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Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
OK, then. CEO is absurd. Go tell him.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Many times conspiracy theorist exposed freemason's conspiracy but the freemasons will never believe it, what ever is exposed in front of them because they have been brainwashed in their Temple's loges, more and more says, freemasonry is a cult. that would explain their behavior.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
reply to post by Roark
I have no idea what the ideal situation would be. As the CEO has said - and I agree - Masons need to take certain threads with a grain of salt: it's a conspiracy board, after all! Besmirching masonry is NOT akin to calling one's mother a whore.
I would, however, suggest something. Once, just once, it would be nice to see a topic about masonry, and have no masons respond. It is entirely your right to do so ... but humour us.
Those on Rockpuck's list:
Masoniclight
Apak (rarely on)
Mirthful Me (Rarely on)
Bushidomason
Rockpuck (hey thats me!)
Trinityman (moved to another site I think)
Corsig (I know he moved to another site)
Fitzgibbon
Lost in the midwest
AugustusMasononicus
Josh Norton
Choronzon
...and my own that I've sussed out in the last few hours of digging:
scientist
LightinDarkness
RWPBR (Real Men Ride Goats And Wear Aprons)
JustMe74
Skyfloating
The Axeman
Beelzebubba
Straighten Arrow
Roark
Try it as an experiment. Give the "antis" the total uninhibited freedom to vent for a change. See what happens, just for the hell of it. If it gets out of hand, that's what the moderators are there for. They can ban and/or chastise to their hearts content.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
It was a fairly staright-forward question as well, what made hime think that the obelisk was Masonic.
In Continental Freemasonry the monument in the Master's Degree is often made in the form of an obelisk, with the letters MB inscribed upon it. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry Vol. 2 [1909], Kessinger 2003, p. 727.)
Obelisks ... As markers of axial routes they appear in Masonic iconography, usually in association with Continental Masters' Degrees. (The Art and Architecture of Freemasonry, Overlook Press: 1991, p. 242)
The obelisks in freemasonic symbolism were associated with the sun and mythologized astronomical phenomena. They were symbols of continuity, power, stability, resurrection and immortality. At Stourhead this symbolism of the obelisk was reinforced by a copper sun or"mythra" which surmounted it. The proof of its existence is given by a poem published in the December issue (1748) of The Gentleman's Magazine and by a report given in 1755 by James Hanway which described the obelisk as one hundred feet tall and situated on the highest point at the end of the terrace called Fir Walk (59). An obelisk, situated at the centre of an octagonal pool (Fig. 19), was also present at Stowe (dismantled in 1759) together with a pyramid sixty feet high (Fig. 20) which was probably the last building conceived for Stowe by Vanbrugh. It was already in place in 1724 when Viscount Perceval visited Stowe : "The Pyramid at the End of one of the walks is a copy in miniature of the most famous one in Egypt, and the only thing of its kind I think in England (60)."
Furthermore, as mentioned above, Burlington's miniature Pantheon and its obelisk in circular space, also bear a masonic message (Fig. 22). Coustos explained the masonic symbol of the point within a circle: "the Compass being placed with one of its points on the ground cannot fail in the correctness of the circle which the other point describes, thus also the Master should circumscribe his actions so they be without fault, and thus complying set a good example to others (63)." An engraving of Claremont, recently discussed by John Harris and which he dated to the period of Newcastle's patronage of Kent, shows a miniature domed pantheon-like temple (unexecuted) with a four column portico on the top of the garden amphitheatre (64). Similarly to Chiswick, in the centre of the circular pond in front of the Pantheon, was set an obelisk. (Fig. 23) The same pantheon-like building with an obelisk in front of it is shown on the first page of a Masonic song-book published in Berlin. (Fig. 24) and appeared in a text vignette in in Shaftesbury's Characteristik of Men.. (1714) where it was shown as "Templum felicitatis" (Fig. 25).
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Obelisks: No.
Pillars: Yes.
Actually, that explains a lot... Continental Freemasonry being the key word there. Obelisks don't mean squat in American lodges, but it's possible that they do in lodges now considered by Americans and UGLE as "irregular." So, of course any Mason here who doesn't recognize Grand Orient de France is going to hear you talk about Masonic obelisks and wonder what the heck you're talking about. (And from what I've gathered, most of the Masons on ATS are from "regular" lodges.)
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Albert Mackey:
In Continental Freemasonry the monument in the Master's Degree is often made in the form of an obelisk, with the letters MB inscribed upon it. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry Vol. 2 [1909], Kessinger 2003, p. 727.)
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Actually, that explains a lot... Continental Freemasonry being the key word there. Obelisks don't mean squat in American lodges, but it's possible that they do in lodges now considered by Americans and UGLE as "irregular." So, of course any Mason here who doesn't recognize Grand Orient de France is going to hear you talk about Masonic obelisks and wonder what the heck you're talking about. (And from what I've gathered, most of the Masons on ATS are from "regular" lodges.)
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Albert Mackey:
In Continental Freemasonry the monument in the Master's Degree is often made in the form of an obelisk, with the letters MB inscribed upon it. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry Vol. 2 [1909], Kessinger 2003, p. 727.)
[edit on 5/21/2008 by JoshNorton]
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Obelisks: No.
Pillars: Yes.
Wrong.
Mackey: right; Rockpuck: wrong.
Curl: right; Rockpuck: wrong.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Now go find a conspiracy about how Freemasons made every ionic pillar ever made!
*insert rude comment here*
Originally posted by Rockpuck
I really don't see a need for that kind of talk. I cannot fathom