British Teacher Faces 40 Lashes for Naming Class Teddy Bear 'Muhammad', page 10
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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 03:48 PM by Griff
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by mr-lizard


Quite off thread, but let's face it, we each hve our problems.
Completely irrelevant to this thread though.


I agree wholeheartedly and if you've seen some of my posts (especially the ones about tasering) you'd see that I have as much problem with our ways too.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 03:55 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by Griff


Yeah, I see that, but I didn't post my agreement with you on that simply because it was completely off thread.

Neither The UK or USA is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but, and it's a big but in my opinion, we are a damn sight better than the vast majority of countries and socieities.
We do not (any more) use religion as an excuse to committ acts of barbarism.

We are much more sophisticated nowadays and use things like democracy and morality to impose our beliefs.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:00 PM by LDragonFire
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Originally posted by LDragonFire

Well yet another example of how Islam is a religion of love and peace.


How about this is another example of how ignorance blames Islam, and uses to old "This is another example of how Islam is a religion of love and peace."

If you want to say this is due to Islam, then show us where it says this is a punishment in Islam. Show us what Islam has to do with this, and then you can use your old tired line of how "this is another example of how Islam is a religion of love and peace."


ok ok So I misquoted the leader of the free world but George Bush did say this about Islam:

"I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al Qaeda organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction."

Remarks by President George W. Bush and His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan
The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
September 28, 2001
thewhitehouse


And he said this:

"This new enemy seeks to destroy our freedom and impose its views. We value life; the terrorists ruthlessly destroy it. We value education; the terrorists do not believe women should be educated or should have health care, or should leave their homes. We value the right to speak our minds; for the terrorists, free expression can be grounds for execution. We respect people of all faiths and welcome the free practice of religion; our enemy wants to dictate how to think and how to worship even to their fellow Muslims."

President George W. Bush Addresses the Nation
World Congress Center, Atlanta, Georgia
November 8, 2001


Hmmmm describing some countries as well as terrorists
and there is more:
"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace."

President George W. Bush's Message for Ramadan
November 15, 2001


Show me just one example around the world where Islam has spread any peace? They have brought riots to France, they have brought suicide bombings to Spain and Britain, and New York and Washington D.C. They have marked authors, and cartoonists for death. The middle East has been one war or atrocity perpetrated by Arabs Vs. Jews since the new Jewish state was made{I'm not saying that one side is guilty, they both are guilty} and it was only a matter of time till there conflict spread worldwide.

If I recall right it was Christian organizations that were the first responders to the Tsunami that hit a Muslim country, so much for charity.

But please do excuse me for labeling a barbaric act as barbaric...!



reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:05 PM by LDragonFire
Originally posted by DJMessiah
reply to post by greeneyedleo


No, I asked for the OP to show me where this was a punishment in Islam, i.e. I was looking for them to show me something that says "If you name an inanimate object "Muhammad" you get 40 lashes."


UH WHAT!!!!!

It's there Law not mine!!!

I have nothing to do with there laws, religion or there benevolent charity!

This is the way they wish to enforce their laws, why ask this of me?


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:25 PM by scepticsRus
reply to post by LDragonFire


I can see the point that you are trying to make, but i would really let it drop. I'm pretty sure that most of this thread will be pretty close the T&C's
of this site.

And before anyone else says anything, im not putting my head in the sand, i just think that this is a pretty delicate subject and one that needs to be addressed in a calm civil manner without anyone getting angry/agressive. like i said in my previous post, we dont want this thread or this site to be flagged as racist and im afriad that this thread may venture down that road sooner or later







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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:27 PM by LDragonFire
Originally posted by scepticsRus
reply to post by LDragonFire


I can see the point that you are trying to make, but i would really let it drop. I'm pretty sure that most of this thread will be pretty close the T&C's
of this site.

And before anyone else says anything, im not putting my head in the sand, i just think that this is a pretty delicate subject and one that needs to be addressed in a calm civil manner without anyone getting angry/agressive. like i said in my previous post, we dont want this thread or this site to be flagged as racist and im afriad that this thread may venture down that road sooner or later.


Agreed, But it is so hard to believe that we are all human and we can be so far apart, based on some old books.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:32 PM by scepticsRus
reply to post by LDragonFire


I know what you mean but history is history, no matter how hard we try we can never get rid of it. Those books mean different things to diferent people; to some they mean a way of life, to others a way to make money, to others a long lost way of life that had meaning that they dream of getting back someday to others its a way to oppress others in the community an give a 'master/slave' relationship.

hope that makes sense !


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:33 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by scepticsRus


I have seen absolutely nothing in this thread that could be construed as racist.
Definition of Racism
en.wikipedia.org...

This thread is about Religion, not racism!!

Is this the position we find ourselves in? Scared to express our opinions because we are scared to be labeled?

I despair for this country!!

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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:39 PM by scepticsRus
reply to post by Freeborn


you may not see anything thats racist but others may find something. others may not even bother to read the entire thread but only pick on specific comments made as an example, its easy to misconstrued whats being said and change it to mean something different.

This kind of discussion is the type that people will pick up on just to make a point.

I agree, its getting like we cant express what we think in public anymore, everyones walking on egg shells around religious subjects because they are afraid of saying the wrong thing and thats not how it should be..... but at the minute, at this time ..... it does appear to be the case.

remember, to some people religion and racism are interchangeable and after a while loose there meaning.


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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:48 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by scepticsRus


Whilst I undestand the point you are trying to make that is more the reason to continue expressing one's opinion, regardless of viewpoint.
Free born? Never? Why do we hold on to the illusion?

Islam and Christianity cross over racial barriers. (Possibly one of the few positive's of either religion!)
No-one has expressed any opinion that expresses any views of racial superiority on this thread.

I will always express my opinion, no-one will suppress me.
I will also stand up for your right to express yourself, even if I disagree with your viewpoint.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 04:55 PM by scepticsRus
reply to post by Freeborn


while i understand what you are saying and agree to some extent i just dont think that this is the site to do it on.


reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 05:02 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by scepticsRus


What, ATS is not the place to enter into respectful discussions on current world affairs, the pro's and con's of organised religion or how organised religion through the ages has been used as a tool to control populations?

With all due respect, I suggest that the ATS which you subscribe to is quite different to the one I do.

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reply posted on 26-11-2007 @ 05:09 PM by scepticsRus
reply to post by Freeborn


Fair comment, this is a public discussion board and you should be able to express your thoughs as you wish, what im saying is discussions like this can quickly turn ugly and before you know it the entire thread collapses because of sensless name calling etc .......

This is a subject that can and will provoke a response from people who may not be able to be civil with other posters on certain topics.

I can just see the T&C's police running riot on this thread thats all.
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