Possible UFO crash off NJ coast

Originally posted by Ketzer22
reply to post by UnD3rg0uND

 

i see a weird blacked out area on google earth by normandy beach, not sure if its supposed to be like that, or if its because of this

No one's brought this fact up again since it was posted back on page 11.

I'm not familiar with the google earth service, does it offer real time satellite views?
Or close to it? Like within a set time frame? Custom locations, on demand?

I see they offer upgraded services, for a fee.

I mean, google maps offer satellite views, but they're all archived photos.

And they blur out the ocean views, I mean, who needs driving directions to Hawaii?

Could you be more specific, Ketzer22?

Or anyone familiar with google earth?

Is it normal for a section of ocean to be "missing" or "blacked out" if you request a view of that particular area?

I went and checked out the google map thing after you posted that, and it didn't look "blacked out" to me. I skimmed down the whole east coast and once you go out far enough they don't have images of the ocean.

An eyewitness account with pics!

Originally posted by isitmagic
Pictures Here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not great pics, but the description of the lights behavior doesn't sound like meteors.

Originally posted by KezigluBey
Each light moved in serpentine motions and then the 3 would return to the triangle shape and then there were 2 more red lights that joined in for a moment and disappeared.

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There is nothing unusual about that. If you pick a random place off the coast of anywhere with no islands around, there will be no high res images for that area.

Also, as you suspected, it is not a real-time satellite imaging service. If it were, it would cost you lots of money to use it.

Originally posted by Diplomat
I went and checked out the google map thing after you posted that, and it didn't look "blacked out" to me. I skimmed down the whole east coast and once you go out far enough they don't have images of the ocean.

google maps or google earth, the pay service??

Different services.

What is the reasoning here? You're trying way too hard. Why would the "government" black out google maps/earth in the area where something crashed into the water? Even if you zoomed all the way you still probably wouldn't be able to see a thing.

Makes no sense at all...

We need some real evidence for this case. I guess those 2 pictures are a start...

I know along the shore they have firework displays during the summer time. Has anyone checked to see if it could have been a fireworks display gone wrong?

Just trying to cover all bases here.

[edit on 6-9-2007 by Grimbone]

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I know it sounds silly, but I can't help but remember the Summer of 2001, when I lived in New Orleans. It was the end of August, and I was about to move back to New York City, my home town.

I was listing to Coast To Coast AM with Art Bell, and he reported about a UFO being spotted around The Empire State Building just a few weeks prior. That same episode, he had a CIA (or FBI) specialist who was reporting about the FBI's secret war against terrorism, and how we were really in danger of terrorism but that the public never knew this.

I also remember hearing about the shark attacks, and thinking about how weird it was that so many sharks were attacking people at public beaches.

I returned to New York City on September 1st, 2001. I was jobless, but I was happy to be back in the Big City. My plan was to volunteer for the Democratic Party campaigns, and primary day, September 11th, was just a week away. I quickly became a volunteer, helping to promote locals in voting for Alan Hevesi for Governor and Hillary Clinton for Senator. I thought the future was great.

Then September 11th happened and the world changed forever.

A week later, normal life tried to resume, and the primaries were held. I stood outside of the Queensbridge Projects, trying to get the poor people to go in to the center and vote. I stood with two other people, and we couldn't help but talk about the tradgedy that unfolded just a week earlier. The smoke clouds were still in the sky.

As I stood outside handing out pamphlets, one young man next to me, who was mildly mentally challenged, told me his story. He told me about how his cousin died on 9/11. His cousin didn't have a chance because he was on the floor that the first plane hit. (I believe in the North Tower.) But then the young man told me something disturbing. He told me that his cousin was warned by his mother not to go to work that day. When his cousin asked why, his mother said "I don't know, but if you go, you wont come back."

The young man's cousin who died had a little sister who was drawing weird pictures with crayons and paper before the tradgedy. She drew pictures of stick figures on fire, and buildings on fire. Why? No reason. She didn't know why.

Another woman who was standing with us joined the conversation. She told us about how she had a dream just weeks before about a large cloud chasing her through the streets of Manhattan. I thought to myself then, "That's silly, to dream about the harmless cloud and not the planes crashing themselves." Those clouds, six years later, are now probably going to kill more people than the initial attack.

I think animals know, and people know and the universe tries to let us know. But we don't listen.

A few months ago when I was still in New York, I became very pensive and restless, and I had this weird obsession with buying Chef Boyardee Ravioli. I didn't even eat it you know? I just stored it in my cabinets. In a little less than a month, I had 60 cans of Chef Boyardee in my cabinets. Then I started buying cans of corn, then cans of vienna sausages, then cans of peas and corned beef.

Then something happened that made me have to leave New York. I got the job of a lifetime...and now I live near the wilderness. In a really safe place? Was it deliberate? I don't know.

I gave all of my canned food to my brother, the only member of my nuclear family still left in New York City. I really really worry about my town, but I feel safe here in Washington State.

In this world that we live in today, you have nothing to lose by looking for signs. You have no other form of control. Anything can happen. It's time to let yourself rely on the universe just a little bit now.

What doesnt make sense is how there were reports of debris washing up on shore but no debris was found does that make any sense what so ever. if i saw debris i would of grabbed it. My theory would be that it was a meteor now a meteorite and that would make sense as to why nothing was found.

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[edit on 6-9-2007 by xHADEEZx]

[edit on 6-9-2007 by xHADEEZx]

Originally posted by xHADEEZx
What doesnt make sense is how there were reports of debri washing up on shore but no debri was found

does that make any sense what so ever. if i saw debri i would of grabbed it.

[edit on 6-9-2007 by xHADEEZx]

Yea, I don't believe the original "debri reports." There would be pictures or some civilian somewhere would have a piece of it. Plus they didn't even describe what the "debris" looked like did they? If some witnesses said something like, "there was all this weird shiny metal debris on the beach that looked like it came from a spaceship" then maybe we might be on to something.

Originally posted by Diplomat
What is the reasoning here? You're trying way too hard. Why would the "government" black out google maps/earth in the area where something crashed into the water? Even if you zoomed all the way you still probably wouldn't be able to see a thing.

Makes no sense at all...

We need some real evidence for this case. I guess those 2 pictures are a start...

The reasoning here is this:

If google earth offered current views at a high resolution, and now that I've done just a wee bit more research into their $400 service, it appears they don't, AND if the particular area in question were suddenly made unavailable, just as something VERY odd was occuring in that particular area, THEN, it would be another indication of a possible cover-up.

It doesn't take a great leap of faith to see that. (no pun intended)

That's why I asked if anyone was FAMILIAR with the google EARTH features, instead of just doing the bloody research myself...

So if anything, I'm guilty of not trying hard enough...

Blacking out in Google Earth on a particular area, might be because of high traffic. It still gets pulled off of a server somewhere.

I use Google Earth at least once a day for something, it does a great job. I very highly recommend you download it, its free. earth.google.com...

Originally posted by Grimbone
I know along the shore they have firework displays during the summer time. Has anyone checked to see if it could have been a fireworks display gone wrong?

This was ruled out earlier in this thread. If you have about 15 minutes, its a good read. We're on to something, again.

Originally posted by goosdawg
An eyewitness account with pics!

Originally posted by isitmagic
Pictures Here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This picture, in my opinion, is a picture of a plane from a camera that was scanning the sky way to fast.

This picture, is two stars or planets.

I haven't decided to waste my time opening these up in photoshop or not.

Originally posted by Quasar
Blacking out in Google Earth on a particular area, might be because of high traffic. It still gets pulled off of a server somewhere.

I use Google Earth at least once a day for something, it does a great job. I very highly recommend you download it, its free. earth.google.com...

Originally posted by Grimbone
I know along the shore they have firework displays during the summer time. Has anyone checked to see if it could have been a fireworks display gone wrong?

This was ruled out earlier in this thread. If you have about 15 minutes, its a good read. We're on to something, again.

Originally posted by goosdawg
An eyewitness account with pics!

Originally posted by isitmagic
Pictures Here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This picture, in my opinion, is a picture of a plane from a camera that was scanning the sky way to fast.

This picture, is two stars or planets.

I haven't decided to waste my time opening these up in photoshop or not.

Yea Quasar those lights were no plane. They are still on my camera. Photoshop is too consuming for my graphics accelerator and crashes my computer.

Would you mind emailing them to me? I'll see what photoshop brings out. jphustman at gmail dot com.

I was just watching a show about comets on the History Channel. They were talking about a meteor that fell to Earth. They described the way it looked as, yup you guessed it, a "fireball." It was large enough to look like a fireball, but when they went and found it, it actually wasn't very large at all and didn't cause much damage to the area where it impacted.

Was that the show about the fireball that fell over Alaska, and that guy went out on his snowmobile to find small rocks? If so, then in that show, scientists examined them, and may still be examining them, in a controlled environment. They sent up a multi-million, if not billion dollar probe to inspect a comet, and trajectorized it to impact it with great force. A very important experiment to help unlock the secrets of the universe.

So maybe, spending a few thousand dollars to find a meteor that fell to the ocean floor, is too expensive.

Well until more evidence surfaces, my theory is still that people saw a meteor streak down towards the horizon where the water was and it somehow gave off the impression that it was crashing into the water.

Edit: Oh and about the show, yea I think it was the one in Alaska. I had it on in the background. When I turned towards the TV to pay attention they were showing the meteor down under some ice.

[edit on 6-9-2007 by Diplomat]

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.

Originally posted by XFoxMulderX
This meteor expert is trying to set up interviews with the witnesses.
www.meteorobs.org...

Look at the date of that message - it says 2001

Originally posted by zeroeffect
For one and i state this as a fact the Aurigid can not be viewed by human eyes from ground level, astronomers take a lear jet 45k feet up in the air just to view the meteors and i quote the astronomers cover their heads with blankets so they can see the meteor shower go to seti.org and listen to the podcast and you can hear the interview from the astronomer stating these facts

Rubbish! The Aurigid meteor shower can be, and was observed from the ground. If you had taken the time to check, you'd see that even a few ATSers had observed the Aurigids, and they were not in a jet! Being in a jet at altitude will only make some of the dimmer meteors easier to see (better atmospheric transparency the higher up you are). Most of the meteors were still visible from the ground. The blankets were to stop light from on-board equipment interfering with observations, which is standard procedure on these types of missions. Please get your facts straight before proclaiming them to be facts!

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As far as I can see this is just another case of people who have seen a meteor and thought it must be a plane or something else crashing - it happens all the time, since most people do not understand the tricks such objects play on the eyes. See this FAQ: www.meteorobs.org...

It does not sound like this was a Perseid meteor (too late for them) and the direction (heading North/East) is wrong for the Aurigids. This does not exclude the possibility of another source - it was probably a random (or "sporadic" as they are known) meteor. Thousands of them bombard our atmosphere every day/night, and some are bright enough to get noticed. Even a meteor the size of a baseball is capable of causing a bright fireball.

Also, it is not uncommon for for the emergency services/coast guard to initiate a search after such an event where people have called in to say they saw something crash - they have to assume that something did crash until proved otherwise.

A meteor would also explain why there are no photographs, as someone pointed out earlier in the thread. Meteors are too fast to catch with a camera unless you have the camera aimed and ready to go.

As for medical waste washing up on the beach, that's probably just a coincidence... they do happen from time to time... not everything is a conspiracy!

To those that think that plastic tampon applicators would sit underwater only to be disturbed and then float ashore... how could that happen when plastic floats? What was keeping it down there? Not too likely IMHO!

Seeing as there is no hard evidence to support anything actually crashing down, is there any point in pursuing this further ???

[edit on 5-9-2007 by C.H.U.D.]

I stand corrected i confused the Aurigid with the Persied meteor shower ty for the correction.

Originally posted by goosdawg
An eyewitness account with pics!

Originally posted by isitmagic
Pictures Here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not great pics, but the description of the lights behavior doesn't sound like meteors.

Originally posted by KezigluBey
Each light moved in serpentine motions and then the 3 would return to the triangle shape and then there were 2 more red lights that joined in for a moment and disappeared.

People PLEASE read what I wrote. I specifically said BEFORE the Sept. 1 incident.

If it was a meteor then why didnt local news and national news cover it they would be swarming on it and getting interviews with astronomers and they havent even done that all you see is a media blackout which to me is very suspect and if i am not mistaken when the local astronomers of this area were asked about this witnessed phenomenon didnt they say and i quote"its news to us" now if there were a meteor shower that night wouldnt they be watching seeing as it is thier JOB afterall,curious