reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
The problem with that is, These masons are you governors, Presidents, Mayors, Judges, Bank owners and cooperate ceo's. During the dark ages they were
forced to go underground because of the catholics. They have mastered the skills of working in the dark.
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reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 06:36 PM by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
You deliberately couch your apologetics in terms of the present. It may very well be that your entire premise for even posting is to play down the numerous conspiracies of the past, and to sugarcoat the brethren of today.
Correct me if I'm wrong, and please elaborate to the fullest.
You deliberately couch your apologetics in terms of the present. It may very well be that your entire premise for even posting is to play down the numerous conspiracies of the past, and to sugarcoat the brethren of today.
Correct me if I'm wrong, and please elaborate to the fullest.
reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 06:44 PM by AugustusMasonicus
reply to post by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
My post is contemporaneous in nature as the majority of conspiracies I read concerning Masonry revolve around the topics I listed in my original post.
In regards the past, other then the Morgan affair, to what specifically are you refering?
My post is contemporaneous in nature as the majority of conspiracies I read concerning Masonry revolve around the topics I listed in my original post.
In regards the past, other then the Morgan affair, to what specifically are you refering?
reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 06:48 PM by JoshNorton
reply to post by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
See, that's where you and I have disagreed in other threads. While I do agree that history is important, and should be known, what's happening right now in the world is a heck of a lot more important. It would be easy to say that during WWII and shortly thereafter the number of men who became Masons was at its highest level. And you could (and perhaps you would) leave it there. But it can also be shown that numbers have fallen significantly and steadily since that time.
A lot of people who believe in Masonic conspiracy today do so because they believe that the numbers today are as great or greater than they were, and that's simply not true.
I'll grant that in the past there have been Masonic presidents, governors, congressmen and what-have-you. I'll then turn around and say that if proportions are in any way close to the same, then the number of politicians who are active Masons is likely 1/20th or less of whatever that number was 60+ years ago. And that is significant. People aren't as interested in becoming Masons. Politicians are people. Ergo politicians aren't as interested in becoming Masons. Are there some today? I don't doubt there may be a handful. Are they running the government? No, and I leave it to any theorist here to prove that they are.
See, that's where you and I have disagreed in other threads. While I do agree that history is important, and should be known, what's happening right now in the world is a heck of a lot more important. It would be easy to say that during WWII and shortly thereafter the number of men who became Masons was at its highest level. And you could (and perhaps you would) leave it there. But it can also be shown that numbers have fallen significantly and steadily since that time.
A lot of people who believe in Masonic conspiracy today do so because they believe that the numbers today are as great or greater than they were, and that's simply not true.
I'll grant that in the past there have been Masonic presidents, governors, congressmen and what-have-you. I'll then turn around and say that if proportions are in any way close to the same, then the number of politicians who are active Masons is likely 1/20th or less of whatever that number was 60+ years ago. And that is significant. People aren't as interested in becoming Masons. Politicians are people. Ergo politicians aren't as interested in becoming Masons. Are there some today? I don't doubt there may be a handful. Are they running the government? No, and I leave it to any theorist here to prove that they are.
reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 06:53 PM by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
The topics you listed in your original post are poppycock! Ignoramuses post stuff such as that! You don't need to be a supporter of Freemasonry to even debunk such fluff.
Once again it seems calculated to me.
If you want your average ignorant responses then by all means continue on. It seems like you want such responses, otherwise you wouldn't brought up Icke, Satanism, pedophilia, etc. ...
The topics you listed in your original post are poppycock! Ignoramuses post stuff such as that! You don't need to be a supporter of Freemasonry to even debunk such fluff.
Once again it seems calculated to me.
If you want your average ignorant responses then by all means continue on. It seems like you want such responses, otherwise you wouldn't brought up Icke, Satanism, pedophilia, etc. ...
reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 07:36 PM by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
You started the thread ... where's the beef? It seems, yes, you do need to spend an inordinate amount of time compiling what it is you are haphazardly referring to.
Start with one exact example. ...We can go from there.
You started the thread ... where's the beef? It seems, yes, you do need to spend an inordinate amount of time compiling what it is you are haphazardly referring to.
Start with one exact example. ...We can go from there.
reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 09:33 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
IMO, they can not prove any Masonic cospiracy because no general "Masonic conspiray" exists. You may be able to find the occasional thing like the P2 Lodge or something but it would be the most fantastic idea that millions of people around the world were all able to keep a plot under raps.
As far as the posters with the absurd theories, I feel that they are the same sort of people that would run for cover if you told them the sky was falling! I don't think that any of them really think that they will gain a sense of notoriety by posting anything on ATS. It is a good site but it isn't the path to superstardom. Those are the people that believe everything that they read in the morning paper, evening news, and politicians speaches (unless they are suspected Masons). And one day they watched an Icke or Jones documentary and took the bait if you will. Hook, line, and sinker. And no matter how much you try to show them that they are believeing without evidence they will never let it go.
Just for future knowlege I do favor the Jones documentaries as far as the NWO idea goes. I just don't buy the whole "Masonic evil doer" thing anymore. I grew up and learned to reason for myself.
[edit on 20-5-2008 by lazy1981]
IMO, they can not prove any Masonic cospiracy because no general "Masonic conspiray" exists. You may be able to find the occasional thing like the P2 Lodge or something but it would be the most fantastic idea that millions of people around the world were all able to keep a plot under raps.
As far as the posters with the absurd theories, I feel that they are the same sort of people that would run for cover if you told them the sky was falling! I don't think that any of them really think that they will gain a sense of notoriety by posting anything on ATS. It is a good site but it isn't the path to superstardom. Those are the people that believe everything that they read in the morning paper, evening news, and politicians speaches (unless they are suspected Masons). And one day they watched an Icke or Jones documentary and took the bait if you will. Hook, line, and sinker. And no matter how much you try to show them that they are believeing without evidence they will never let it go.
Just for future knowlege I do favor the Jones documentaries as far as the NWO idea goes. I just don't buy the whole "Masonic evil doer" thing anymore. I grew up and learned to reason for myself.
[edit on 20-5-2008 by lazy1981]
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