Iran dug their own hole, NUKE THEM

Originally posted by Yarcofin
Why doesn't anybody have the guts to attack America on their own turf? I'm not talking about cowardly terrorist attacks. I'm talking about a full-blown war washing up onto the beach one morning.

Err, really? Well how'sabout two huge friggin oceans, the best airforce, and a navy that out spends entire national budgets. Thats why. You really think we haven't been attacked cause they're scared?

(nucularly)

I really, really hope you spelled it this way out of jest...

I say everybody attack everyone else and let's just get it over with. I'm personally prepared for armageddon.

This belongs on that note next to your corpse kid. A personal death wish and the genocide of an entire religion are two different things. Or would you like to be the first allied suicide bomber?

Its statements like this that cast you in no better light than the same fundamentalist Muslims you are crying about.



[edit on 21-4-2006 by DaFunk13]

Take out the President like we did in Iraq? That will save innocent lives? DId you live in a cave during the Iraqi occupation? Approximately 35,000 iraqi civilians lost their lives while we were occupying Iraq, and "searching" for their President.

After reading this thread I have a headache.

I have never seen so much Hypocrisy, Bigotry, Racism, Bias, and sheer ignorance coming from BOTH sides as I have seen on this board the last few days.

People calling for the genocide of the Iranians

People calling for the genocide of Muslims

People calling for the genocide of Americans

and of course the old time favorite.....

People calling for the genocide of those pesky Jews.

The Anti Islamic Bigots whining about the Muslims

The Muslim Bigots whining about the Jews and Americans

I truely fear for the future of our planet

i dont know about nuclear war but i honestly beleave that we are coming into a time of major conflicts based on religion that the world has never seen before and IMHO it is the islamic world that is starting it.
i myself am not a religious person and i beleave that not one single religion holds any of the answers we all seek.
but none the less Iran is pushing some major buttons and if the time came i couldnt see us using nuclear capability's but i could see some of those new 20,000 LB bombs being mass produced.

Isnt it something? This is the new generation.

can anyone tell me why fundamentalist islam/radical islam is not a greater problem to world peace then any other radical group?

i dont think saying "islam" or "iran" is the proper way of naming a problem.... or the problem. its not islam that is a problem... its not iran... its radical thought that wants and calls for the desctruction of a nation or people thats a problem. where am i wrong?


so i ask you to please consider my question/s above. thnx

Boy, what a sad and twisted set of postings this thread has become.

Advocating genocide in any way pretty much debases your entire point, but the author has a two pronged strategy.

1) Eliminate Islam - Good luck. I'd love to see you even try to explain how we go about something like this.

2) Institute Socialism - Again, good luck. Socialism would be ok, unless someone actually tried Capitalism again. Then they'd get swept past again, because it simply can't compete.


I'd also like to point out, that using Nukes is a fundamentally stupid idea on any side.


[edit on 21-4-2006 by KrazyJethro]

My god.....I know this is Slugfest, but doesn't this kind of push the limits of decency for a legitimate website? I guess not since no one has done any banning and/or locking?

And the intelligence behind it all.

This thread is about nuking the "Nation of Islam"

WOW, now this thread is one of extreme extremes. Even one post on here about how BAD this site is...lol
Personally this thread appeals because of the extreme view points. I mean thats what the US is all about isn't it? Me I'm a little more moderate, but that does not make me wrong/right or inbetween, just makes me me.
I think the situation in Iran is very complicated, but I still believe in the truth and justice inherent in our system and I'll stand by that because I've fought for that right.

Oh I get it now...it's so obvious. This thread is satire...I was worried for a second. It's really well camoflaged satire...right?

the origional poster wants a solution to a problem. albeit its a complicated situation i do not believe that nuking anyone would be a good solution.

what im trying to do is filter out his cowboy rhetoric and find the problem he asserts in his postings. so i figured out its the problem of "radical islam"... so far... that he has trouble with. understood... well i hope i understand his postings correctly.

so if this is the problem... then consider my post....

i really want to see if a good objective discussion can be made of any of this. correct... the situation is too complicated for any quick answer.. especially an answer on this board... but can we at least try for something?

Originally posted by krossfyter
can anyone tell me why fundamentalist islam/radical islam is not a greater problem to world peace then any other radical group?

i dont think saying "islam" or "iran" is the proper way of naming a problem.... or the problem. its not islam that is a problem... its not iran... its radical thought that wants and calls for the desctruction of a nation or people thats a problem. where am i wrong?


so i ask you to please consider my question/s above. thnx

Take the president out like we (USA) did in iraq, mmm we didn't quite do that, being that he is still around. And did a whole overhall of the whole government, break it down, reform it, and now its in chaos.

And anyway, does saying something slanderous warrent the death plentaly? Using nucular bombs to blow up the whole country?

Words are just that, words. I think one should be more weary of countrys that do actualy do millitary actions (purging their own populations or others) and occupations (ie tibet checnea).

Now before I go into why Nuking Iran would be a bad idea, I would like to pose the following thought to you:
Would you go after someone who was giving you something you needed? What if someone decided to go down to the local grocery store where you shop at and decide to destroy it and you then have to travel a very long way to get what you required? Would you go for that?
The main reasons why it is a bad idea to Iran is the following reasons:
1) They are the 4 largest producer in the world of OIL.
2) In their back yard goes at least one major pipeline of oil. Care to guess where that goes? Besides to north, east and west?
3) It would piss off the Russians. Ok so they are no longer a threat, but the next nation is a very real threat:
4) It would really piss of the Chinese.
5) It would cause all of the other Muslim nations in the world to hate us even more. And then talk about the retribution, would make 9/11 and all of the other stuff seem like a walk in the park.
There are several points that many do not seem to take into accounting:
1) Consider this, you are rasied with the beliefe and being told every day you have the latest and greatest version of a deity, God 3.0. The Christians have version God 2.0, the Jewish people have version God 1.0, and all others have the antiquated version of that deity. Then you look around at your surroundings. You live in a third rate country with no hope what so ever of improving yourself. Then you look at the others, who have, what you have been told, an inferior view and version of God and see how much better they are doing, what is your mind set then? You would be upset and not understanding, yet remain faithful as faith is all you have. Then one of the inferior beliefs came in and decided to take action against one who does have the same belief of yourself, then how pissed would you be.
A lot of the problems with Iran, as hard as it is to believe, in short we the US created. Back in the 50's and 60's the people of Iran decided to revolt against the ruler, the Shah of Iran. We gave that ruler the arms and training to put down that uprising. When he left again, they revolted again. Because we, the US, gave him sanctuary, well you can see how this made the Iranian people think of us.
What many fails to realize is this:
Alot of the main governments and nations that we have the most problems with, the US government has helped with money and matierials.

As far as dealing with the Fanatically Religions, weapons and force will not work, especially with those who follow Islam. Most of the experts agree, that the only way to get across to them, would be to do the following, you have to out do them theologically, you have to fight with words in order to win that war.


I go now. Just my input.

nephyx

It almost seems like another islam bashing thread.

Ok as many others have provided their views i will state my own drunken ideas.

First off as many others have said, Iran isn't a terrorist nation. There are many people there that are good, honest, hard working and peaceful people. The fundamentalists ruin the whole damn country.

Islam isn't bad. I am not religious in any way but i have several friends who are muslims. They have never shown any kind of aggression to anyone, in fact they are absolutely against violence in all it's forms.

Religion as a whole has caused many problems, but it has also helped with many things. I mean if you actually went out and spoke to some religious people, then you may just meet some of the really nice ones who simply want to help. If a drug addict finds religion and stops taking drugs then surely this is a good thing, when nothing else has helped them. The same goes for some career criminals who 'find' god and go straight. The fact is nothing else helped these people and if religion helps them then i have no problem with it. Don't confuse the fundamentalists with the normal followers.

As many others have stated, do you think the radiation released from those nukes wouldn't effect you? Can anyone say Chernobyl? Hey and what do you think will happen when Americas 'allies' see that you have used a nuke? The first nuke used in a 'war' since WW2? I am betting it will put them all on high alert for the next say, eternity.

To use the old saying "It's bark is worse than it's bite". Iran at the moment can't do anything truly severe. Even if the USA simply used it's normal non nuclear arsenol it wouldn't be any good. Yes you will destroy them, yes you will win, yes they wouldn't pose a possible threat of building a nuke. All these things won't change the world though. The world will be the same, the only difference is that the opinion that America is a war mongering nation will increase. The hatred of that country will not simple be confined to the middle east. Many people in many countries dislike america and they aren't all muslim. If the USA uses a nuke then the world opinion of that country will plummet in a way that no one can imagine.

The USA needs to start thinking before it acts. Wiping out religion or a country will not help. Hell you could destroy the entire middle east and the world wouldn't be more peaceful. In fact this would simply make the whole situation worse.

You say extremists and fundamentalist are bad and you are right, but you are one. As with every other extremist you think you are right, your cause is just. Opinions like yours are what started the Nazis off. You may not see it but i think you are what you hate, an extremist.

Originally posted by nephyx
If someone were intelligent, wouldnt peace through diplomacy seem like a more realistic option unless you were a complete caveman?

That is really condescending.

Originally posted by nephyx

Originally posted by passengername
Well maybe the president of Iran was listening to you and your dad! you think he's going to hit us first. sounds like he's using the exact logic that you are. If everyone thought like this, everyone would be fighting all the time. everyone, in essence, would become a bully.

I just hope your not passing this train of thought on to the next generation.

Not if you rip off their wings so they cant fly. Thats the whole point.

Also people keep making claims that I dont like Muslims because I have different religious beliefs. This is not the case here, I have a problem with religion in general but when it comes to Muslims they take the lame cake so I figure we should start with them and enjoy the domino effect of religious genocide.

I cant agree with any of the points you have made thus far. While in my own opinion Iran is a threat, but the people are not the enemy it is their leadership. You cant just nuke an entire religious group because YOU feel they are the problem. They are not, it is those who use the Muslim religion and skew its beliefs to meet their sick ideology. I've personally known quite a few people who follow the faith of Islam(not strictly, much like myself and Christianity) and they are enjoyable folks to go out and have a beer with. Nothing personal, and you are entitled to your opinion, but youre dead wrong on this issue.

lol

which is why im saying what im saying... "radical islam" is a problem just much as any other thought that advocates for the destruction of an entire people or group...

so which radical group is causing the most trouble in our society today and how do you take care of them so they cant harm others who respect different belief systems and accept differences? ??


thats my quesion.

Originally posted by dgtempe


And the intelligence behind it all.

This thread is about nuking the "Nation of Islam"

That has to be the funniest thing i've read in a long time! on that one.

War is a horrible, dirty angry mess. Those having been in combat will tell you its the worst of mankind. Yet we are such a violent species, as indicated by these postings. I fear that very violence will make war inevitable for us for a long time. We talk so fondly of peace and yet all of our solutions revolve around violence. and NO I do not have a solution, just a profound sadness that the world has come to this point...
Unlike WWI and WWII, we have the power to now destroy most of where we live in only a few minutes and it would appear the propensity. I love this country and am so very proud that we are so strong and successful and I am so tired of those little 3rd world dictators spouting off. Maybe they should try and get their people flush toilets first and then threaten the world. How about running water for the masses, not just the rich.
Just goes to show that dictatorships do not work and they are jelous and want to bring us down to their level.