Why can no one prove a Masonic conspiracy?

reply to post by Masonic Light

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For one thread, perhaps instead of "Deny Ignorance" it can be "Ignore Denial."

I'd wager without any of our input to egg them on, it would probably drop off the first page pretty quickly.

Many times conspiracy theorist exposed freemason's conspiracy but the freemasons will never believe it, what ever is exposed in front of them because they have been brainwashed in their Temple's loges, more and more says, freemasonry is a cult. that would explain their behavior.

Ummmm... I did.

Perhaps not in those exact terms, but I don't think much of my meaning was left to the imagination.

Start a designated "no Masons" thread and I will stay out of it... I suspect it won't get past page 2 though. Try asking an "Anti-Masonic" poster to elaborate on why he thinks/believes what he does about Masonry and listen to the crickets. Good luck.

Augustus: To use a phrase once employed against me/us: "All hat and no cattle." That is why a "Masonic Conspiracy" cannot be proven, or even reasonably demonstrated.

They've got nothing but hot air... and really it's more lukewarm than hot.

[edit on 5/21/08 by The Axeman]

funny, if it is so easy for Conspiracy theorist to exposed freemason's conspiracy, why is there no major outcry from the press, or the courts, or the public ? Why is there no serious paper trail of docurments that leads directly back to the lodge showing wrong doing. The Catholic chruch has been cought up in scandel, Politcal parties have been cought, major companys have been cought. Yet I have not seen an earth shaking scandel in the news envolving freemasonry. Oh that right we control the press
Get real, if there was any real dirt, some news reporter would had broke it to the press. Those dogs would hunt down thier own mothers.

I named those I could think of off the top of my head.

The Axeman I don't know how I forgot him... oh yeah, hes not a Mason. Hes illoominatee

Scientist, I was unaware he was a Mason actually, I never asked though.
LID, he is almost never on anymore.
RWPBR (I don't see how you got the meaning of his name) is rarely on as well
Justme I forgot about
Sky doesn't count because hes a Mod just kidding.
Beel doesnt really post much in this forum either,
Roark of course, how could I forget him? Just to many to remember.
Straighten Arrow. Surprised you didn't kill someone with laughter lol.. I am interested as to know why in the world you think he is a Mason?

Hes not. Der.

And to HD .. I can't see what you wrote because I am ignoring you, but someone sent me your kind words. Seeing as you believe we are all "garbage" Masons I believe is how you put it, you really do radiate all the Masonic qualities you preach huh? Disgraceful. No one believes your a Mason, and your childish bantering won't make anyone else believe you either.

only 3 degrees though .. amazing how you just told me you sat in on Scottish Rite ceremonies, and even tried to tell me I took an oath! lol..

So sad..

So why can no one prove a Masonic Conspiracy? Because there is none. "innocent until proven guilty" it does not work the other way around.

reply to post by Rockpuck

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Sorry. My bad.

On Straighten, I was going by this post in this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But I missed this caveat:
"I myself am not a mason and this is what I think...."

Freemasonry has certainly utilized the symbol of the obelisk in its masonic art, aprons, and degree certificates, etc., since the love affair with everything Egyptian began in the 18th century. In a very real sense Freemasonry has become identified with the obelisk simply because of its fascination with it.

Some examples:

Bunker Hill Monument
www.bookrags.com...
tinyurl.com...

Washington Monument: Masonry's hand is everywhere, even down to the designer Robert Mills
www.calodges.org...

The obelisk in central park, as you know. Masons brought it here cross the vast ocean.

To an observer from without, these things alone are enough to associate obelisks with Freemasons.

Albert Mackey:



James Stevens Curl:



There's quite a bit of masonic-associated obelisk symbolism to be found in this essay: Freemasonic Symbolism and Georgian Gardens. Interesting quote from it:



And another:

reply to post by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men

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Actually Freemasonry does not use an obelisk.

I could understand .. actually this is kinda wierd... but I could understand if conspiracy theorist thought that specific types of Greco/Roman "pillars" where Masonic..

But for some reason no one has ever brought that forward as a conspiracy. Shows a lack of research if you ask me!


Obelisks: No.
Pillars: Yes.

Wrong.

Mackey: right; Rockpuck: wrong.
Curl: right; Rockpuck: wrong.

I have a story about Freemasonry, that for me, proves some things; obviously, you are going to have to take my word for it, whether or not you do is up to you, obviously.

I knew a man, who was a rather interesting fellow; we were talking one time, and got on the topic of Masons. I told him my father was a mason(which he is) and he told me to wait a minute, and went into the other room. He came out with 2 rather large books. They were labelled something to the effect of Encyclopedia of Freemasonry(i forget the actual title, this was a few years back) and the copyright date was approximately 1782 or so. As I had things to do shortly after, I had little time to read(looking back, i would have taken more time.) So I looked up but one name: Adam Weishaupt. Nothing in there really that any person who has done their homework doesnt know, but certainly from a more credible source than most.

reply to post by Vilkata

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Shame you don't recall the title. 1782 is an early date. I am not sure when Mackey did his encycolpedia, but I don't belive it was that early.

Actually, that explains a lot... Continental Freemasonry being the key word there. Obelisks don't mean squat in American lodges, but it's possible that they do in lodges now considered by Americans and UGLE as "irregular." So, of course any Mason here who doesn't recognize Grand Orient de France is going to hear you talk about Masonic obelisks and wonder what the heck you're talking about. (And from what I've gathered, most of the Masons on ATS are from "regular" lodges.)

[edit on 5/21/2008 by JoshNorton]

Irregular? Clandestine? Similar to the rejection of Prince Hall as legit, I guess. Well, ya, masons are a stuffy and elitist bunch. Sure.

ER, seeing as we just did the degree involving said pillars, I will have to say Mackey can eat my shorts.

Obelisk: no.
Pillars: Yes.

Now go find a conspiracy about how Freemasons made every ionic pillar ever made!

I think that the fact that the freemasons are a secret society whose roots can be traced back for thousands of years and their status in our current society kind of invites conspiracy theories. What can be considered as proof too a conspiracy theory? Anybody can look at solid evidence and dismiss it just because they are not a 1st person witness. I have seen a lot of credible evidence shot down just people choose not to believe what they are seeing. All we can do is put the pieces of the puzzle together and speculate.

reply to post by JoshNorton

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Really though, you guys have the most petty fights I've ever witnessed. "We hereby declare your enterprise irregular sir." Huh, why's that, bro? "Cause you've gone and acknowledged an irregular and 'unrecognized' Masonic organization in Louisiana." Uhh Ohh.

"OK, then. Strike them from the fold. They be irregulars from now on!"

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I really don't see a need for that kind of talk. I cannot fathom how my comment could ever incite such a barbaric and irresponsible retort like that.

[edit on 5/21/2008 by Rockpuck]

Therein lies the problem. You're oblivious (because you're so young and high on yourself) to how incredibly cocky, annoying and disrespectful you really are.