It seems to be difficult for theists to accept how natural this is, and I've never understood why. They always try to look for a psychological explanation like trauma or narcissism. It really gets tiresome, frankly.

I am a born again believer yet I agree with your sentiment here....tho I understand the "cause" angle differently ....however the need to label non-believers and psychoanalyze atheists is the antithesis of" love thy neighbor as thyself.".

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
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I am a born again believer yet I agree with your sentiment here....tho I understand the "cause" angle differently ....however the need to label non-believers and psychoanalyze atheists is the antithesis of" love thy neighbor as thyself.".

Oh, please! Again, I cannot resist. I have never met a born again evangelist that did not want to convert everyone over, that they can!

I have the benefit of having been a religionists myself in the past, and so know every scheme & technique.

But, I don't have anything to convert the atheist over to!

As much as those of us who believe in a higher power have been critiqued, those who are religious have been psychoanalyzed to death. Even by me! LOL!

What is one to make of all this? As with all scientific theories, we begin by asking for the evidence. So what is the empirical evidence for oscillating and parallel and multiple universes? Actually, there isn't any...
Now we are in the realm of "just add universes."

D'Souza

IN AUGUST, radio astronomers announced that they had found an enormous hole in the universe... One team of physicists has a breathtaking explanation: "It is the unmistakable imprint of another universe beyond the edge of our own," says Laura Mersini-Houghton of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “Standard cosmology cannot explain such a giant cosmic hole”

If the cosmic cold spot was all that Laura Mersini-Houghton and her colleagues had chalked up in the way of a prediction, it might be possible to dismiss it as a fluke. However, they claim they can explain two other anomalies in the WMAP measurements of the cosmic microwave background too.
The standard model of cosmology cannot explain why the hot and cold spots of the quadrupole and octupole are much closer in temperature than they are in other multipoles. But Mersini-Houghton says that the squeezing of our universe by neighbouring ones in her team's model leads to repulsive gravity and suppresses the quantum fluctuations that seeded matter. "This is turn depresses the temperature variations at the quadrupole scale, exactly as WMAP has seen," she says.

They predict that there should be not one such giant void but two: one in the northern hemisphere corresponding to the WMAP cold spot and one in the southern hemisphere. "We are hoping that a southern void will turn up in the data soon," she says.

They hope to test what happened when the universe cooled below a certain temperature and underwent a phase transition, which broke supersymmetry. According to string models, the energy released during the phase transition drove inflation, and went on to create supersymmetric particles. Since the energy had to be sufficient to ensure the growth of our piece of vacuum, Mersini-Houghton and her colleagues can make an estimate of the energy scale of supersymmetry breaking. "We find it is about 100,000 times greater than generally believed," she says. "Therefore we predict that the LHC will not detect supersymmetry."

Yes M theory is the atheist scientist last gasp in the face of overwhelming evidence for God.

The prioncipal of Occams Razor that when offered many possible explanations the one that requires the least assumptions is the best.

...our universe is designed for life because someone designed it that way. You don't need to make up the idea of a hundred billion universes that you know nothing about in order to account for the only universe you can possibly examine.

Okie dokie, this argument is the one that officially ends all rational discussion. If satan becomes your reason for any type of disagreement, you have not only taken this thread down an alternate route, but that route happens to be a dead end.

I apologize I didn't mean to imply that you could comprehend the Bible verses. Of course I would be in error to expect a materialist to be able to comprehend something that is spiritually discerned. If you had read my post that statement that was addressed to the Bible believing Christians.

And it was never offered as a reason for disagreement only as the explanation for atheists blindness to the overwhelming and "obvious as the nose on your face" evidence for a creator.

I don't doubt you see things, I just doubt "they" are what you think "they" are.

I know that ATS has become a little less professional recently, but I'm going to use an old throwback and say...
souces please?

Leading scientists have acknowledged the far-reaching implications of the anthropic principle. "A commonsense interpretation of the facts." writes astronomer Fred Hoyle, "suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the laws of physics." Physicist Freeman Dyson says, "The more I examine the universe and study the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming." Astronomer Owen Gingerich writes that the anthropic principle "means accepting that the laws of nature are rigged not only in favor of complexity or just in favor of life, but also in favor of mind. To put it dramatically, it implies that mind is written into the laws of nature in a fundamental way." Astronomer Robert Jastrow observes that the anthropic principle "is the most theistic result ever to come out of science."

M theory is an attempt to explain everything we've observed thus far without resorting to magic.

According to Witten and others, the M in M-theory could stand for master, mathematical, mother, mystery, membrane, magic, or matrix. Witten reluctantly admits the M in M-theory can also stand for murky due to the fact that the level of understanding of the theory is so primitive.

It is a serious objection to all theories of multiple universes that they violate Occam's razor. They invent a fantastically complicated set of circumstances to explain a single case when there is a much simpler, more obvious explanation right at hand. It says, quite simply, that our universe is designed for life because someone designed it that way. The Designer Universe approach has this benefit: you don't need to make up the idea of a hundred billion universes that you know nothing about in order to account for the only universe you can possibly experience. Yet this third response seems to be anathema to some people, and here we see how strongly modern atheism relies on "New Age dreaming."

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
reply to post by realshanti

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Quite frankly, your previous message was ambiguous. The last paragraph definitely had an evangelistic feel to it. It seemed a little on the passive aggressive side.

Why?

You admitted to being born again. That is a religious phrase so it was not hard to determine that you were coming from that angle. Often devout most impChristians will powder-puff a passive aggressive move by acting or seeming righteous (showing false concern) while undercutting the previous messenger.

Please re-read your post and see if you can see it from my point of view. If you are sincere then you have my apologies.