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reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 02:49 AM by xXMakaXx
reply to post by Bigwhammy





How can i look at evidence when there is none?I have stated more than once to show me some evidence but you just want to link me to arguments and assumptions.

Typical religious response.Good luck to ya.


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 03:56 AM by Korhyan
reply to post by UncleLuke



Have you heard of M-theory? It explains how the universe came to be quite neatly and MATHEMATICALLY, in tandem with quantum physics. There are an infinite number of universes. The existence of matter in ours may be a freak accident, but it literally HAD to happen somewhere, according to quantum. No god is neccesary.

Also, the whole "you will go to hell" argument is one of the crappiest points I have ever heard. Atheists do not believe in hell. Somehow, though, I hear it every time I talk to a well-intentioned Christian, who never questions what his priest says, about religion. When will you people understand that atheists do not believe ANY of your myths? Not even the ones about post-mortem punishment.


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 03:59 AM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by Korhyan



And it's all completely speculation with ZERO evidence. Even Hawking admits that. It's an absurd atheist ruse because of the implications of a finite universe.


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 04:02 AM by Korhyan
reply to post by Bigwhammy



I ask again: why are people like Paul considered to be credible? Do you have any reason at all to believe what he wrote. You can not even know that his name was really Paul. You can not even no that he was not actually she. Why do you believe him?

I would also like to add that I left Catholicism for atheism, because when I was Catholic, I knew on that deep level you mentioned, that there was no god.

[edit on 24-5-2008 by Korhyan]


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 04:07 AM by Korhyan
reply to post by Bigwhammy



I do not think you know what it is that I am referencing. Our universe is finite, but there are an infinite number of SEPERATE universes.

Also, do not say "it." I have to guess what you are talking about.

[edit on 24-5-2008 by Korhyan]



reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 05:50 AM by Thousand
Interesting thread. I'm amazed at how civil this has remained for the most part.

Myself, I didn't know I was an atheist until I was in probably the 6th or 7th grade, when I was finally confronted with real religious belief and found out I was on a "side". I knew all the stories, celebrated Christmas, and so on, but that's all they ever were, just stories. Old faerie tales that nobody really believed, carry-forward traditions like Thanksgiving Day from a simpler time. It truly amazed me, and still does to this day, that people can believe the things they do.

I have never thought there was a higher power. Ever. All I've ever thought is that there is me and six and a half billion other humans, struggling to make it through life as best we can, leaning on each other to be able to survive. Everything else is just unnecessary complication, and detracts from the focus you need to make the most of what little time you have.

My mother is very passively Christian, my father is a staunch atheist. I took after him very strongly, and although there were some rather rough spots between us, I do not hate, nor even dislike him. On the contrary - I love him very much. So much for the father theory, I guess.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
On a very deep level, I believe atheists know that God exists.


On a very deep level, I believe that the religious know that they could very well be wrong, and are padding their lives with rules they don't really believe in, "just in case".


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 06:39 AM by 1-Cent
Why is it any more rational to believe in an invisible, intangible, unproven entity thats completely omnipotent, created the universe and all life but is strangely fixated on you, your actions and whether or not you believe this to be the case?

If someone today, said they heard voices in their head which caused them to write various passages and tell the world, he would be locked in a padded cell and laughed at. Why is this any more credible coming from a 2000+ year old source, a time when spirits, gods and daemons were commonly thought to be as real as you and me?

Many of these myths have been inherited from much older civilizations like the egyptions and sumerians, calling further attention to the inaccuracy of the source. Not only is the source of the writing in many cases plagiarized, but it's been altered through mis-transcription over generations before the printing press, mis-translation and of course theres doctoring done by those in power at the time.

Of course it takes a certain amount of faith to believe in God, but today it also takes faith to believe you are actually receiving "the teachings of God" as God intended them to be with source material as it is. They could actually look vastly different than those currently taught and thought to be true...

I have a million reasons and not that much time, mainly my first point; it doesn't matter what millennium you live in, you hear voices from invisible people in your head that tell you to do things, you're not right. Take a stroll through a mental hospital and I'm sure you'll end up with volumes of previously unknown teachings coming directly from God through a lucky few that can hear his words of wisdom. *flame suit on* Give'er


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 07:52 AM by Drakiir
reply to post by 1-Cent



Totally agree with you on the imaginary friend part.

If Jesus is in heaven than what the hell is he doing up there that is so important not to tend his own people. Maybe he thinks its ok to sit back and watch humanity destroy itself and what really gets me is that he insists we find the way ourselves when he knows there are influences than can make people stray.

Then we have the other side of the topic with demons and everything or bad entities so where is God to stop them from possessing people. What if a ten year old kid is possessed, isn't that Gods fault for not preventing it when he knows we cant stop it.

He has walked out on humanity and as long as people keep praying under the name of a God who doesn't exist than the world will continue to believe in this fraud. Then demons are free to roam and take over who ever they want so in the end we cant win either way.

Believe in God and evil still happens, don't believe and evil still happens, thats why Im Spiritual for, I don't have to deal with this garbage and I can fend off bad entities when I need to. I believe there are good spirits who guide me in the ways of good so I don't need God to tell me that and I can fend off bad entities so Im covered.

And these spirits appear to me to my face, God doesn't.

[edit on 24-5-2008 by Drakiir]


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 08:24 AM by Linseypop
reply to post by xXMakaXx



I totally agree.....
i personally dont have a label either..... my beliefs are this:

i believe this person (jesus) maybe existed, but as a mortal, as i suppose his name came from somewhere right?

but i do not have an opinion about anybody else who believes in there own god because it is entirely upto them. I have relatives who are christians and i have often had deep discusions with them about mine and there believes and they are equaly as interested in what i have to say.....

I believe what is right in front of me, what i see, and until anyone presents me with something other than this, its the way i will stay....

Just my opinion
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reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 09:59 AM by carole9999
reply to post by MatrixProphet



For many years i was an extreme atheist, very close-minded about anything I couldn't perceive within the range of my own limited senses. Fortunately, I was not raised with any religion, but I followed scientism (which is just another belief system with it's own dogma). The only difference between both close-minded forms of this is that there's no drive to proselytize the scientism belief system. Please note that I understand that manymost followers of religious belief systems do not proselytize. Some of my extreme mindset had to do with my son's autism, and anger at the classic image of a caring diety. A number of events have occurred that have changed this mindset (and they had to be rather extreme for someone like me--I will go to great lengths to find a logical and normal answer. Some of what I experienced so defied this that I was forced to study it further, and upon doing so found that science (which was what I trusted) has discovered much to reveal a far larger picture than the a close-minded skeptical mindset can explain. I am an open-minded skeptic, which is, for me, the best and most logical approach. If I had to place a label on my beliefs, it would be pantheist. I believe there is a universal intelligence which is not external to me, does not need or care if I 'worship' it or not, etc. I view difficult/negative experiences as necessary for me to learn, and understand not only how little I know, but the learning process is completely blocked by the belief that one already knows everything. If one wanted to use the generic ter 'god' to describe this universal intelligence which exists in and of everything/everywhere/everywhen, its simply a matter of semantics. I avoid doing so to avoid confusion (that I am not making reference to a separate diety. It has irritated some to the point that I've been asked if I believe I'm "God", and I have answered in the affirmative. I then ask them if they are not 'God', and therefore separate from 'God'--to which I have either been greeted with silence or a 'no' without any further discussion. It is impossible for me to associate with those who believe they are better than I because they have a belief system which assures them that they know everything (or more than I) and are therefore superior. I hope this observation/perspective adds to the topic.


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 10:05 AM by carole9999
reply to post by carole9999


I must add this to those who fear death because of oblivion/non-existence. Although everything I've learned indicates that consciousness survives death and this is what I believe, I must add this to those who fear it for the aforementioned reason. If you no longer 'exist' after physical death, you would have no memory and consciousness to perceive your existence, not even sensing 'time' passing, etc., so what difference could it possibly make? Slightly off-topic, but somewhat relevant.
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