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Is it possible to pursue magic as a means to heal? And how much chance is there that if one did so, it would backfire and cause harm? Magic amazes and intrigues me, but I would not want to pursue it for any reason other than doing good things like healing.
Originally posted by siriuslyone
Originally posted by groingrinder
I have no doubt that there are some who can conjure. There are also those who construct thought forms. I am not one of them and stay away from magikal practice and practitioners. I must always suspect somebody who wants to obtain through magik what is intended to be obtained through conventional means.
More than you know, but IMO to 'trade' one's immortality or numbers of reincarnations for $$ or power is not a price I am willing to pay.
most of the occult teachings don't even involve magick but they do teach you a lot of down to earth principles from a mystic point of view. take kaballah for excample, take alchemy for excample. Are those 2 evil as well? you'll learn about yoga, kundalini. Religions which you never heard about or delve deeper into then you ever thought possible. Magick is nothing more then a tool and a set of techniques to train your mind and find answers you'd normally never find.
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Is it possible to pursue magic as a means to heal? And how much chance is there that if one did so, it would backfire and cause harm? Magic amazes and intrigues me, but I would not want to pursue it for any reason other than doing good things like healing.
I must keep a close eye on my conduct.Having gone far into that which most dont come back from.On that too I am and always will be somewhat damned for my studies and places within my own psychee that I have gone.I am young and already have to fight for the salvation or damnation of my soul.
Originally posted by toraylin
In regards to summoning things.We ourselves become that which we practice bringing upon ourselves and those around us the weigth of what we say and do.Always try to look through the eyes of those involved.
Originally posted by Enyalius
However...Magick doesn't always manifest the way you expect it. So it is very important to learn how to phrase your actions to reduce possible side effects. For excample you're anxiously waiting for a package to be delivered. You use a method to increase the speed of the delivery of A package. What might happen is that another package gets delivered faster while the one you were aiming at wasn't influenced.
Originally posted by Enyalius
let me guess you just started with the study of magick and try to show off what you read in Eliphas Levi's book?
so in short...what is the added value of this topic? what is your question?
Originally posted by Cug
Originally posted by Enyalius
However...Magick doesn't always manifest the way you expect it. So it is very important to learn how to phrase your actions to reduce possible side effects. For excample you're anxiously waiting for a package to be delivered. You use a method to increase the speed of the delivery of A package. What might happen is that another package gets delivered faster while the one you were aiming at wasn't influenced.
I think a better example may be if you do a ritual for money. The way the magick might manifest is that your parent's might die in a car wreck and you received your inheritance. Results like this are one of the main reasons things like doing a divination before doing anything, and actually studying the occult before you start to "play around" with it.
[edit on 1/27/2006 by Cug]
Originally posted by Enyalius
if that is the case then:
1. the person in question has a lot to learn towards their ego. else you would have learned that material wealth is pretty much useless and that there is something much more worthy.
2. the individual has no idea how to perform "magick", use the universal energies. else the individual would have used proper wording to eliminate such extreme possibilities from happening.
an the last part i agree. you should study a lot of theory before you start putting things into practice. it's not unusual that it takes a dedicated magus to spend 1-2 years full time of theoretic studying. even longer if you lack time to dedicate to the study.
Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl
A better definition may be wanting, but the point is that Occult isn't a single thing, it's a collection of things that don't fit the 'normal' definition.
So, in short, could some one, or actually a few people, actually state what they believe and follow?