Wow!! This thread moves rapidly from page to page. No problem here, I will try to keep up.
Madness and Walking Fox, concerning this group of thoughts.
1:the holy spirit is helping us understand the gift of human reason which god so freely gave us
2:the holy spirit is helping us understand the gift of life itself, which god so freely gave us
3:the holy spirit is helping us understand the natural world, which god so freely gave us
Concerning line one here. I will give you the believers understanding and translation.
1. The Holy Spirit is helping us to understand the gift of God which God so freely gave us.
Not human reasoning. THe main focus of this gift is Grace
Grace is sometimes called or refered to under several names..all meaning or alluding to the same....Jesus.
These names are
Blood or the Blood.
Peace .... Notice here that the term or expression Peace be with you and
your house... means Jesus be with you and your house.
There are more names for this gift but these will suffice for now. Believers understand this and often when reading passages from other Belivers who
also know the passages and are on meat and not milk..they see all of these in the usage of the word or expression God's gift. They dont miss a beat
here. They just know.
Even among Believers this can be sometimes difficult to understand ..hence the expression of being on meat not milk. This is to what BigWhammy refers
when he implys that he is still learning.
Those who are still on milk...have some difficulty until properly taught.
This is also why unbelievers have great difficulty. Most believers see this quickly in the posts of unbelievers.
2. ...The Holy Spirit is helping us to understand the gift of Life itself which God so freely gave us.
Notice here that the word Life is in the capital L. Also notice that the gift is often refered to as Life. Life is one of the names for Jesus.
Believers know this. See once again the list above..all names for Jesus ..among many names.
3. The Holy Spirit is helping us to understand the holyhess, will, and soverignty of God.
Also known as The Way. Not the natural world. For we are taught to seperate ourselves from the natural world and not to take on the appearence and
manner of this world. This world is also sometimes refered to by the Biblical term Natural men. I often use the term "Wildlife."
I dont usually bother to explain this term "Wildlife" but for you two I will do just that .
There was a time ,like many in here, when I walked the trail of natural men. I could be described appropriately as wildlife for I surely was.
But to be as fair as possible in my sinful nature...I have more respect for the motives of four legged wildlife out here than do I for most two legged
wildlife. But that is just me.
I still have a kindred spirit with Wildlife..but it does not have the allure as once it did. Believers know this too as well as why this is so.
This is why you have problems with Believers. Why they give you start and pause.
If you two are well grounded in your beliefs..your faith ...if you like..your religion...Believers should not bother you or get such a reaction out
In the manner in which you deal with Believers you tell on yourselves. You tip your hand to those who are on strong meat and not milk. You two are not
really well grounded. It looks that way to people for whom you can easily intimidate...but not those on strong meat.
Do not take this harshly but in the manner in which you often handle yourselves it shows insecurity..not strength. It is masked as aggression.
But that is ok with me..I can handle it. I have tried to explain to MIMS before about Salt. Many times.
I am not trying to goad you two here but tell you of what is seen and known on this end and by other Believers on these boards. I do hope that you two
can put this knowlege to good use.
By the way..I agree with one position you two make..and that is that it is not always a level field out here. But I do not criticize the mods for this
since they are the authority here. They run or regulate the boards. I have not issue with them here. If I dont like something I suck it up and think
through what I have learned for future use.
By the way..on the same thought ..it is not always a level field out here...off site of ATS/BTS/PTS.
In the same pattern as the above explainations...concerning your quote here
I was told that because I am not a member of the "right" religion I am unable to understand written words.
Let me translate this for you.
I was told that because I am not walking in the gift of the Holy Spirit, I am unable to understand the Word of God.
Do you see the difference here WalkingFox? I hope so! Believers can see this too, especially those on strong meat. Hope this helps you in the
I do hope this helps you two in understanding,
[edit on 10-4-2008 by orangetom1999]