Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?, page 63

reply to post by Conspiriology

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Son I like your style. When the heart is driving, logic is the backseat driver. The greatest logician to ever live, Solomon, wrote the Proverbs of the Bible. When you debate atheists remember "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions." Their arrogance springs eternal "or Fools rush in where angels fear to tread". Sometimes a proverb goes out of style or degenerates into a cliche. The role of proverbs has changed over time, yet they remain popular. Son you might need to look in your Bible to Proverbs 23:9 "Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words."

Originally posted by Jack Thomas Chick
reply to post by Conspiriology

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Son I like your style. When the heart is driving, logic is the backseat driver. The greatest logician to ever live, Solomon, wrote the Proverbs of the Bible. When you debate atheists remember "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions." Their arrogance springs eternal "or Fools rush in where angels fear to tread". Sometimes a proverb goes out of style or degenerates into a cliche. The role of proverbs has changed over time, yet they remain popular. Son you might need to look in your Bible to Proverbs 23:9 "Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words."

By the way,, I have been alive long enough to call other people son and usually they are not even in their 40's yet. When I do, it is only when I want to be condescending. (hint)




That's the thing about advice, isn't it, the wise don't need it and fools won't heed it. Which one I am can only be known by me unless you think me wise, you wouldn't have offered such good advice.

It was good advice too,, however,, my post wasn't so much to speak to the Atheist but to the Christian who may have had her confidence in her Faith shaken by someone elses use of the logic of legion the language of liars.


I DO appreciate your concern nevertheless



- Con





[edit on 14-4-2008 by Conspiriology]

reply to post by orangetom1999

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Orangetom where do we begin ,how about the bible itself -how long ago was it supposedly written? it states give unto Ceaser that which belongs to Ceaser aka taxes considering that Ceaser was only born 100 years bc so how did romes monetary and govermental system become ours it seems they still have their hands in everyones pockets,i believe- this is how our governments fund and pay for their terror tactics they call war -so how and when did we lose control of these loose cannons and their minions -how about when they started to control the population through their laws and judicial system!!It seems these 2 go hand in hand doubt it i wouldn`t one is the lackie to the other one wrote the history books for the kings now called governments and they did just what they were told or they were killed-they also pay no taxes pretty strange bed fellows agreed.or how about the 60s when the children of rock and roll raised their voices -their heads and their hearts towards the heavens and screamed bloody blue murder any idea why? it wouldn`t be because they saw the unleashing of the light and hellsfire that would destroy all life in this world would it -care to guess -nuclear,atomic ,germ ,chemical,biological or nuclear energy-nuke and atomic can be seen the other two need microscopes with light behind them -question 2years ago there was a huge blackout i wonder how close those nuke plants came to melting down bet we never get an answer.so what happened at kent state -the government turned on its own citizens because they stood up for their beliefs-saying hell no we wont go all they wanted was change -and they shot them in the great halls of learning i wonder where that comes from.so what happened shortly after this i remember the government -the church -millitary and police stood on the steps of one of the usa. government buildings and called the youth of its country long haired drugged crazed hippie satanist killing freaks -and this is recorded on film the archives of the news now do we understand that power corrupts as only the corrupt call themselves the power . and you the people allowed it to afraid to stand up for your beliefs these kids did and some died for it so where were our churches thats right they had their heads stuck in the sand again. there is a song written and the words are quote -if god was here he`d tell us to our faces that man is some kind of sinner -so true!and so on as to the atheists i wouldn`t worry there arn`t enough to take on all faiths beliefs or religions let alone even try. as for the god and his name who cares we are the ones who need to learn to stand up for ourselves as not people of a nation but as the human race united as one species and this will never happen as everyone is my enemy according to my government and its lackies -horse hockey-there is only one way to fix this mess quite voting for them and the people of the world need to start their own political party world wide fund it and back it and vote for it and the insane old men go the way of the dinosaurs extinct by their own rules and laws then we can begin to fix this mess of theirs and never needing to fire a shot to win this war against them all we need to do is take their false god like power away from them-considering that we are still making the same mistakes made in our past history no wonder it repeats itself -i liked your post -if their is a war let us fight it this way not theirs .

reply to post by picrat

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I was refering primarily to the money lenders who can be traced from very ancient times unto today. Their tack of getting governments into debt and then insuring that their people get put in government offices. Then another cycle of debt and another of thier people put into variouis offices to gaurantee the direction of the next loan cycle. Eventually the government runs huge deficits. This was happening even in Ancient Rome.
Often this even results in war when needed to cover a bad loan by these lenders...or put another lender in a bad spot.
Today it happens to be both lenders and insurance underwriters. How to cover a bad loan or get a government into debt in order to control it.

The more immediate remedy is to force a government to go back to hard moneys. Hence they cannot borrow in the manner they are doing today. As moneys cannot be created so easily. It will have to be paid in substance.Government can still get into debts but it is not as easily done to the point of selling an entire nation. The lenders would not have the leeway nor the borrowers. A balanced budget amendment would never get passed by the legislatures nor a leaders. Hard moneys are more self regulating when the notes issued by government can be called by the moneys being redeemable in specie.

This concept also needs to be taught to the public through the educational system ...a concept which will never be allowed by a deceitful government who also finances said educational system. It is a closed shop. Governments never teach the public to put light on their doings.

Nonetheless getting governments into debt ..by and by makes the governmnent and hence the peoples the boot lackys for special intrests.
And since they finance public education ..it becomes easy to put a public on a treadmill. The media also shill for this system. That becomes more and more obvious as time goes by.

Hence ..once again..I dont think Athiests are involved in such a system/religion of deception. This requires a system or religion much more sophisticated and subtle than Athiests. Athiests do not make good counterfitters as is required for such a system to operate. They can be used in support of a system like this but I do not give them credit for the religious aspect of such a system.

Davenman,

I too dont think that Christians should be involved in such a system of religion as is politics. A religion of deceit, hijacking, and counterfitting. I say this particulary since both religious institutions and government are involved in the sham of tax subsidys in the nature of 501c tax exemptions.
This does not make good nonsense when one thinks it through.

This corporate status is a tax subsidy on the part of the Government and Churchs both. Many of the Churchs in this country are filed as tax exempt corporations. This is not seperation of church and state on the part of the government and the churchs both. They are both liars and counterfitters here. They are literally in bed together for a benefit.

You know that logic and reason thing some of the posters on here like to promote as greatness. Look at this non logic through the prisim I am describing...tax subsidys and Seperation of Church and State. It seems on the surface to be logical ...but underneath where no one is supposed to be able to see..it does not make good nonsense.
It is contrary to the doctrine of seperation of church and state that both government and churchs like to proclaim. They are both liars and have the public bamboozled here. They are both counterfitters. They are both involved in a religion for deceptive purposes here.

Once again..give me the name of the god of this religion?? The counterfitter?? The liar??

To put this conversely ...this type of government/politics is now a religion. The religion of lies and deceit. So too are the church leaders who know this is going on.

Give me the name of the liar of this religion??

But it is so logical..so reasonable.!! Is this not so??

To take this further...when and where did our government begin lying to us in this and so too the churchs?? When did they begin sleeping together and not tell the public they both claim to serve???

Under the tax exempt corporate status the churchs can be audited if they take stances for which the government does not approve. James Dobson has learned this lesson by being audited and threatened. So has Pat Robertson. The members of these churchs..however...havent a clue.

I know of only a handful of Churchs who will not give out chits to thier members and have not filed for tax exempt corporate status.

In your post you are correct in your premise...you have not taken it far enough. Many believers are totally unawares of this system operating within the Churchs and the Churchs want it that way. IN this preachers are teaching a feel good type of Christianity which is actually a sham. For many churchs have huge debts and cannot get off this tax exempt status. It becomes a drug to them.

The truth is that the governments and churchs both have crossed the line here...they are both phoneys and are parasiting off each other and by this parasitical relationship they both prey on the public they claim to serve.
For by this predatory relationship between the goverenment and the churchs...the churchs cannot now preach the whole council of God and the government does not want it preached ..but desire more of a feel good religion. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Remember what I am telling you here...by being in bed together..government and Churchs are both practicing a religion here and it is not the one advertised by both of these partys.

This is a description of a counterfit and an counterfitter. But to many it is logical and reasonable.
To those of us who can see it for what it is...it does not make good nonsense.


Thanks,
Orangetom




[edit on 14-4-2008 by orangetom1999]

reply to post by Snoopy64

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there's no such thing as a "fundamental atheist"

let me clarify

fundamental christian: sticks to the fundamentals of christianity
fundamental muslim: sticks to the fundamentals of islam

fundamental atheist: would stick to the fundamentals of atheism

...atheism has only 1 thing, not believing in god
all atheists would be fundamental atheists...


...militant?
write a few best selling books, start organizing on the internet, and start objecting to statements like this:

Davis: I don’t know what you have against God, but some of us don’t have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And it’s really a tragedy — it’s tragic — when a person who is engaged in anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer in school.

I don’t see you (Sherman) fighting guns in school. You know?

I’m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting their children.… What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous, it’s dangerous–

Sherman: What’s dangerous, ma’am?

Davis: It’s dangerous to the progression of this state. And it’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists! Now you will go to court to fight kids to have the opportunity to be quiet for a minute. But damn if you’ll go to [court] to fight for them to keep guns out of their hands. I am fed up! Get out of that seat!

Sherman: Thank you for sharing your perspective with me, and I’m sure that if this matter does go to court—

Davis: You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon.

source

and suddenly you're "militant"
... i wonder what people would have said if someone said that it's dangerous for people to know that judaism exists...or islam...or christianity...

but nah, it's ok to yell at atheists about how dangerous their philosophy is
no double standards here.

reply to post by Snoopy64

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...you just put Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris in the same category as O'Hair?'

they're not a like
and you left out the 4th horseman, Dennet

...it's obvious that putting them in the same category as Lenin or Stalin, those two were primarily motivated by political ideology.

it would be the same as me comparing the Popes to Hitler, they were Catholics that I disagree with, but it's an idiotically extreme comparison.

seriously, what about Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris do you have a problem with?

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