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reply posted on 9-10-2006 @ 01:56 AM by PisTonZOR

Do you know anything about chemtrails? OK. Chemtrails were developed by Edward Teller and are basically the seeding of thousands of tons of microparticles of aluminum on the upper atmosphere to try to increase the albedo of the planet, the reflectivity of the planet, because of global warming........

Isn't Aluminium highly corrosive? That would seriously mess up jet engines.

Iblis you contribute nothing to ATS, i gave you a chance by thinking you were just a skeptic but now i see that all you do is insult others and comment on their spelling errors.

You are a troll it's as simple as that.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Give me a break, his posts are highly logical in my opinion.

Exactly, and how is it that these chemtrails end up in patterns? Because they are intentional! Chemtrails are real!

Do a search for navaids. Also why start saying 'chemtrails are real' it's like your trying to convince yourself.

Good point, every time i see chemtrails being made there are some commercial planes that flys near by and their contrails disipate like 20 seconds afterwards.

Diferant altitude?



Everything I have said is backed up with scientific fact. Try it some time.

Amen to that.



Those of you who are trolling on this thread, and it's obvious you are or you wouldn't be so rude and arrogant to the rest of us who are exploring this phenomena, can just go start your own thread about the ignorant conspiracy theorist instead of ruining this thread.

Ok, that's exactly what I'll do. Just let me quote everyone.

from the fact that alot of us are seeing and experiencing something that just isn't right.

That's no reason to say the air is poisoned and it's the governments fault now is it?

Next: Anyone who disagrees with you isn't trolling. The fact is, you're not exploring anything. You're blowing hot-air, and we're here to suppress it.



So, you're saying Turbine fuel and my car-gasoline are one and the same? ..
Interesting..

The fuel is almost the same. And no MOST of the time piston engines don't have the power to reach contrail altitude.

You my friend, are not an F-16 pilot, you are a fake!

Meh, it dosn't matter. All his posts are valid.

When I first noticed them back in 1999, that same year there was this spider web like material covering the entire car lot of over 400 cars.

Dosn't mean it had anything todo with unually long contrails '

Look there bubba we all know what creates a contrail.

No, someone thought otherwise.



Another point is when they are spotted at the horizon. If something is at 28,000 feet of altitude, and can be seen on the horizon, if you do the math it is over 200 miles away. It is basic triginometry, something you learned in navigation class. You cant see 200 miles through the atmosphere with the naked eye. Therefore the object needs to be at a much, much lower altitude. I have seen chemtrails that are below clouds that were at 12,000 feet. How do you form a contrail below 12,000 feet?

You form a contrail with cold air not with altitude. It is unusual to form a contrail at 12000 feet though.




Edit to add: Affirmitive Reaction, you stated that you are a tanker pilot of over twenty years of service? What in the heck is an educated 40 something year old man stating location "NUNYA (could be chillin' at the kwaj lodge!)" NUNYA and chillin' for some reason doesnt sound like something a 40 year old would say. I think you may be in the service because you know about the Kwajelien atol in Hawaii but I doubt you are a middle aged man.

rofl. You don't seem like a lone gunman either. Also I can tell you now, Affirmitive Reaction KNOWS what he's talking about.




OMG!! Wrong! Contrails do not form at any altitude there guy. We are not talking about seperating the air from the water at exterme speed at a high angle of attack! We are talking about condensation trails created by jet-turbine and turbofan engines, are we not?

You stuck your size 12 right in your mouth!

Actually they can, very rare though. Also, how can you even see something on the horizon at 12000 feet? Chemtrail or not, that is hard.

Finally a Chemtrail beleiver with a good point

Look buddy why dont you go polish the "body" of you aircraft, I think a storm scraped it...

Look buddy why don't you go drive very slow to a fire? Only joking thanks for saving lives. But that dosn't really have anything todo with chemtrails.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Originally posted by LoneGunMan

OMG!! Wrong! Contrails do not form at any altitude there guy. We are not talking about seperating the air from the water at exterme speed at a high angle of attack! We are talking about condensation trails created by jet-turbine and turbofan engines, are we not?

You stuck your size 12 right in your mouth!


Wrongo, "bubba". Contrails aren't only created by aircraft engines, they are also created by flight control surfaces. You should learn your science before you enter a conversation and put YOUR foot in your mouth. I have looked out the sextant port at only 23,000 feet and seen a contrail forming at the trailing edge of my wingtip where my fuel dump mast is located. Also, on takeoff, my C-130 (told you I didn’t fly tankers, didn’t I?) props will, especially on a humid day (remember moisture?) create spiral contrails under high power settings that corkscrew back several feet. Disruption of airflow causes a pressure differential, thus causing the aforementioned CONDENSATION, more noticeable at colder temps.

You are incorrect that contrails cannot be formed at lower altitudes, but then, being a firefighter, you haven’t done as much flying as I have, now have you?

Again, do your homework before you come at me. You embarrass yourself...

Oh, and BTW...I wear size 10.5


I have seen that, it's AMAZING! And to prove that it's real for other people:
www.airliners.net...
www.airliners.net...

[edit on 9-10-2006 by PisTonZOR]


reply posted on 9-10-2006 @ 02:10 AM by PisTonZOR
so you know tens of thousands of workers at airports no you dont so stop lying

I have met and asked more than 25 of them. If a few of them workers did leak out information, the whole world would know, or atleast the 25 people I've met.

so you know the people at Boeing
I have taken a tour of Paine and met quiet a few, I asked each and every one about it. If a few of them workers did leak out information, the whole world would know, or atleast the feww people I've met.

and what about the other people who do know about weather and aircrafts who believe in chemtrails

Ummm, well, there aren't many are there? The other people talk about other stuff.

"I have already proved that jets often fly in grid patterns because of VORs."
wheres the evidence

Do I really need to find information about jet liners? Search about VORs for a start.



"There is no proof of chemtrails except for one ramper email which is be fake, and that is exacerbated by the fact that I've seen fake, photoshopped pictures of chemtrails."
what email are you talking about?
i gave you the evidence but you have not said anything about because you did not read it

The ramper email was from someone who worked at an airport. He discovered extra pipes in a plane, and was obviously fake.

"It's more like, there is no evidence supporting Chemtrails except for fake crap spouted out by a bunch of weird individuals."
Mods this guy needs to be warned

I wasn't talking about you, nor most people of this site.


what did you bring to this thread i think you should read the authors first post again

this is my last post to you since i dont want to banned from this wonderful site

Bye.


reply posted on 9-10-2006 @ 11:24 AM by LoneGunMan
Originally posted by HowardRoark

It's not an issue of how much moisture the cloud or the contrail has, but rather it is an issue with how much moisture the surrounding atmosphere has.

Once again, you have to grasp the concept of Supersaturation With Respect to Ice



Quite to the contrary, you again underestimate my knowledge of weather my dear friend Howard. It would take a peron that had not finished or paid attention in school to not understand the basic concepts of weather. It is your total lack of empathy for others to not understand that just because someone doesnt want to spend so much time typing with two fingers in explaining everything to some dunderheads, that cannot get past their own ego, that one does not understand.

If clouds did not build upon there own moisture from the surrounding moisture, our planet would be a lifeless void. Heck you can take something like MS flight simulator 2004, set the weather up just right and go to 10x for time acceleration, and watch it happen right in fron of you.

I have to go now, sheesh you guys are like the government/main stream media spin machine always distracting the issue. I wish I had more time to spend here, but there is a major emergency and my pager is going to call me into work.


reply posted on 9-10-2006 @ 11:33 AM by selfless
Afermative Reaction,


dictionary.reference.com...




nothing more to say really except i never wanted for one second to agrue with anyone when i started this thread, you brought that along with you.
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