I'm happy to see that that quack John Lear is gone from ATS. Can anybody tell me what happened to him?

Originally posted by Credulity Kills
I'm happy to see that that quack John Lear is gone from ATS. Can anybody tell me what happened to him?

Well I could but what possible motivstion would I have to tell YOU?

John Lear provided junk "evidence" in all his time on ATS. That is why I'm glad to see him gone. Either you bring experience, science, and quality evidence to back up your assertions or you do not. He did not. It is my hope that somebody at ATS decided to deny ignorance and bounced him as a result.

Originally posted by zorgon

Well I could but what possible motivstion would I have to tell YOU?

It's secret space station guy who think the Space Shuttle can cloak and has the ability to change its inclination in orbit (orbital mechanics - NAH!)! Good to see you again!

What is your motivation? Considering that you've been peddling nonsense for years it appears you M.O. has little to do with evidence, science, or honesty. I have no clue what your motivation is except for a false sense of importance for what you do.

Originally posted by RFBurns
For someone who is happy to see him gone from ATS, why would you be interested in what happend to him?

Frankly, IMO, it would be nice and a huge contribution if JL were to return to ATS.

John Lear has given us conjecture at best and absolute bollocks at worst. Perhaps the man is too mentally ill to know that that he's spewing nonsense. That thought is almost comforting - it would at least mean that he didn't intentionally mislead to so many.

Originally posted by ArMaP
And although I never liked him, I don't think that calling him "quack" when you think he can not answer you is not the best way to treat this off-topic subject.

You probably think XYZ politician is a is a jerk and have never felt the need to restrain from criticism or insults due to his inability to respond to you.

If it walks like a duck, it's probably a quack.

Originally posted by Credulity Kills
You probably think XYZ politician is a is a jerk and have never felt the need to restrain from criticism or insults due to his inability to respond to you.

I do not talk about other people without being asked about it first, when asked about something I reply, and I always state my opinion.

But this is not a thread about John Lear, if you want to discuss him then I suppose the best way is choosing one of the several threads about him, some pro, some against, as expected.

Originally posted by Credulity Kills
John Lear provided junk "evidence" in all his time on ATS. That is why I'm glad to see him gone. Either you bring experience, science, and quality evidence to back up your assertions or you do not. He did not. It is my hope that somebody at ATS decided to deny ignorance and bounced him as a result.

Sounds to me like this is more than just someone with an opinion.

Originally posted by Credulity Kills

Originally posted by zorgon

Well I could but what possible motivstion would I have to tell YOU?

It's secret space station guy who think the Space Shuttle can cloak and has the ability to change its inclination in orbit (orbital mechanics - NAH!)! Good to see you again!

What is your motivation? Considering that you've been peddling nonsense for years it appears you M.O. has little to do with evidence, science, or honesty. I have no clue what your motivation is except for a false sense of importance for what you do.

Again, sounds like more of a personal vendetta against alternative thinking on your part. Are you forming your own sort of reaffirming sense of importance with all this?

Originally posted by Credulity Kills

Originally posted by RFBurns
For someone who is happy to see him gone from ATS, why would you be interested in what happend to him?

Frankly, IMO, it would be nice and a huge contribution if JL were to return to ATS.

John Lear has given us conjecture at best and absolute bollocks at worst. Perhaps the man is too mentally ill to know that that he's spewing nonsense. That thought is almost comforting - it would at least mean that he didn't intentionally mislead to so many.

Well perhaps you should have voiced this when he was around and not wait till he left?

Originally posted by Credulity Kills

Originally posted by ArMaP
And although I never liked him, I don't think that calling him "quack" when you think he can not answer you is not the best way to treat this off-topic subject.

You probably think XYZ politician is a is a jerk and have never felt the need to restrain from criticism or insults due to his inability to respond to you.

If it walks like a duck, it's probably a quack.

Have to agree with ArMaP on this. Your purposely posting in a thread that has been idle for some time just to throw mud at JL knowing he is not here to directly reply to your assertions. I think that alone tells us alot about who you are and what your intent is and how easy it is for you to do your dirty deed without facing direct response from the one your banting about.

Kinda chicken s.... if you ask me. But hey to each thier own.



HO HO HO!!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
Again, sounds like more of a personal vendetta against alternative thinking on your part.

Hardly. I am a man of science and as such a huge proponent of "alternative thinking." Alternative thinking has brought us every scientific advance ever. However, that thinking has to be bounded by reality and evidence - not all theories are created equal. Credulity kills.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Have to agree with ArMaP on this. Your purposely posting in a thread that has been idle for some time just to throw mud at JL knowing he is not here to directly reply to your assertions. I think that alone tells us alot about who you are and what your intent is and how easy it is for you to do your dirty deed without facing direct response from the one your banting about.

Kinda chicken s.... if you ask me. But hey to each thier own.

HO HO HO!!!!

I didn't realize that it had been idle for some time but then again, I've been idle for a while myself. Back in the day I happily slung mud directly at John Lear when he was here to refute it. I've said nothing more today than I did back then.

Once upon a time I even gave John Lear everything he'd need in order to track and photograph the secret space stations that he claims the shuttle was visiting. I was extremely helpful, and even itemized the list of things he'd need and found the best prices online (total cost was barely over US$1000). Of course he never followed through because there's no validity to his claim. His excuse was that he didn't have the money (didn't have $1000? That's all it would take to make him one of the most celebrated people in modern history - if his claims were true.)

Dirty deed? Please. What's chicken shizit is accepting the title of "expert" and spewing quackery, pseudoscience, and general B.S. for years. It's flat wrong, and it makes John Lear and his apologists bad people.


[edit on 24-12-2008 by Credulity Kills]

Originally posted by RFBurns
Well Im not going to get into a debate with you over what your doing in this thread or what your opinion is regarding JL and his information....

He left a legacy which still needs to be debunked and shown for what it is (and he shown for who he is/was). So long as his name is tossed about with any reverence, reality will be here to swat it down.

Originally posted by Matyas
Come to think of it, BS was one to flaunt his title also. I had better shut up or he'll pop in here again...

Ah yes flaunt he did... but never a 'paper' to back it up

So ummm

WHERE IS MY DRIVE

Ain't gettin any younger ya know?

Originally posted by zorgon
So ummm

WHERE IS MY DRIVE

Ain't gettin any younger ya know?

Still sittin' in our group library. Where's that 40M? Ain't gettin' any richer ya know!