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Congress Wants Military Draft Reinstated

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posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65
What I like is everyone screams, "Bush wants a draft for Iran!!!!!!", yet it's a Democrat that's always bringing this up in Congress.


This has been debated and debunked to death already.

It's just a back-door ploy by the dumb-o-crats to try and force and end to the war in iraq and also destroy the military so that it would be useless for fighting any future wars.




posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded
I want to add more to this

It will be as followed.

18 - 42

Male and female

None of this 1st born crap you are all going.

College?? so what your gone also.

Canada will return you, I am betting Mexico will also.

Other than that We are all screwed in that age group..

Oh and families 18 -42 mother and father.. You both are gone also.

This is a equal opportunity killing machine, your age, gender, schooling, bg don't apply unless your in the right cliche.


Oh, really? They are going to draft both a mother and father and leave behind infant children? I seriously doubt that.

18-42. The young ones will be in the combat arms, the older "fat 42 year olds" as someone put it, will be doing support. That frees up more younger studs to fight.

So far, I don't think they have asked women to register for the draft, but I don't have a problem with them doing that. They still aren't allowed into the combat arms fields, but have seen their fair share of combat with the medics, MPs, Transportation, etc.

My opinion is that everyone should do some sort of service. Two years in the military, or Red Cross, or whatever. Just do something.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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Here is a few tips for getting out from someone who has gone through the training. After going through it all, I don't see the need to dodge the draft because there are other, legal ways, to get out.

Disclaimer: I am giving you guys this because, as anyone in the service will tell you, I don't want to serve with people who don't want to serve. It's nothing against those that don't want to serve, but I don't want to be in battle next to someone who is not there willingly.

HOW TO GET OUT OF SELECTIVE SERVICE, LEGALLY

Exercise Induced Asthma- go out, get an inhaler, and get a prescription for singulair. It's really easy to do(just lie about the symptoms), and will prevent you from service.

Depression- Even if you are not depressed, go out to your doctor and tell him you are. If you can get a prescription, you are pretty much set. The military doesn't want people who are mentally unstable.

Fail the tests- I know in the Air Force you can get kicked out for not passing the tests. It is an honorable discharge.

At basic training, mess up. Constantly. It may be a while before they kick you out, but you will be released under 'failure to adjust'. The military isn't for everyone, and they know it.

Go to college- Many times if you are doing higher education, they will not allow to be recruited until you graduate.

Act irrational. They will interview you beforehand. Just act like a person who NO ONE would trust with a weapon. Also, they can't arrest you for being weird, but they can decide you are unfit for service.

Don't get along with others- I am not saying you should fight, just be abrasive. This, eventually, will turn into a 'failure to adjust'. Say things like "I just don't like people". This is a warning sign for sociopaths.

Tell your Drill Instructor- Drill instructors are hard people to get along with, but they are there to train you. If you were to go up to your instructor and tell him/her that you don't want to be here, they will find a way to get you out. They will be mean to you and try to make you feel like garbage, but they will help you. The Drill instructor, like me, doesn't want unwilling people in the military.

Don't do anything- Literally, don't do anything. Don't get out of bed, don't do push-ups, don't speak, and do not run. Reluctance, during intense training will show you are unfit for service. This tells them you are depressed and/or mentally not capable of service.



Getting out of it will be easy if you know what to do. They can't give you a dishonorable discharge for not being able to adjust to the military, and no prison time.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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Well, some of those ideas that you put forth that guys can do to get out of the service once they are in are a bit shaky. Sure, you'll probably get discharged, but before that happens, I have two words for you:

Blanket Party.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Unit541

Originally posted by jimuna26
its not about volunteering, its about the law, and it appears that most of you have no respect for the laws. Oh, and by the way, if you believe in this NWO crap, you have left delusional and paranoia a long time ago and have stepped into the realm of dementia.


It is the responsibility of the people to defy unjust, unconstitutional laws. A concept being enacted as law does not make it right. Would you support a law requiring the "euthanasia" of mentally or physically handicapped individuals? Americans blindly following laws simply because they're laws effectively "euthanizes" the very concept of being an American.

To put an end to the brainwashing which has effectively disabled your higher thought process, set the power switch on your television to the off position.


Im not sure how you can compare natural physical deformities and illnesses to serving in the military, but maybe thats something that your delusional mind can only comprehend. Anyways, if you dont like the laws in this country, why dont you elect someone who you think will represent you best instead of crying about it and breaking the laws. I dont think that the definition of a good citizen is someone who defies laws that they perceive to be unjust. If you want to protest a law, I suggest do it in a lawful fashion. Oh, and as far as the "brainwashing" goes, i suggest you not believe everything you hear. Eventually, you will become one of those nutcases who has built a nuclear bunker and stocked it with unreal amounts of supplies just in case the United States nukes its own citizens.

[edit on 3-4-2008 by jimuna26]



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by jimuna26
I dont think that the definition of a good citizen is someone who defies laws that they perceive to be unjust. If you want to protest a law, I suggest do it in a lawful fashion.


I think it's easier for some people just to run than actually take time out of their precious lives to protest something.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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I think it's easier for some people just to run than actually take time out of their precious lives to protest something.

And that is what is truly sad. I have protested this administration's stand on illegal immigration, but i dont go around and try to make a citizens arrest on illegals or go around and kidnap them and haul them back to teh border. Its sad that mos people dont seem to notice that the easiest way to do things are usually the wrong way.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Oh, really? They are going to draft both a mother and father and leave behind infant children? I seriously doubt that.



I knew a married couple that were both in the reservse for the elder Bush try on Iraq. They had one small child, and the wife was 6 months pregnant.

They were both deployed. So, I hate to tell ya, even a pregnant woman was forced to go that I know of. She was a communications specialist, and was not in combat, but she got orders to go, and away she went, even after trying to get out of it with the pregnancy.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
They were both deployed. So, I hate to tell ya, even a pregnant woman was forced to go that I know of. She was a communications specialist, and was not in combat, but she got orders to go, and away she went, even after trying to get out of it with the pregnancy.


Sorry, I find it very hard to believe a woman that was pregnant was forced to deploy.

We sent home women that got pregnant when they were deployed, and anyone that was pregnant didn't even get near the plane (and we had several that wanted to go, even being a couple months pregnant).

Now, did she go overseas, or to a stateside base?



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Horse to water. Water to horse.

Instead of continuing mankind's historical bloody ways, how about we look at drafting in people to form new governments to replace those that fail the people it has been elected to protect by resorting to war as the solution?

Instead of teaching our kids how to shoot and kill maybe we should consider equipping them, and ourselves, with the power of speech and diplomacy in order to bring about peaceful solutions with people of opposing views.

War is nothing but murder and the admittal of the failure of the human race.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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That is very nicely worded my friend.After all war is just as primitive as one can get.The world can't sustain the road we continue down and expect anything more than total destruction.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:43 PM
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It's quite simple really. If an armed conflict is just and warranted, there will be no need for a draft. For instance, if we were facing unprovoked invasion by a hostile nation, I'd be as close to the front of the enlistment line as I could possibly get.

This war is unjust, illegal, and unsupported by the American people, hence, the shortage of volunteers. Americans have never hesitated to die for their country, but we are a little less enthusiastic about killing and dieing to line the pockets of a corrupt political machine that does not server the people.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:51 PM
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She had to go over seas.

For some reason, they would not let her out of her duty until she reported for it. They kept her for 2 weeks and then let her come back home. I don't know if this had something to do with her job sensativity or what.

The point is, it did happen. This couple was given a very short notice to report, and I know they had a hard time getting a relative to look after their other small child. Now, the situation might be different because both of these people were in the reserves, but I don't see how it could be different in the case of a draft.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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While I wholeheartedly agree that there is something definetely screwy with this generation (I admit it even though I'm only in my 20's, I was raised "Old SchooL") don't you think that the draft might be too much??? in your own post you admitted to the problem... they're feeding/leeching off mommy and daddy for longer than they should've. At 15 I had my first job and at 18 my dad said "Ok, you're on your own now" But see that was me, and I'm lucky that I did have a father responsible enough to say "enough is enough now you go on your own" so then... instead of sending this new generation of childre to DIE so they can "learn more responsibilities" wouldn't it be better if we tackled the real problem? the family itself?



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by jimuna26
Im not sure how you can compare natural physical deformities and illnesses to serving in the military, but maybe thats something that your delusional mind can only comprehend.

Silly jimuna, it's not a comparison of natural physical deformities and illnesses and serving in the military. I suppose your delusional mind isn't capable of identifying my statement as an illustration of blind compliance with unjust, immoral, and unconstitutional law.


Originally posted by jimuna26
Anyways, if you dont like the laws in this country, why dont you elect someone who you think will represent you best instead of crying about it and breaking the laws.

First, I tried. Just so happens that nobody I've voted for has been elected. I truly wish however, that I lived in your world where I could simply "go out and elect" someone who would "represent me best". As a patriot, it's my duty to stand in objection of any law which undermines the very principals this country was founded upon.


Originally posted by jimuna26
I dont think that the definition of a good citizen is someone who defies laws that they perceive to be unjust.
The fact that this war is illegal is not a matter of perception. Although, it's hard to perceive anything with your eyes closed. Try opening your lids just a smidge, what you see will blow your mind.


Originally posted by jimuna26
If you want to protest a law, I suggest do it in a lawful fashion.

I'll be sure to carry my picket sign all the way to boot camp.


Originally posted by jimuna26
Oh, and as far as the "brainwashing" goes, i suggest you not believe everything you hear.

LMAO at this one, perhaps you should heed your own advise.


Originally posted by jimuna26
Eventually, you will become one of those nutcases who has built a nuclear bunker and stocked it with unreal amounts of supplies just in case the United States nukes its own citizens.

It's like having an elaborate security system in ones home. It's only paranoia until it saves your family. What makes a prepared individual a nutcase? One day, you may find yourself wishing your nutcase neighbor would let you in.

You have not made one post in this thread that doesn't highlight your most dominant personality trait. That trait being blind, unquestionable, unwaivering obedience. If I prayed, I'd do some for you. Don't worry though, your not alone. Attitudes like yours are the reason we're in this mess in the first place. Because nobody in a position to accomplish anything stood up and said "I don't agree". Instead, you're content to simply swallow anything ends up in your mouth. "It's in my mouth, so I'm supposed to swallow".



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 05:04 PM
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Amen to that Goosdawg! I myself had considered a number of times joining the army, but my motives were always virtuous and for the benefit of my people and the constitution. I really did and would want to join IF everything you just stated was true today. But unfortunately, after seeing the truth behind the screens and seeing all the selfish and greedy corruption that goes on in the "business" of war, I became VERY disillusioned with the idea of joining the service. Which is a shame due to the fact that my grandfather fought in WW2, I held him in hgih regard and wished that I could potentially join the ranks he did. But now I just honestly don't see any virtuous reason to join anymore



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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I see alot of people on here pro draft, pro war. I notice that there not in Iraq now, since there posting. If you were really pro war and killing, you would be there killing, not here pretending your something your not. I won't participate in any war, because they are not necessary, they are fought exclusively for the rich to gain money and land. If everyone refused, there would be peace. How many stories of people murdering babies and raping women do you need to read before you realize it isn't necessary? The mid east is full of murderous angry monsters who willkill every day until there are non left, and thats there right, it's there countries. They don't start wars with us, we do. Britain and France went into the mid east, murdered and raped there way to dominance and redrew the lines of there countries, only angering people, even more then they already are. So the violence continues. If it weren't for oil it would be like Africa, they are free to murder and rape to there hearts contents and we will wait until they evolve a little more and become civil. Of course there still some money hungry de-evolved people running our country forcing us to kill, and it needs to stop.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 06:00 PM
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Your all missing the point (Not all its been said a few times) This was to be put in place, so that the rich, the people who make the decisions, will have to think twice before sending there own children to war.

Read up on it before blowing up and not knowing what the hell your talking about.

This is Not about Bush wanting War,
This is not about the NWO Controlling us.

This is made to make the people in charge think twice before they make hasty decisions. Thats it, thats all.. Nothing more.. I wish people would actually look ito things before spouting off.



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by jerico65
What I like is everyone screams, "Bush wants a draft for Iran!!!!!!", yet it's a Democrat that's always bringing this up in Congress.


This has been debated and debunked to death already.

It's just a back-door ploy by the dumb-o-crats to try and force and end to the war in iraq and also destroy the military so that it would be useless for fighting any future wars.



Please fill us on this debunking. Any links to share?How this can even be debunked. its not a UFO siting. Please fill us in on what there is to Debunk?



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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They have recently armed our most nice of neighbor northern cannucks border guards I saw this coming about 1.2 yrs ago. Read it and weep.



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