reply to post by picrat
I was refering primarily to the money lenders who can be traced from very ancient times unto today. Their tack of getting governments into debt and
then insuring that their people get put in government offices. Then another cycle of debt and another of thier people put into variouis offices to
gaurantee the direction of the next loan cycle. Eventually the government runs huge deficits. This was happening even in Ancient Rome.
Often this even results in war when needed to cover a bad loan by these lenders...or put another lender in a bad spot.
Today it happens to be both lenders and insurance underwriters. How to cover a bad loan or get a government into debt in order to control it.
The more immediate remedy is to force a government to go back to hard moneys. Hence they cannot borrow in the manner they are doing today. As moneys
cannot be created so easily. It will have to be paid in substance.Government can still get into debts but it is not as easily done to the point of
selling an entire nation. The lenders would not have the leeway nor the borrowers. A balanced budget amendment would never get passed by the
legislatures nor a leaders. Hard moneys are more self regulating when the notes issued by government can be called by the moneys being redeemable in
This concept also needs to be taught to the public through the educational system ...a concept which will never be allowed by a deceitful government
who also finances said educational system. It is a closed shop. Governments never teach the public to put light on their doings.
Nonetheless getting governments into debt ..by and by makes the governmnent and hence the peoples the boot lackys for special intrests.
And since they finance public education ..it becomes easy to put a public on a treadmill. The media also shill for this system. That becomes more and
more obvious as time goes by.
Hence ..once again..I dont think Athiests are involved in such a system/religion of deception. This requires a system or religion much more
sophisticated and subtle than Athiests. Athiests do not make good counterfitters as is required for such a system to operate. They can be used in
support of a system like this but I do not give them credit for the religious aspect of such a system.
I too dont think that Christians should be involved in such a system of religion as is politics. A religion of deceit, hijacking, and counterfitting.
I say this particulary since both religious institutions and government are involved in the sham of tax subsidys in the nature of 501c tax
This does not make good nonsense when one thinks it through.
This corporate status is a tax subsidy on the part of the Government and Churchs both. Many of the Churchs in this country are filed as tax exempt
corporations. This is not seperation of church and state on the part of the government and the churchs both. They are both liars and counterfitters
here. They are literally in bed together for a benefit.
You know that logic and reason thing some of the posters on here like to promote as greatness. Look at this non logic through the prisim I am
describing...tax subsidys and Seperation of Church and State. It seems on the surface to be logical ...but underneath where no one is supposed to be
able to see..it does not make good nonsense.
It is contrary to the doctrine of seperation of church and state that both government and churchs like to proclaim. They are both liars and have the
public bamboozled here. They are both counterfitters. They are both involved in a religion for deceptive purposes here.
Once again..give me the name of the god of this religion?? The counterfitter?? The liar??
To put this conversely ...this type of government/politics is now a religion. The religion of lies and deceit. So too are the church leaders who know
this is going on.
Give me the name of the liar of this religion??
But it is so logical..so reasonable.!! Is this not so??
To take this further...when and where did our government begin lying to us in this and so too the churchs?? When did they begin sleeping together and
not tell the public they both claim to serve???
Under the tax exempt corporate status the churchs can be audited if they take stances for which the government does not approve. James Dobson has
learned this lesson by being audited and threatened. So has Pat Robertson. The members of these churchs..however...havent a clue.
I know of only a handful of Churchs who will not give out chits to thier members and have not filed for tax exempt corporate status.
In your post you are correct in your premise...you have not taken it far enough. Many believers are totally unawares of this system operating within
the Churchs and the Churchs want it that way. IN this preachers are teaching a feel good type of Christianity which is actually a sham. For many
churchs have huge debts and cannot get off this tax exempt status. It becomes a drug to them.
The truth is that the governments and churchs both have crossed the line here...they are both phoneys and are parasiting off each other and by this
parasitical relationship they both prey on the public they claim to serve.
For by this predatory relationship between the goverenment and the churchs...the churchs cannot now preach the whole council of God and the
government does not want it preached ..but desire more of a feel good religion. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
Remember what I am telling you here...by being in bed together..government and Churchs are both practicing a religion here and it is not the one
advertised by both of these partys.
This is a description of a counterfit and an counterfitter. But to many it is logical and reasonable.
To those of us who can see it for what it is...it does not make good nonsense.
[edit on 14-4-2008 by orangetom1999]