to not have participated in the Lahsa riot? And not having participated in killing Han Chinese?

Possibly. Maybe the whole earthquake will bear the fruit of everyone concerned loving, understanding, and working together for what everyone wants or needs.

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