Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
So that's why we lost so much of our freedom and the world is pretty much going down the drain?

Except...its not. Its steadily and continously improving. Thanks to the workings of those in power.

Besides that, how does the existence of the German concentration camps disprove the horrors commited by the IDF during their horrible militaty occupation of Palestine?

The mid-east conflict doesnt come close to the Holocaust. More reply later.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Except...its not. Its steadily and continously improving. Thanks to the workings of those in power.

I think the crux of the argument that most conspiracies are sisnister in nature comes from the idea that things are getting better in spite of those in power, rather than because of them (in most cases). It tends to be the mavericks, the rebels that vastly improve society from the ground up and from outside the system, rather than the old guard politicians and authorities.

I'm not disagreeing with your reverse conspiracy theory. I'm just saying why I think other people might.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
So that's why we lost so much of our freedom and the world is pretty much going down the drain?

Except...its not. Its steadily and continously improving.

In no way did the Western world improve, with exception of technology. Especially the last five decades, the Western world totally degenerated.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Besides that, how does the existence of the German concentration camps disprove the horrors commited by the IDF during their horrible militaty occupation of Palestine?

The mid-east conflict doesnt come close to the Holocaust.

First of all, it just depends on the source. Many sources speak of daily taunting, torture and murder of innocents by Israel in Palestinian occupied territories, while there are also quite some sources who state that the Holocaust story is an exaggeration of the facts and that there was no genocide at all..... an of course, in both cases there is a lot of evidence.

Second, whether or not one compares with the other is irrelevant. Just because one evil is greater than another, that doesn't make the lesser evil irrelevant. The Israeli opression of Palestine is plain inhuman and it makes no difference whether or not Jews were victim of a genocidal plot during the 1940s.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Here´s what some conspiracy-theories have led to:

In the middle ages millions of "heretics" and "witches" were killed due to the conspiracy of them "being in league with satan". If for example you proposed healing through liquids derived from plants or if you said "the earth is round" there was a good possibility of getting killed.

In the 30s of our times there was a conspiracy theory titled "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Even though it was a hoax begun by the russian secret police, it influenced hitlers view of the world and led to the mass-slaughtering of millions.

In the soviet-union and communist china the conspiracy-theorists thought there is a capitalist-conspiracy to suppress the common folk. This led to anyone who was succesful or intelligent to be sent to prison, killed or sent to working farms.

Today we have "jihadists" with their conspiracy-theory of "U.S.A, the great satan". As a consequence we have conspiracy-theorists wearing sucide-bombing suits.

Good post and and a good read.This quote here sums up conspiracy theories and their impact.Conspiracy theories are NOT new.They have been around since the dawn of civilization and ill bet you dollars to donuts that other worlds thus other life and civilizations,have the same thing in their own cultures.Each country on earth seems to have their own niche of conspiracies in the world.Most are way out there,but like this post said there are real conspiracies that WILL be found out one way or another.

I support freedom of speech.But when that freedom of speech leads to people being killed for no other reason than just being demonized because of the actions of a few,well i got a problem with that and those who perpetuate that evil are my enemy.
For example,Osama is a Saudi does that give me the right to go a shoot saudis here in north america or Europe?No
Now of course some of you people out there will argue for some of the most wicked and evil systems in the world.These being communism,facism,and socialism.All 3 are guilty of killing millions who didnt agree with those policies ,Stalin being the worst and Hitler a close second for trying to exterminate one culture of people.
So you want to be a "national socialist"?Go ahead but dont think for one minute youll be voted in with the peoples blessing.Hitler tried to rebel in germany in 1923 was it?or 1924?And most germans didnt support him.Even when he got elected in 1933 he captured 40% of the vote.That means 60% of people voted against him with most votes going to communists and the catholic party at the time.

Got off topic a bit here.Anyways good post.thanks!

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
So that's why we lost so much of our freedom and the world is pretty much going down the drain?

Except...its not. Its steadily and continously improving.

In no way did the Western world improve, with exception of technology. Especially the last five decades, the Western world totally degenerated.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Besides that, how does the existence of the German concentration camps disprove the horrors commited by the IDF during their horrible militaty occupation of Palestine?

The mid-east conflict doesnt come close to the Holocaust.

First of all, it just depends on the source. Many sources speak of daily taunting, torture and murder of innocents by Israel in Palestinian occupied territories, while there are also quite some sources who state that the Holocaust story is an exaggeration of the facts and that there was no genocide at all..... an of course, in both cases there is a lot of evidence.

Second, whether or not one compares with the other is irrelevant. Just because one evil is greater than another, that doesn't make the lesser evil irrelevant. The Israeli opression of Palestine is plain inhuman and it makes no difference whether or not Jews were victim of a genocidal plot during the 1940s.

Palestine didnt even exist before `1948.It was created so the arabs would have a constant reason to attack Israel.No doubt there are extremists in Israel who support attacking arabs and are racist.But like us here in america,it is our responsibility that we keep these people in check.Israel does alot for rights of arabs living under israeli rule,and yet most dont appreciate it because it isnt a muslim nation.
Also Nazi propaganda FLOURISHED in the arab world up to ,during and after world war 2.Many arab countries supported hitlers war against the jews.So much so that they formed SS units.This is hypocrisy at its worst since the vaunted "supermen" and "pure" bloods needed arab help!
Mein Kampf and protocols of zion were both best sellers in the arab world.How much more proof do you need that Israel is in a battle for its life?
Anyways im not arguing with you.Youre being played quite well by extremists propaganda websites.Of course they arent going to show you Israeli soldiers being bombarded by rocks from children and they respond by throwing candy back at them and the rocks stop.Or israeli medical units treating all forms of wounded no matter who they are.Or politicians fighting for human rights for arabs that have been unjustly imprisoned.Dont even mention Hamas or any other of these idealogically driven groups because real freedom fighters respect human life even those of their enemy.
Many sources quote the US govt being filled with war criminals everyday,but it doesnt mean its true.Every single govt has critics and some are really fanatics and these folk are just as bad as a suicide bomber and some ways worse because of the internet.

No one is perfect so we shouldnt expect govt to be perfect all the time because its not possible at this stage of human evolution.I do know this-if we as a species fail this test( getting along without ideological or religious rhetoric),we will go the way of the dodo and have no one to blame but ourselves.

A russian terrorist put together a wraith army to Hit New orelans , fayetteville and Portland Oregon . The Terrorist was mad over jewl theft from his so called turf and destruction of illegal poppie and coca farmz .

In Kanata we grow poppie and coca and have 12 government weed strainz . G 1 - 12 are legal strains that grow wild in border US . They is our seeds and illegal for other countries to grow unless we sell em . Fire weed is OUR local weed in the north valley so is one other . Both are illegal to sell , they are both used to build pharmacy products . We have 5 other GOK seeds that are ourz only , hybrid . The mexican strains aernt there own in some cases nor are most natural amerikan weed plants . No more " It is OUR weed " there hey you say yanks , 12 ourz naturally , 5 genetic seeds and classified hashish plants .

The wandering salish worshipers is an old gag , you klan types took the wraith army and nucked it and merged it with poor mountian gorillas and now while your setaling off my country you are hitting us with wraith army and crazy CHUD cannibalz from down south . California says they are First world nation , that is Seshy and gunfighter too as well .

New strike eagle squads hey guys , like the F -35 you got 100 thats all she write thats our CF 35 and the strike eagle F 16 is an old AVRO design as well . You planes our designs , we keep patterns for 50 years and sella bit to EAGELS ONLY , same as the old sky trians and all that classified stuff you hate yanks .

Your gay gansg hit us with EU gangs , they call it the United Nations gangs , street fags . No swamp people left in ancient cali landz boyz .

Go away or hang !

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I have thought about reverse conspiracy theory before. Didn't pay attention to it much, but I did change my views to Oneness, and truth seeking.

If the Illuminati's true intentions are to help human kind, then why do all these negative systems exist. Is it to protect us for our own in good with fear to prevent us from destroying ourselves?

nah.

Why all the negativity, why are others who speak of this stuff are being threatened. Why is there so much immorality. Obviously they are spiritual. They ascend through service to self which is negative energy. And why are they trying to stop us civilians from gaining advanced spiritual knowledge? Why is there fluoride in the water, which is known to be a very toxic chemical? Neurotoxins in foods that impair brain function? There's so many questions that go against this reverse conspiracy theory, though the best part of it that I love is that its a possibility. It creates a new angle of discussion.

My guess is that they chose the path of service to self, and with their new hidden powers they want to control us. They get enjoyment from screwing people over, they did choose the path of negative energy. They feed off of it. I don't want this negative energy. A constant battle of dark vs light

I hope this makes sense, don't blow me off as a retarded new age hippy as well. Thank you.

I believe it is not the "NWO" world government idea in it self that makes most people scared.
It is the potential of beeing misused by the worlds power mongers that scares most people away from this idea.
Looking back at the history of humans that i know, i see that power has been abused most of the time.
There for i believe that a "NWO" world government, the way it seems to be set up at this time, is not a good thing for most of the people in this world.

The worlds elite is maybe not in power as one front, as stated in many theories.
But together they still own 90% of all wealth and resources.
As long as normal people like you and me can not claim a piece of that pie, i will not believe that the promised NWO will be a good thing for me, and many others.

I dont think that conspiracies are mostly religious in nature, i think it is in the nature of humans to conspire, it is just more efficient to hunt in groups.






[edit on 8-9-2008 by jaamaan]

Originally posted by lawlb0t

Why all the negativity, why are others who speak of this stuff are being threatened. Why is there so much immorality. Obviously they are spiritual. They ascend through service to self which is negative energy. And why are they trying to stop us civilians from gaining advanced spiritual knowledge? Why is there fluoride in the water, which is known to be a very toxic chemical? Neurotoxins in foods that impair brain function? There's so many questions that go against this reverse conspiracy theory, though the best part of it that I love is that its a possibility. It creates a new angle of discussion.

My guess is that they chose the path of service to self, and with their new hidden powers they want to control us. They get enjoyment from screwing people over, they did choose the path of negative energy. They feed off of it. I don't want this negative energy. A constant battle of dark vs light

There is selfishness in the world. We all grapple with it. But is it the result of a NWO struggle instigated by secret societies? Or does it have something to do with our genes. (It's in our blood?)

Originally posted by Skyfloating

* "The Illuminati" are "the enlightened ones" - forces of progress, goodwill and enlightenment.

* The opponents of "the illuminati" are the forces of death, bigotry, stupidity, oppression, suppresion.

* The "New World Order" will not be a totalitarian surveillance state but a "New Age" of beauty, freedom, diversity, self-determination, peace and prosperity. [/qutoe]

Thing points are the reasons I have yet to accept the NWO conspiracy hook-line-and-sinker. The people that are accused of being evil are the ones that "glow."

I'm a bit spiritual. I have a good sense in being able to discern between evil people and good people. Good people have a "glow" to them. (I sometimes think what I see is the same thing that got depicted as a halo in religious paintings. I used to think everybody could see what I saw until I discovered others couldn't.) Evil people have a darkness to them that has nothing to do with skin color. It's like comparing a 100 watt light bulb to a 40 watt light bulb.

Because of this, I have a hard time believing the NWO conspiracy advocates. When I see them, I see that they don't glow. Yet, what they say makes sense. So I'm having a hard time grappling with this "contradiction" between what I see spiritually and what I think logically.

The NWO conspiracy advocates make a good case. But what I'm finding the more I dig and look into this "rabbit hole" is that their theories and propaganda approach is very similar to the Protocals of Zion that Hitler used to justify his racial cleansing campaign against the Jews and other "undesirables." It also dovetails with the current-day neo-nazi, milita group and KKK mentality.

And then there are these following contradictions:

According to the Di Vinci Code, the secret societies like the Templars and Freemasons were protecting a special lineage from Mary Magdalene and Jesus. How does that make them evil? Wasn't Jesus the bringer of the Light?

It seems to me that most of today's modern scientific and technological advances have been made by Jews. They just seem to have better minds. In the least, they have a culture that supports raising well-educated children.

With this all said, if there is a NWO conspiracy, then it’s the work of a Shadow Government working in cahoots with negative types of aliens. And that’s a whole other “can of worms.”

It's so easy to want to believe that someone else is holding us down. But the cumulative truth of all great teachers is that while the body can be held, the mind, the soul, can not. "tell" this simple "truth" to most and they'll merely shrug and go their own way. It may not get you a free iPod, but it will give you a free spirit. And so then what is the definition of freedom: To do what makes you happy or to be happy in what you do? It's a personal question and the only one that "enlightens". Abandon the material and what have they to hold over you? Therein lies peace.

But in the face of this and the "crisis" that faces the world I find it necessary to remind myself often that all paths are the one path and no matter what we do we are doing exactly what is expected of us: being human. How we effect or afflict those around us with our fears and our judgments is the crux of all human suffering and the nature of sin. So for those without the courage to find the truth of their personal happiness I do all that I can which is to offer them my best.