The Reverse-Conspiracy-Theory

Its all very interesting but here is a fact . Any one who pursues , gathers , and uses , large amounts of power and influence, has already become too corrupt to use it . All the goverments of the world have evil laced through thier foundations . Any group who could logicaly control these corrupt and villainous bastards , must be some kinda filthy scum with to much cash and no respect for the little guy , otherwise the world wouldnt SUCK so damned much .
There hasnt been a paragon of virtue in a position to make a difference since Joan of Arc and even she was a murdering nut job . So to be honest , every single person who wishes to gain and weild power, has an evil force at thier back. No matter what name you give them , them who watch in the shadows are evil beyond the imaginings of pretty much the sickest among us .

reply to post by TrueBrit


Not at all. Most people in power have achieved their position through work, focus and the desire to make a difference.

The idea that anyone in a position of authority is evil is an idea developed by an insecure child who has lost touch to other people.

Look up "mean world syndrome" on google. Its a mental illness.

Seeing that those who hate "the Illuminati" (analogous to "The Elite") are religious zealouts, racists, bigots and fearmongers it must necessarily follow that the Illuminati are everything the fearmongers hate: Forces of love and intelligence.

Actually this does not necessarily follow as another option is an evil Illuminati which uses peoples hate to control those people. Leaving them free to pose as any kind of evil imaginable, or good, all the while being unhindered in their efforts. Your argument is good, but your lack of specific examples, sources, and this defect in your reasoning I've pointed out make it no more plausible than any other conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

I find it much more likely that their plans are independent of any absolute value judgment, and only involving the rest of us in so much as they need to manipulate the masses in order to achieve any end.

If such a group exists, I doubt their real ends would involve something so banal as oppressive world government or making everyone happy.

A lot of work went into this however, it suffices to say that the true conspiracy that Adam Weishaupt brought to American, gave to Mazzini, on to Clinton Roosevelt [1841] then to karl marx, Ritter. Quote from my research.

while Karl Marx was writing the "Communist Manifesto" under the director of one group of Illuminists, Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis under the direction of another group.
The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger members of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other. And particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions.

The work Ritter started was continued after his death and completed by the German so-called philosopher Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzache who founded Nietzscheanism. This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to foment World War I and II.





reply to post by Skyfloating

Your suppositions are completely void of merit. Nice fishing expedition.

they aren't suppositions they are historical fact. I have copies of the documents, actual research and the events did happen. If you took the time to even do a basic research study you will find that the "suppositions" are supported by factual historical evidence and irrefutable. Its not even debatable. Sort of like debating whether or not you were born and whether the borth certificate is really you.....



reply to post by mcguyvermanolo

These are true to form and ALL support my alleged suppostions to a tee. The government has lied for longer than you want to know. These books are irrefutable in their historical research. So, unless you know for sure, you can't call them weak suppositions when the events actually happened. These represent only a snapshot of the rest available for the true searcher.....


Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
reformed-theology.org...

Pawns in the Game
yamaguchy.netfirms.com...

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
www.reformation.org...

The perspectives of Nietzsche
www.pitt.edu...

Clinton Roosevelt's Communist Manifesto
www.reformation.org...

War is a Racket by Major General Smedley Butler
www.ratical.org...




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reply to post by tgambill


NICE LIST !

I'd like to add , Satan prince of this world

and The Curse of Canaan and Murder by Injection and Fifty years in the church of rome

Octopus by Danny Casolero

Vatican Holocaust in Croatia - Avro Manhatten

A Foreign Conspiracy - Samuel Morse

The Secret Terrorists

The Two Babylons - Alexander Hislop

From Major Jordans Diaries - Maj George Racey Jordan


I think you'll find that there are a bunch of NEW AGERS here, that never read this stuff and haven't got a clue. I remember when I was exactly the same !

I wasn't born knowing any of that stuff, I'm sure you weren't either. All we can do is hope someone gets curious enough to start digging.



[edit on 20-4-2008 by toasted]

I'm on them, THANKS!!. It took me only the last two years to start believing this. The only way was because I was working in Kosovo for five years and experienced the rebuilding. The news was told to me while I was there and the US news didn't match what I was actually experiencing. This raised up flags........So, I started digging. It still took me a long time to sort it all out. What a sort it turned out to be. You know, we are literally living in a snow globe or in a fish tank kept by owners.....just like fish, thinking we are free.......Its a hard pill to swallow. Satan has done a masterful job.

The truth will come out eventually when God's turn comes or when he deems it time to end all of this...........The falling away of the church is next and its happening. Joel Osteen, BillyGraham, Robert Sheuller, Copeland, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, Benny Hinn [fake healer], and many more are going to follow to the new age way of thinking.........buckle up.




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Originally posted by toasted

I think you'll find that there are a bunch of NEW AGERS here, that never read this stuff and haven't got a clue. I remember when I was exactly the same !

Well...Im one of those "new agers" and have happened to read most of the stuff mentioned.

While I find some c-theories appealing and well-researched (such as the idea of communism and capitalism having been artificially created by a third party)...

many other c-theories (such as the ones mentioned in the opening post) are not only garbage but detrimental to society.

This is the same ole story. You people call it garbage, nonsense, crap...etc, but you can't refute even one book full of facts by Anthony Sutton, Gary Allen, William G. Carr, the list goes on and on..as they attest to the same facts and in many cases just add more to the pot of deception that the Illuminai, Hew agers, Satanist that you people try to debunk.

I assure you of one thing, you will not win this war. Opppps, I lied Two things, the truth will come out and there is nothing you can do about it. In due time there will be a revival for the last time that will stagger the mind. At the same time, Satan will also pour out his lies and deceit for those that are willing to believe the lies that Joel Osteen, Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Copeland, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, Benny Hinn, and others are telling about the many different ways to salvation. This has recently started coming to light and it is foretold in the Bible of the falling away. Its now happening. The New Agers have inflitrated the government, churches, homes, work, business, but they will fail. Right now they don't know it yet.

In the "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" by Constance Cumbey, 1983, she very well describes the New age movement and how it was integrated into our society, especially in the 1960's through drugs, TM, flower chidren, free love, all the hippy culture, and in 1975 the New Age was brought into the public eye. It was brainwashing Americans from day one; remember the song "Age of Aquarius", this was but one of the many ways, through song, groups, etc.....Also during that time the CIA [work horse of the elite] was smuggling tons upon tons of drugs in specially built airport in Ark. and other locations to flood the streets of Harlem, cities, for the 60's culture change leading to the rise of the New Age Movement, reducing the family structure and any sense of morality in these areas. Adam Weishaupt's plan has been working perfectly as drawn up.

His program called for a world revolution step by step. In summary, it included the following:

Abolition of ordered government, inheritance, private property, patriotism to national states, family, sex laws, and moral codes, finally religion based on faith in God. One thing in the 1800's they didn't count on or figure significantly was Islam. This became an issue in the early 1900's but solved starting in the 1920's to 1930's. I can give you exactly what Britian and the US Illuminati did to solve this if you are interested but it lead us to Al Qaeda and a fake war on terrorism. Weishaupt plan was passed to Mazzini in the 1830's, then to Clinton Roosevelt [ancestorial cousin to the "traitor" FDR] in 1841 who then passed the document to Karl Marx in 1841. Karl (Moses) Marx then wrote the Communist Manifesto from this document. In 1847, Marx joined one of the branch organizations of the Illuminati called the "League of the Just". It is a fact that for a certain length of time Mazzini [European leader of the Illuminized Freemasonary and Marx were closely associated. They used Marx to subvert the growing Socialist Labour movement. Marx was so well connected that the revolutionaries called themselves Spartacusts (after Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati pseudonym), before becoming known as Bolsheviks and later as communist. Also don't forget Albert Pikes role during this time, planning WWI, WWII, WWIII from 1850's to 1871....fact and supported by documentation located in a European library.....

It is interesting to note that Marx was had "Moses" as part of his original name. He was Christian. He however like the rest of them, especially Albert Pike, became Luciferians or Satanist. Many decades later, traditionally keeping it in the family line, FDR was going to set up a dictatorship, recorded fact by his own words in March 1939 in a secret meeting of the Ways and means committee......fact. it now leads us up to this day and the third phase. Your new age movement is made to look peaceful, but its now, I assure you. Your leaders on high are as evil as one can even begin to imagine.....even many Christian leaders are turning to the new age philosophy and we will have our own house to doubt. you better take a very close look the truth is coming out.




reply to post by Skyfloating

Althou the OP theroy is well written , the author has not taken reality in to perspective ,
for that theory to be "valid" one has to asume that all the suffering in the world today
that has been handed out by WTO UN NATO etc and the rest of the so called Elitist organisations would serve a good purpouse

i dont know what freedom you are reffering to ?
freedom to not have water
freedom to be raped by soldiers of occuping forces
spiritual enlightment deliverd in the form of a bullet or bomb

by ignoring the state we are in ( the world ) in such a manner as to say its all reversed makes you your self a pawn in their
game, or the very least a dissinfo agent

all your theory does is justifying "their" actions of genocide, rape, atrocities, famin and not to mention a one world goverment

do you have a grandfather or some relative who fought in ww2 ?

if you do recall that war was agains a man who wanted a one world goverment.

, , ,

we dont need a one world goverment to achive deep space flight or outer space colonisation ,
all we need to do is re direct the money the elitiest are using on mindless and illogical wars

simple as that ,...

Originally posted by tgambill
This is the same ole story. You people call it garbage, nonsense, crap...etc, but you can't refute even one book full of facts by Anthony Sutton, Gary Allen, William G. Carr, the list goes on and on..as they attest to the same facts and in many cases just add more to the pot of deception that the Illuminai, Hew agers, Satanist that you people try to debunk.

Some of the things (not all) described in these books are happening, are factual. But my INTREPRETATION of these events are different. While you interpret everything to have a negative/evil meaning, I dont.

I assure you of one thing, you will not win this war. Opppps, I lied

Two things, the truth will come out and there is nothing you can do about it. In due time there will be a revival for the last time that will stagger the mind. At the same time, Satan will also pour out his lies and deceit for those that are willing to believe the lies that Joel Osteen, Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Copeland, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, Benny Hinn, and others are telling about the many different ways to salvation. This has recently started coming to light and it is foretold in the Bible of the falling away. Its now happening. The New Agers have inflitrated the government, churches, homes, work, business, but they will fail. Right now they don't know it yet.

As the new ager I am I focus mainly on "how can we make this world a more gentle, more repsectful, more tolerant place?" while evangelical christians focus on seeing evil everywhere.

In the "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" by Constance Cumbey, 1983, she very well describes the New age movement and how it was integrated into our society, especially in the 1960's through drugs, TM, flower chidren, free love, all the hippy culture, and in 1975 the New Age was brought into the public eye. It was brainwashing Americans from day one; remember the song "Age of Aquarius", this was but one of the many ways, through song, groups, etc.....Also during that time the CIA [work horse of the elite] was smuggling tons upon tons of drugs in specially built airport in Ark. and other locations to flood the streets of Harlem, cities, for the 60's culture change leading to the rise of the New Age Movement, reducing the family structure and any sense of morality in these areas. Adam Weishaupt's plan has been working perfectly as drawn up.

Yes, they were brainwashing people to get off the whole negative-trip and the "My religion is better than yours" frenzy. Really evil stuff.

His program called for a world revolution step by step. In summary, it included the following:

Abolition of ordered government, inheritance, private property, patriotism to national states, family, sex laws, and moral codes, finally religion based on faith in God. One thing in the 1800's they didn't count on or figure significantly was Islam. This became an issue in the early 1900's but solved starting in the 1920's to 1930's. I can give you exactly what Britian and the US Illuminati did to solve this if you are interested but it lead us to Al Qaeda and a fake war on terrorism. Weishaupt plan was passed to Mazzini in the 1830's, then to Clinton Roosevelt [ancestorial cousin to the "traitor" FDR] in 1841 who then passed the document to Karl Marx in 1841. Karl (Moses) Marx then wrote the Communist Manifesto from this document. In 1847, Marx joined one of the branch organizations of the Illuminati called the "League of the Just". It is a fact that for a certain length of time Mazzini [European leader of the Illuminized Freemasonary and Marx were closely associated. They used Marx to subvert the growing Socialist Labour movement. Marx was so well connected that the revolutionaries called themselves Spartacusts (after Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati pseudonym), before becoming known as Bolsheviks and later as communist. Also don't forget Albert Pikes role during this time, planning WWI, WWII, WWIII from 1850's to 1871....fact and supported by documentation located in a European library.....

It is interesting to note that Marx was had "Moses" as part of his original name. He was Christian. He however like the rest of them, especially Albert Pike, became Luciferians or Satanist. Many decades later, traditionally keeping it in the family line, FDR was going to set up a dictatorship, recorded fact by his own words in March 1939 in a secret meeting of the Ways and means committee......fact. it now leads us up to this day and the third phase. Your new age movement is made to look peaceful, but its now, I assure you. Your leaders on high are as evil as one can even begin to imagine.....even many Christian leaders are turning to the new age philosophy and we will have our own house to doubt. you better take a very close look the truth is coming out.

Yes, I read how the story goes. Fact is, I dont care for communism at all and neither does the new age movement.

Your threats of "winning the war" reveal the mentality you have bought into.

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I assume you are writing this while sitting in front of your own personal computer, with enough stuff to eat in your kitchen, enough drinking water, enough clothes to wear, and enough safety to go outside for a walk.

True?

Yes.

So what is reality then.

hmm
depends on who´s reality you are reffering to

but lets asume that the OP is valid then we must at the same time, .. whats the word , accept ..

accept that the suffering in darfur is something good something that we acturly benefit from in the long run
or that the war in iraq is something that the iraqie ppl are very fond of and realy enjoing
or that a one world goverment where you can be imprisoned for years with out trail or lawyer is something we all would benefit from ,..


but to answer your questions ,
yes i sit by my computer
yes i have a kitchen and a fridge with food ive collected and grown and slaughterd
yes i have drinking water, i live by the sea
yes i have clothes , some made outside the boarders of my country and clothes that are made with in the boarders of my country
yes its very safe to walk here outside , in the day time and yes in the night time as well


i dont see how any of thouse questions have anything to do with justifying atrocities or genocide or directly controled famin.

what i do see is that the so called " one world agenda " is acturly tearing down the structure of societies and directy causeing the famin , genocide and the atrocities,

for example , here in finland we for some reason have a weath shortage , milk shortage , meat shortage and sugar shortage
and the funnie thing about thouse shortages are /is thats its directly linked to the E.U and its policies

things were quite good a few years ago when you could grow weath and sugar and you could keep livestock
but for some reason the EU has restricted the growing of weath and sugar , instead we have to import
corn or someother ethanol based crop and realie on aspartame and succorose instead of sugar.

as for milk and meat it to has been very restricted these days , only a chosen few are alowed to keep livestock,

so for me to asume that a nwo is good and brings benefits for/to my country is very absurd, sorry

this was an almost self surficient country before e.u , now we must rely on others because we are not alowed to be self substaind,


sorry for gramar and language errors.

Originally posted by zerbot565
but lets asume that the OP is valid then we must at the same time, .. whats the word , accept ..accept that the suffering in darfur is something good something that we acturly benefit from in the long run

No, thats not my reasoning. The war in darfur isnt conducted by "The Illuminati" but by angry tribes.

but to answer your questions ,
yes i sit by my computer
yes i have a kitchen and a fridge with food ive collected and grown and slaughterd
yes i have drinking water, i live by the sea
yes i have clothes , some made outside the boarders of my country and clothes that are made with in the boarders of my country
yes its very safe to walk here outside , in the day time and yes in the night time as well


i dont see how any of thouse questions have anything to do with justifying atrocities or genocide or directly controled famin.

They do. Because you are singling out the 5% of the world that is still suffering and ignoring the 95% of the world that is...like you...not suffering AT ALL.

as for milk and meat it to has been very restricted these days , only a chosen few are alowed to keep livestock, .

Those are problems. And they have to be sorted out between Finnland and the EU. The solution is not to go around screaming about the NWO and reptilian pedophile shapeshifters taking over the world, but through diplomatic skill.

sorry for gramar and language errors.

No problem.

Besides guys...nowhere am I saying that ALL conspiracy-theory is crap. Im talking about 30-40%. But this 30-40 is so crappy that its dangerous.

I agree, if some conspiracy theory is taken too seriously it might begin to damage progress. WHile i dont agree with the current US administration, there are other governments worldwide that truely represent a peaceful solution and wish to bring society to the next step. The problem is that the current trend is anti govt. People have to start educating themselves on politics and go out and vote. If not several years down the road they will just decide who is going to be prez at the flip of a coin. Bush woud have probably lost if voter confidence was high. So when I hear people complain about Bush the first thing i ask is "well who did you vote for"?

[edit on 08/4/20 by metaldemon2000]

presidents are puppets! their advisors are life long politicians like kissinger, Zbiginew bryzenski, and the like. they are "king makers".

politicians get the slack for policy's and they stand first in line should the public ever revolt. It was not always this way, but after the money masters got the federal reserve passed in 1913, the system has become increasingly corrupt. Remember the United States was once a very free nation, not many country's in the history of the world can say this. But the Cabal is relentless and tried to gain back control of the u.s. The "fed" or central bank was abolished twice since 1776, when we had congressmen with a backbone, but the third try in 1913 was a charm and now the U.S is a shell of it's former integrity (politically speaking)

the multinational and elitiest's dont give a flying f**K about you or me.

they are "cold" cunning intelligent "business men" who care about perpetuating their wealth and sphere of influence/power. They belive in survival of the financially fittest. They care about creating a public who is dumbed down and focused on material excess (as succsess) as well as docile.

They are students of history, so much as to understand how to dictate and gain control of a "soverign nations's" economy's based on debt and credit and how long this can be sustained before collapsing under debt (basically a dramatic lowering of the standard of living) they also understand this time period represents historically when revolt and a threat to their hierarchy of influence and power is high. They developed and perfected a a system of media control. (till the internet) They develop and manipulate and exaggerate problems (war on terror), (global warming) to mold them into the solution's they already had in mind, with the goal of willfully herding people into the infrastructure they are building whose goal is to perpetuate their system thru periods of economic and or social upheavel in a more orderly fashion. They are patient and flexible. They see educated informed masses as a threat, as well as rising populations. They delude themselves into thinking that putting millions of lives in danger is a means to an end. although they themselves rarely do the dirty work (out of sight out of mind). They are focused and they meet frequently and shape the course of our history, and they use peoples tendency's to create a wall of cognitive dissonance to maintain a blissful state of ignorance which they were to taught to believe since they molded their educational material. Their are many groups in every nation (even multi national) that act in concert and this is a function of being organized and human, and by no means are all of them acting in accordance with all the same goals, but at the "top" they all at least share one goal, perpetuating a system where they can reap the rewards. Below the top level are willing indoctrinated players who cherish the lifestyle that is provided to them for thier service, some are ignorant and some may be aware "something is not right" but often their knowledge is compartmentalized and the fear of consequences from speaking up , shuts them up.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by cpdaman]

[edit on 20-4-2008 by cpdaman]

may I butt in and say, that you have been doing your homework unlike the masses on both sides.......great comments.



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