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Gelli was Master of a Masonic Lodge by the name of Propaganda Due or P. 2. under the Grand Orient of Italy - a Grand Lodge in recognition with the UGLE and most other 'mainstream' Masonic grand lodges.
HOWEVER, here is where the story takes an interesting turn. The Lodge "Propaganda Due" was consecrated in 1895 but unfortunately, it suffered from the infiltration of both political and business elements (as some would argue is common throughout Italian organizations) to such a degree that
Masonic authorities felt obliged in 1976 to close the lodge (Decree No. 444 L.S. of June, 1976). Lucio Gelli who was its master was expelled from Freemasonry.
originally posted by: KAOStheory
I read thru the Wiki on it a bit, and honestly i can't make sense of, let alone care at all, exactly when or why they were "excommunicated" from "official" Masonry, but i do know that they continued to practice the rituals, use the symbols, and call themselves Masons in their worldly, politically dastardly affairs.
I don't recall if it was you or another who told me that Jay-Z was perfectly ok making Masonic emblem clothing, and anyone could wear the symbol as it's not copyrighted by Masons...maybe it should be?
Seems anyone who is a "low-ranking" Mason could just start a lodge (like the newb who founded P2) and do whatever they want under your banner of protection...
- and let's not pretend the bumper stickers are just decoration, ok? We all know better than that. I have friends who are cops, friends who are Masons, and friends who are both.
Do you think P2 could have done what they did if not claiming Masonry? If they could, why did they then?! It's not a non-issue, seems like a BIG issue to me! I know people in for more than 2 years you might want to worry about in that department, I have a hard time believing there aren't a lot more in this world, day, & age.
The point is, the name and symbol mean something important - why would you not protect yourselves from those who would misuse it like P2, and give you all such a bad name for such a long time?
Just hoping to clear this up for those of us who don't know the answers to these questions - again, sorry if you've covered it but this thread is LONG. Just tell me which page and i'll read it - I'm not a fan of repeating myself - especially in typing - and wouldn't ask you to either.
To be more specific - how is this NOT a Masonic conspiracy? If the answer is "they were no longer an official lodge," my (and others i'm sure) reply would be, how do we know that? The Grand Lodge says so? Sorry but that's as believable to us as a government paid coroner saying the cop didn't kill the victim. Just trying to show you what it looks like to "us" and get your side of it, I'm sure I'm wrong about a lot of it, but hey, that's why i'm asking.
originally posted by: KAOStheory
Thank you -
wow, really - for taking the time to address the many things I spat out individually.
Seriously, you did shine light on the matter for me, and likely, other non-Masons.
I suppose anyone can, and actually it's happened to me, claim to be an employee of my company, or even sillier, a member of my band, when in fact, they are not.
Again, also suppose Masonry can be held no more accountable for the rogue acts of a few than I can -
unless proven otherwise...
the conspiracy junkies here will say it's just because you're so good at hiding it, and I still can't 100% bank on that not being a possibility...but hey, this is a conspiracy site, so pics or it didn't happen, right?
So either Masons are the absolute best at not being affiliated with the conspiracies they are accused of being affiliated with, or they are innocent - either way, the OP remains unchallenged.
I'm going to go ahead and respectfully take the opportunity to point out an absurd statement frequently repeated, pertaining to the Denver International Airports' Masonic Stone -
"The stone is accredited to the New World Airport Commission, which doesn't even exist!"
Anyhoo, all that silliness aside, curious as to you and Network Dudes' take and/or any "secrets" you can share about the DIA - it's obviously a Masonic structure, the murals are weird to be kind, and my ex can vouch for the unsettling low-frequency vibrations emitting from the floor from her own 3-hour layover there. I work in Vibro-Acoustic and Sound Therapies, so she knows what's no bueno.