Iran dug their own hole, NUKE THEM

Wow. Just, wow.

I laugh at a lot of people on this site, but man, right now you take the cake, the plate, and the fork! Wow. And, when I made that thread about how Iran isn't a threat, I had people say "who's saying nuke Iran?" Well, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Let me ask this. You claim to be an equal opportunity religion hater, right? You advocate religious genocide, right? So...

Do you support the slaughter of Jews during WWII, due in part to the Russians, Germans, and the Labor Zionists? Are you upset that all the Jews weren't exterminated decades ago? Would be one less religion to worry about, right?

ahhh, just wipe them out and let god sort them out. my 2 cents

Yes, of course, it's an excellent idea -- lets nuke Iran. That would certainly put an end to the threat of Islamic extremists. The Muslims would surely "learn their lesson" not to mess with the United States of America.

Hmmmmmm.....maybe, just maybe, there might be a few Muslim extremists left in Syria. You just know that they might be up to no good. Well, we've got a solution for those pesky Syrians, don't we? I guess we have to nuke them too! That will solve the problem.

Wait! There are probably a few Muslims who are "pissed off" at the U.S. in Pakistan. And they DO have the bomb. You know, it's only a matter of time before they attack the U.S. After all, Al Qaeda and Taliban cells probably exist there. We have no choice, really. We will have to blow them up with nukes as well. After all, they really are "pushing our hand" on the matter.

Oh oh, how did we forget Afghanistan? No matter how we try to bring these people into the twentieth-first century, they still seem to resist. They keep attacking the U.S. troops there. Haven't they seen the news? We nuked Iran and other extremist countries. Damn.....I guess a show of force would help.....nuke 'em.

And what about Dubai and the United Arab Emirates? They really aren't our "friends" and, for that matter, who can truly trust the Saudis?...Nuke 'em.

Hey! There are Muslims in the Philippines and you know they are always causing trouble. Besides, who'd really miss the Philippines? Nuke 'em.

Well, there, the Muslims are all gone. Oh oh, damn, how did we miss the Muslims who live in the U.S.? There are a bunch of them concentrated in Dearborn, Michigan for one. Oh what to do? Oh well, Detroit was due for some "urban renewal"....nuke 'em.

And why stop now? There are plenty of potential "trouble makers" or places that just don't want to accept the democracy and peace that the U.S. offers....nuke 'em.

And what about all the trouble on the African continent? They are just up to no good....always killing each other in genocidal warfare. Well, perhaps we can speed things along and end the problem of the African continent permanently (after all A.I.D.S. seems to be too slow).....nuke 'em.

And what about those French and those Germans. Can you believe it, they didn't agree with the U.S. when we attacked Iraq. You can just bet that they will start criticizing the U.S. for nuking a big slice of the Earth.....and, of course, those Germans will, sooner or later, get around to attacking someone and starting another World War.....We can't have that now, can we? Nuke 'em.

Oh my God....I forgot all about North Korea . They are evil. And they have the bomb too. Nuke 'em. And, as long as we are in the area, we had better deal with the Chinese. Isn't it better to deal with this menace now than later? Nuke 'em.

Hey, those people in Iceland speak a language other than English, Who knows what they are saying? Why can't they just speak "normal"? You know, like us ? Are they plotting against us? We can't take any chances now, can we? Nuke 'em.

Peace at last.

wow just wow.


is this thing on?

Wow, well this thread came quite a way but then again im not suprised due to its shocking content.

I want everyone here to know that I love your opinions despite your hatred for me. Im not one to shut down completely when I think im right. I listened and learned from all of you and although my initial problem with religion remains, I think nuking the whole country would be a pretty bad solution.

All in all I still feel that a show of force is necessary especially in solving the issues with Tehran because I dont trust the Iranian leaders at all. Is nuclear too much of a show? Probably, but the point of my topic was ultimately to show you my views on religion. I wish people could find more faith in fact and science than unknown factors such as god. I wish people would find faith in life , instead of looking for answers in death.

I have faith.. but its faith in the unknown.. the second someone starts spouting their radical views (I believe that all religion is radical) to me I get get a very sick feeling in my stomach because it hurts me to see fellow men behaving so neurotically. I dream of a future where people crave information like a drug instead of wasting time pretending to know about something called god ("My god is better than yours! No my god is!" Mentality)

This is my quest and that is all. Perhaps Nuking is a bit strong but now you understaind my principle concerns.

Oh and a few other notes

I live in Germany because thats where I make good money doing international trade

I am not a nazi

I would prefer a socialist government

I am Agnostic

I think globalisation is a very important goal and with religion it will be very difficult to achieve

Any other comments feel free to ask.. I love the feedback!

When it comes to how religion ruins people, families, and countries, John Lennon says it best:

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Nephyx, we're in the same boat when it comes to religion. I was brought up (read: forced to church every week) in a Christian family every Sunday for over a decade of my life. Needless to say, I have gotten a bit smarter than that and rebelled against it, or as the religious like to say "lost faith". While I believe in spirituality to some extent, I also believe that religion is out of the picture if we really want to make the world better.

If we got rid of it, it would just be one less major problem in the world. And obviously we need to get rid of as many problems as possible.

I have come across a lot of people who have so much "faith" to the point of being mentally ill. It's sad to see people get so ridiculous.

[edit on 22-4-2006 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by nephyx


Yeah youre good with your words but the second you can defend religion as a reasonable source for planetary growth then you got me on your side.

Religious beliefs can give hope and guidance.

Religion has it's good and bad points, but the majority of Christians, Muslims, Jews and other faiths are people with beliefs that I could sit down and talk to and they can talk sense, as they are individual human beings.

The majority of these people with these religious beliefs do not on the whole, say that because people have different religious beliefs, they should be nuked. I call that a reasonable sense of planetary growth, of co-existence. What you scream on about does not.

Originally posted by nephyx
Whether or not Iran has done nothing yet isnt the question, its the fact that they WANT to do something which makes them less innocent then all of you presume.

Oh thoughtcrime! They've not done anything, but they might think about doing it, so they should be punished because they've thought about it.

Yes, let's call Iranians guilty. Much easier that way, nice and easy and Black And White.

Never mind it's just their leader and cleric mouthing off and they have not done anything like nuking other nations.

Nuke 'em all, to show that nuking is wrong.

Makes sense.

To you.

Originally posted by nephyx
I think that the whole point is to punk them in the back of the head before it becomes a possible threat and if they continue their mascarade then we punk them even harder into submission as my friend above mentioned its called 'survival of the fittest'

It's not survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory was based on animals evolving to a balance of nature, not one to dominate the other.

Animals that died out did so because of enviromental and biological factors, not because their train of thought was different to another's.

Your theory is of ignorance, and bullying, and a sense of superiority that is not 'Survival of the fittest' but 'survival of those with the big army and nuclear weapons and those who don't pray to Allah'.

Originally posted by nephyx
and when your life is being threatened by religious fundemantal morons who have no idea what evolution is youll be wishing you followed my advice

That can describe the Bush Administration and Ahmadinejad. But one has more nukes than the other and has invaded countries since 2001.

I feel more threatened by Bush.

Does that mean I want Christians wiped out?

Nope.

Your 'advice' is not advice, it's stupidity, and absurd.

Regensturm why dont you provide a solution to the problem of religion instead of criticising me . If you really defend religion then explain why you think a world without religion would be a problem for you.

Yarcofin I like that quote alot and its good to see someone on the same progressive mindset as me. keep it real!

Those of you who choose to annihalate religion, could you at least looks at the positive affects it has had on civilizations?

I started a thread in Below Top Secret for this purpose. The positive concepts of religion have helped to shape many of the Wests justice systems as well as establish a moral code for humanity to lvie by. Humans were nothing more than animals at one point (still are IMO).

Besides I am sure you have many friends who have religious beliefs. I am sure you would miss them dearly if somebody just came out of nowhere one day and shot them in front of you, citing the fact that they are cleansing the Earth of religious followers. You probably have family who suffer at that thinking.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try

I am agnostic because i think it is the only resonable position. Scientists can prove you die but they cannot prove you are gone. On the other hand religion can't prove there is anything either. I have no idea if there is god or not but i do know that humans will always form a religion. Not becuase they are weak but simply because they may view the universe as being incomplete without something after death as it would mean all human endeavour is ultimately pointless. Who wants to think that everything the human race accomplishes will ultimately be cleaned away. Maybe this is where the idea of life after death comes from.

On the other hand i could be talking out my backside.


Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do

It's not hard to imagine it but it's impossible to put such a thing into practice. The closest we could get to this is a body of people governing the whole world from a central organisation. Does anyone want that? Not me.

Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Some people kill for no apparent reason at all. You are always going to need some form of government and this means having systems, these systems mean having rich and poor people. If you have a vast difference between the rich and poor then you have a reason for civil war in the end. Sadly i don't believe we will ever get rid of war, i wish we could but i don't think we can. Wars come and go, killing many people.


I love this song but John Lenon didn't think it through.

Religion can be helpful. As i already said there are some reformed criminals and ex drug addicts who only turned their lives around after they 'found god'. They may have tried everything else, been given plenty of help and yet nothing worked until they became religious. If religion can do that then i have nothing against it, i have problems with the people who follow it militantly.

In the end though some scientists are what i would call militant. I mean they are so anti religion and completely into science they are kind of scary. These people may even lose there idea of morals because they think the ends justify the means.

No system is perfect, you will always have nutters and extremists in every single one. We cannot blaim the whole of Iran for housing a few nutters, if that's the case then America should deffinately nuke us Brits!

blah. religion!

such an easy scapegoat.

Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
Yes, of course, it's an excellent idea -- lets nuke Iran. That would certainly put an end to the threat of Islamic extremists. The Muslims would surely "learn their lesson" not to mess with the United States of America. etc..etc..

Excellent post benevolent tyrant. Gets my vote for WATS.

Originally posted by nephyx
Wow, well this thread came quite a way but then again im not suprised due to its shocking content.

I want everyone here to know that I love your opinions despite your hatred for me. Im not one to shut down completely when I think im right. I listened and learned from all of you and although my initial problem with religion remains, I think nuking the whole country would be a pretty bad solution.

All in all I still feel that a show of force is necessary especially in solving the issues with Tehran because I dont trust the Iranian leaders at all. Is nuclear too much of a show? Probably, but the point of my topic was ultimately to show you my views on religion. I wish people could find more faith in fact and science than unknown factors such as god. I wish people would find faith in life , instead of looking for answers in death.

I have faith.. but its faith in the unknown.. the second someone starts spouting their radical views (I believe that all religion is radical) to me I get get a very sick feeling in my stomach because it hurts me to see fellow men behaving so neurotically. I dream of a future where people crave information like a drug instead of wasting time pretending to know about something called god ("My god is better than yours! No my god is!" Mentality)

This is my quest and that is all. Perhaps Nuking is a bit strong but now you understaind my principle concerns.

Oh and a few other notes

I live in Germany because thats where I make good money doing international trade

I am not a nazi

I would prefer a socialist government

I am Agnostic

I think globalisation is a very important goal and with religion it will be very difficult to achieve

Any other comments feel free to ask.. I love the feedback!

i like your avatar.

Even looking at the opening post of this thread, I smell bigotry and ignorance.

To the Opening Poster: Please remember that no single person in this world deserves to die because of a religious misunderstanding, or because of the bigotry of others. The warmongering of the 'NUKE EM' proclamation in the topic, needs to be squashed and kicked out of ATS.
If I were mod this thread would have been locked upon creation.

Declaring that you wish to see another country nuked, is ignorance, and goes against everything ATS stands for, even if it is on the PTS boards.

EDIT: P.S. Please proceed to re-direct all flames for me, to www.racist.warmongers.can.go.to.hell.com

[edit on 22/4/2006 by nrky]

Well I would have tried working with you on developing some sortof a compromise but if your gonna be like that you can take my thread and shove it.

If you read my last post in this thread you wouuld have noticed that i adjusted my views on the topic so you can calm down. Secondly just because I condemn religion doesnt make me ignorant. Having a problem with that fact that wars are being started over opposing religious beliefs isnt ignorant, its pretty damn rational if you ask me.

This website is about denying ignorance and I consider religion to be the eopitomy of ignorance. Just because you think your agenda has more worth doesnt mean you should discount mine.

If you know anything about religion you would know that many people have died defending it. If you cant defend your beliefs with proof then whats the point in killing people because of it? How am i being ignorant Nrky? You believe in reptilian agendas and I dont take shots at you for coming across as a complete nut.

My views are nothing but a progressive understanding of what I think is best for this world. Back Off.

P.S Sweet podcast dude!

hey all...

I started as one of the few 'aww maan' posters on this thread a few days ago.. and as I was very hung over, I thought that all was wrong in the world and there was no hope, as this thread just seemed to show the world as full of bigotry and nonsense...

Then a few of the posts stirred some hope in the human condition (you know which posters you are) so I didnt go back to bed with a vodka bottle as threatened... but with the thought that someone was going to give their old nan a peck on the cheek from me and that the world was not filled with nutters...

having come back and read the following 5odd pages of posts... I'm going back to bed with a vodka bottle... this time I'll take someone with me tho



*sigh*

oh.. and apologies to mods for the expletive on my earlier said posts in this thread...

Q

p.s. original poster... d'ya think you're an agnostic socialist? Or did I read that wrong... of all the wierd and wonderful shapes and sizes that socialists come in... you sound like the Stalinist type... but I might be way off (before anyone accuses me of name calling)

[edit on 22/4/06 by Qoelet]

Originally posted by nephyxIran dug their own hole, NUKE THEM
[edit on 21-4-2006 by nephyx]

I second my vote to your offer !!!!

oh hell...

I didnt trealise this is now in the PTS slugfest... (colourblind you see)

the poster above... are you bleedin stupid or something?

Thats as rude as I have the energy to be

*big sigh*

Q

stupid is as stupid does. God bless you

Originally posted by Qoelet
oh hell...

I didnt trealise this is now in the PTS slugfest... (colourblind you see)

the poster above... are you bleedin stupid or something?

Thats as rude as I have the energy to be

*big sigh*

Q

Give me one reason why to let the Iranians ruin our world? Isn't it our duty to halt extremist rulers that promise us day after day that their real intention is to use the nuke against others?