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Originally posted by Annee
Where do the Masons claim their's came from?
Originally posted by brotherforchrist
That is a view espoused from people who speak from an intellectual luciferian worldview. Yes I know the claims that it was allegorical to a fallen Babylonian king.It is just all dependent upon your theological beliefs.
If you say that this passage is not about a fallen angel, then basically you deny the existence of Satan as an entity as well
Without Lucifer's fall you have no Satan. without Satan you have no Garden of Eden, without the Garden, you have no original sin or fall of man,without a fall of man,
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Annee
Where do the Masons claim their's came from?
It began as a very basic and rudimentary form in England in the middle ages, and evolved over time. The major components of modern Masonic ritual (which Joseph Smith was familiar with) originated in 17th century England.
The Masonic ritual is the result of a collaboration between various philosophers, poets, and liberals over time.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:4-5)
Originally posted by Annee
As I said in earlier posts - I believe Joseph Smith was a Contactee who was given instructions to follow - which he did - then was trusted to bring higher level teachings to humans.
There are writings about other planets and god being a title - - that Earth has its own overseer god - - that we should only be concerned with our own god. Extremely metaphysical thinking for that time.
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Originally posted by Annee
I also believe that Jesus Christ was either a hi-bred alien/human - or a very enlighted Contactee also. That he was given instructions to follow - which he did.
Interestingly I believe that Billy Meier's story is true - - that he was a Contactee and given instructions to follow. BUT - he did not follow those instructions and was cut off from contact.
Originally posted by Annee
I do not consider myself Christian by TODAY's interpretation. IMO - TODAY's Christianity is a Man Made religion.
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So - I absolutely believe Joseph Smith was contacted by higher evolved beings and shown the metaphysical way of faith.
But - mix MAN with all his pettiness - and power corrupts absolutely - - - and you have the direction Mormon leadership is moving toward today. I believe the Mormon church is probably the wealthiest of them all.
Originally posted by Annee
Have you read about the Mormon Women's rights prior to Utah becoming a state? Did you know Mormon women gave up rights to be compatible with the thinking of the majority of the US at the time?
I honestly can not support a patriarch belief anyway - or one that treats homosexuals the way the Mormon church does.
Originally posted by Athenion
Additionally, it is still taught and a benchmark doctrine that man has the potential to become like God.
That God has many creations, innumerable children who he loves, etc.
Joseph Smith on several occasions denounced the idea of alien visitations as evil and pernicious doctrines.
I'm just saying there's zero evidence that the early church once taught doctrine like that, and that those kinds of teachings have since been removed
Originally posted by Annee
I don't think it really matters who brought it to Joseph. The wisdom stands strong by itself.
It kind of bugs me when people refer to Mormon's as a cult. I find that really sad.
Here you have a beautiful faith and organization that you live 24 hrs a day.
Originally posted by Annee
Softening my stance on certain issues - - as courtesy and respect when speaking with someone of real faith - - is not changing them.
Originally posted by Cloak and Dagger
Originally posted by Athenion
I'm just saying there's zero evidence that the early church once taught doctrine like that, and that those kinds of teachings have since been removed
Umm...
So they removed all the zero evidence eh?
Too funny. Sounds like a covert operation to me. That doesn't surpise me though. The Roman Catholics suppressed/removed lots of texts/scriptures during it's early formation. Wait I mean... zero evidence here folks. Move along...
Originally posted by Annee
I have not changed my position in any way.
I may have used different wording - but I have not changed my position.
I may respond to different people differently - but I have not changed my position.
I may choose to see something from a different viewpoint within the text of the conversation - but I have not changed my position.
I have no problem believing that Joseph Smith was a contactee - - was provided this information - - and instructions to follow.
They gave him the Temple Endowments.
If you all want to insist it was stolen from the Masons - - Fine.
Go to LDS.org - - - and get the official version.
I personally believe Joseph Smith was a Contactee and was given knowledge by higher level beings. This coincides with the actual Mormon belief that Joseph Smith received the laws directly from God by revelation.
but then again I believe he was a Contactee and could have received the Endowment ritual directly from "those who came from the sky".
As I said in earlier posts - I believe Joseph Smith was a Contactee who was given instructions to follow - which he did - then was trusted to bring higher level teachings to humans.
So - I absolutely believe Joseph Smith was contacted by higher evolved beings and shown the metaphysical way of faith.
You can believe in Angels - - I believe Joseph Smith was a Contactee
In other words - - I definitely 100% believe Joseph Smith was contacted - - and guided - - to bring about a "higher law" and/or better understanding.