posted on May, 23 2008 @ 12:49 PM
This thread is not about bashing atheists, but to make an attempt to understand them! ATS has had a big influx of evangelical Christians, a large
group of them within the last few months. This may be possible with atheists also, but I don’t know. Is it possible that the former are just louder
and more tenacious?
I thought that it was necessary to bring this thread up – due to all the mud slinging, and name calling, that we have been reading lately between;
primarily the two groups.
1. I am not a religious person. I am not Christian, nor atheist, nor any other labeled group. But I am a spiritual person that happens to believe in
the existence of God.
2. If we can end this debate over the validity or existence or non-existence of God, this would probably make a lot of us happier. You cannot
disprove, or prove, the existence of a higher power! To believe either way requires faith. Agnostics believe that and so don’t take a stand either
way. My husband calls agnostics: codependent atheists. But that is another story.
I can say that I have had personal attention from God that he has introduced himself to me, and I would be telling you the truth. But, I do not expect
many of you to believe that. That is fine with me.
I have been inundated with atheists all of my life – both in my nuclear family and extended family. I think that I have come to understand them
fairly well. That is not to say that we can converse without some heat at times. But it helps if we can understand one another.
Here are my thoughts as to why atheists become or choose to be atheists:
Atheist through traumatic events: Many atheists I have found have given up the idea or belief in God due to a tragic event in their lives. My
father was an atheist all the way up to three months before his death. Before he died was the only time I heard him question his beliefs regarding the
non-existence of God.
His history: he was left on the kitchen floor of his home at the age of 2, dressed only in diapers when his mother took off with his older sister,
never to be seen or heard of again! He was left with a father that was emotionally unavailable. Dad’s only recourse besides taking it out on a dog
– perhaps, was to believe that there could not be a God, because why would God allow this to happen to a little baby boy?
He fought in hand to hand combat against the Germans in WWII in France. There is that old saying; “There are no atheists in a foxhole or dugout.”
I will never know if he remained true to his beliefs while under fire.
Another atheist member of my family lost her son in a motorcycle accident while driving under the influence and hit a parked car at 80 miles an hour.
She did not have fuzzy, cozy feelings about God anyway (being an academic), but after that incident, she became a staunch religious atheist. She and
her husband joined a skeptics group that meets regularly. They read their magazines and promote their literature to anyone (often in demonstrably
angry ways) who will listen. Remind you of anyone??
The stand they take is in believing that there must not be a God, because look what happened to them! Their only way to get even is to; denounce God.
There is no other recourse; they cannot turn him in to Child Protection Services. So they often spend an inordinate amount of time talking about a God
they don’t believe in. By denouncing him they can subvert some of their anger.
I can say; I understand where they are coming from.
Atheist through academia: I have met many in this category. Many of my family members would subscribe to this origin. Some of my in-laws will
openly admit that academia is the only route and that science is what they adhere to. (I might add: their God!) I understand it though. They need to
replace God with something!
They are all professionals ie, lawyers, doctors, judges etc. To put it plainly and simply; in their eyes it is just not “cool” to believe in
something as corny as God. It is by far too rudimentary for their tastes. Something they associate with the lower elements of society…the
uneducated, non-evolved masses. Man is far too intelligent of a species to look to a higher power, and certainly is not in need of one. Academia is
certainly the advocate of this thinking, and even promotes it.
Atheist through religion: When I left religion a few years ago I decided to go to many ex- (fill in the blank) religious forums. What I found
stunned me! But why it should, I don’t know. I would say that probably 80% of those that left religion became atheists! They threw the baby out with
the bath water. If religion was wrong, God must be wrong also. To this day I find that most cannot detach God from religion. The two were so enmeshed
they cannot separate them. Religion in essence became the God! So they tossed him out.
Many of us have been the brunt of abuse from religion and have suffered shame and guilt being thrown at us. For many of us this would include: the
stalwart Christian soldiers with their ever so loving tactics, LOL! It is truly no wonder that many include God in that inventory.
Atheist through hedonism: The; “I don’t want to be judged for what I do or don’t do,” category. They don’t want big brother and that
includes the big one in the sky – looking over them. So we will pretend that “HE” doesn’t exist! They live now, get all one can out of life,
with no Godly repercussions, or healthy boundaries. They just want to “feel good” and will go to many lengths to do so, and don’t want to be
judged for it. Those that are honest, will own their own consequences. They just don’t want God dragged into the equation.
Some of these individuals will alter their beliefs if forced to enter recovery programs. I watched many staunch atheists change after experiencing
Godly interventions – experiences that could not be answered through science (the God of science proved to be too fickle).
Dolly Parton once said; “I have known a lot of atheists, but I’ve never known a happy one!”
I cannot say that I agree with that entirely. I have known some that were comfortable in their skin. But I will say; that in my experience I have seen
a thread of anger that seems to permeate them as a whole. But then again, that is my experience…and I have to say; in many ways I cannot blame
Many of you will have your thoughts, and I welcome them. Just remember, this is not a thread for mud slinging and name calling! Let’s be grown up
[edit on 23-5-2008 by MatrixProphet]