Why can no one prove a Masonic conspiracy?, page 3

reply to post by Masonic Light

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For one thread, perhaps instead of "Deny Ignorance" it can be "Ignore Denial."

I'd wager without any of our input to egg them on, it would probably drop off the first page pretty quickly.

Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
reply to post by Roark

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I have no idea what the ideal situation would be. As the CEO has said - and I agree - Masons need to take certain threads with a grain of salt: it's a conspiracy board, after all! Besmirching masonry is NOT akin to calling one's mother a whore.

I would, however, suggest something. Once, just once, it would be nice to see a topic about masonry, and have no masons respond. It is entirely your right to do so ... but humour us.

Those on Rockpuck's list:

Masoniclight
Apak (rarely on)
Mirthful Me (Rarely on)
Bushidomason
Rockpuck (hey thats me!)
Trinityman (moved to another site I think)
Corsig (I know he moved to another site)
Fitzgibbon
Lost in the midwest
AugustusMasononicus
Josh Norton
Choronzon

...and my own that I've sussed out in the last few hours of digging:

scientist

LightinDarkness

RWPBR (Real Men Ride Goats And Wear Aprons)

JustMe74

Skyfloating

The Axeman

Beelzebubba

Straighten Arrow

Roark

Try it as an experiment. Give the "antis" the total uninhibited freedom to vent for a change. See what happens, just for the hell of it. If it gets out of hand, that's what the moderators are there for. They can ban and/or chastise to their hearts content.

Just a thought.

I named those I could think of off the top of my head.

The Axeman I don't know how I forgot him... oh yeah, hes not a Mason. Hes illoominatee

Scientist, I was unaware he was a Mason actually, I never asked though.
LID, he is almost never on anymore.
RWPBR (I don't see how you got the meaning of his name) is rarely on as well
Justme I forgot about
Sky doesn't count because hes a Mod just kidding.
Beel doesnt really post much in this forum either,
Roark of course, how could I forget him? Just to many to remember.
Straighten Arrow. Surprised you didn't kill someone with laughter lol.. I am interested as to know why in the world you think he is a Mason?

Hes not. Der.

And to HD .. I can't see what you wrote because I am ignoring you, but someone sent me your kind words. Seeing as you believe we are all "garbage" Masons I believe is how you put it, you really do radiate all the Masonic qualities you preach huh? Disgraceful. No one believes your a Mason, and your childish bantering won't make anyone else believe you either.

only 3 degrees though .. amazing how you just told me you sat in on Scottish Rite ceremonies, and even tried to tell me I took an oath! lol..

So sad..

So why can no one prove a Masonic Conspiracy? Because there is none. "innocent until proven guilty" it does not work the other way around.

reply to post by Rockpuck

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Sorry. My bad.

On Straighten, I was going by this post in this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But I missed this caveat:
"I myself am not a mason and this is what I think...."

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
It was a fairly staright-forward question as well, what made hime think that the obelisk was Masonic.

Freemasonry has certainly utilized the symbol of the obelisk in its masonic art, aprons, and degree certificates, etc., since the love affair with everything Egyptian began in the 18th century. In a very real sense Freemasonry has become identified with the obelisk simply because of its fascination with it.

Some examples:

Bunker Hill Monument
www.bookrags.com...
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Washington Monument: Masonry's hand is everywhere, even down to the designer Robert Mills
www.calodges.org...

The obelisk in central park, as you know. Masons brought it here cross the vast ocean.

To an observer from without, these things alone are enough to associate obelisks with Freemasons.

Albert Mackey:

In Continental Freemasonry the monument in the Master's Degree is often made in the form of an obelisk, with the letters MB inscribed upon it. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry Vol. 2 [1909], Kessinger 2003, p. 727.)

James Stevens Curl:

Obelisks ... As markers of axial routes they appear in Masonic iconography, usually in association with Continental Masters' Degrees. (The Art and Architecture of Freemasonry, Overlook Press: 1991, p. 242)

There's quite a bit of masonic-associated obelisk symbolism to be found in this essay: Freemasonic Symbolism and Georgian Gardens. Interesting quote from it:

The obelisks in freemasonic symbolism were associated with the sun and mythologized astronomical phenomena. They were symbols of continuity, power, stability, resurrection and immortality. At Stourhead this symbolism of the obelisk was reinforced by a copper sun or"mythra" which surmounted it. The proof of its existence is given by a poem published in the December issue (1748) of The Gentleman's Magazine and by a report given in 1755 by James Hanway which described the obelisk as one hundred feet tall and situated on the highest point at the end of the terrace called Fir Walk (59). An obelisk, situated at the centre of an octagonal pool (Fig. 19), was also present at Stowe (dismantled in 1759) together with a pyramid sixty feet high (Fig. 20) which was probably the last building conceived for Stowe by Vanbrugh. It was already in place in 1724 when Viscount Perceval visited Stowe : "The Pyramid at the End of one of the walks is a copy in miniature of the most famous one in Egypt, and the only thing of its kind I think in England (60)."

And another:

Furthermore, as mentioned above, Burlington's miniature Pantheon and its obelisk in circular space, also bear a masonic message (Fig. 22). Coustos explained the masonic symbol of the point within a circle: "the Compass being placed with one of its points on the ground cannot fail in the correctness of the circle which the other point describes, thus also the Master should circumscribe his actions so they be without fault, and thus complying set a good example to others (63)." An engraving of Claremont, recently discussed by John Harris and which he dated to the period of Newcastle's patronage of Kent, shows a miniature domed pantheon-like temple (unexecuted) with a four column portico on the top of the garden amphitheatre (64). Similarly to Chiswick, in the centre of the circular pond in front of the Pantheon, was set an obelisk. (Fig. 23) The same pantheon-like building with an obelisk in front of it is shown on the first page of a Masonic song-book published in Berlin. (Fig. 24) and appeared in a text vignette in in Shaftesbury's Characteristik of Men.. (1714) where it was shown as "Templum felicitatis" (Fig. 25).

reply to post by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men

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Actually Freemasonry does not use an obelisk.

I could understand .. actually this is kinda wierd... but I could understand if conspiracy theorist thought that specific types of Greco/Roman "pillars" where Masonic..

But for some reason no one has ever brought that forward as a conspiracy. Shows a lack of research if you ask me!


Obelisks: No.
Pillars: Yes.

reply to post by Vilkata

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Shame you don't recall the title. 1782 is an early date. I am not sure when Mackey did his encycolpedia, but I don't belive it was that early.

Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Albert Mackey:

In Continental Freemasonry the monument in the Master's Degree is often made in the form of an obelisk, with the letters MB inscribed upon it. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry Vol. 2 [1909], Kessinger 2003, p. 727.)

Actually, that explains a lot... Continental Freemasonry being the key word there. Obelisks don't mean squat in American lodges, but it's possible that they do in lodges now considered by Americans and UGLE as "irregular." So, of course any Mason here who doesn't recognize Grand Orient de France is going to hear you talk about Masonic obelisks and wonder what the heck you're talking about. (And from what I've gathered, most of the Masons on ATS are from "regular" lodges.)

[edit on 5/21/2008 by JoshNorton]

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Albert Mackey:

In Continental Freemasonry the monument in the Master's Degree is often made in the form of an obelisk, with the letters MB inscribed upon it. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry Vol. 2 [1909], Kessinger 2003, p. 727.)

Actually, that explains a lot... Continental Freemasonry being the key word there. Obelisks don't mean squat in American lodges, but it's possible that they do in lodges now considered by Americans and UGLE as "irregular." So, of course any Mason here who doesn't recognize Grand Orient de France is going to hear you talk about Masonic obelisks and wonder what the heck you're talking about. (And from what I've gathered, most of the Masons on ATS are from "regular" lodges.)

[edit on 5/21/2008 by JoshNorton]

Irregular? Clandestine? Similar to the rejection of Prince Hall as legit, I guess. Well, ya, masons are a stuffy and elitist bunch. Sure.

reply to post by JoshNorton

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Really though, you guys have the most petty fights I've ever witnessed. "We hereby declare your enterprise irregular sir." Huh, why's that, bro? "Cause you've gone and acknowledged an irregular and 'unrecognized' Masonic organization in Louisiana." Uhh Ohh.

"OK, then. Strike them from the fold. They be irregulars from now on!"

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