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Originally posted by toraylin
Since I have joined this site I have met some pretty amazing people who transcend what it is to be normal.Such as seriouslyone.How do you know of the word grok?.It means to totaly grasp something to the extreme or to the likes of that right?
A friend of mine told me of that word under the impression that he himself made it up.This is interesting.
Anyway when it comes to learning and abilities I am very new to the game.
Having a good understanding of alot of different things can contradict just about every thought you have.
In many cases I find myself too focused on the world at hand,rather then keeping in check how I feel and conduct myself with others.
I must keep a close eye on my conduct.Having gone far into that which most dont come back from.On that too I am and always will be somewhat damned for my studies and places within my own psychee that I have gone.I am young and already have to fight for the salvation or damnation of my soul.
A dear friend of mine on this site will not talk to me now for how I have been lately,delving into the different areas of the paranormal goes against what she stands for.I dunno.We all have the ability to do much or do little.
good or bad.The reasons behind peoples different affiliations and beliefs are really unknown to me.Depends on what you see or take in i guess.There are many here who know more than I..
[edit on 25-1-2006 by toraylin]
Originally posted by Cug
Originally posted by Enyalius
if that is the case then:
1. the person in question has a lot to learn towards their ego. else you would have learned that material wealth is pretty much useless and that there is something much more worthy.
Well IMHO that is said by many who only claim to be able to do magick as an explanation for why they are not rich. But I do agree in part, there are better things to be doing than trying for money. BUT it's not something that should never be done. Say you wish to do the Abramelin operation (it takes 6 months) by the book but you just can't afford to take the time off work. In this case there should be no problem doing a ritual for money so you can do it. (but I'd probably do a ritual with the intent of "allowing me to preform the Abramelin operation"... but that could backfire also.. I might get fired and end up with plenty of time on my hands )
2. the individual has no idea how to perform "magick", use the universal energies. else the individual would have used proper wording to eliminate such extreme possibilities from happening.
That still might not help. There is just no way you can control how it might manifest 100% of the time. That's why divination is necessary.
an the last part i agree. you should study a lot of theory before you start putting things into practice. it's not unusual that it takes a dedicated magus to spend 1-2 years full time of theoretic studying. even longer if you lack time to dedicate to the study.
A lot of armchair reading then A TON of practice of just the basics. In fact you should start the basics the same time you start studying. Many people a surprised about just how weak their Will really is. Just doing some basic rituals daily without slaking off is hard when your starting.
(Are you physicaly feeling ok and well? Aches and pains, tired, bad dreams etc?)
Originally posted by Enyalius
Personally I would NEVER do a ritual to gain money out of the blue, so the speak. It only gives you once in a time temporal influx on income. What if you need money the next time? You'll become to depending on magick instead of looking for your own strenghts. This is why I casted a ritual with the phrase "I want a job that suits me and my talents and would give me an abundance of money". Within 3 weeks I got a job offer and I'm working there for 2 months now. What is the difference? I generated a fixed income of money and I'm capable of growing further in new situations as a human being.
Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
I'm not talking about what the picture MEANS. It doesn't matter. It is what it REPRESENTS. If the meaning itself were important, I wouldn't have read a post asking what you can do. I would have read a post with some background and meet to it - something substancial and particular in it's question. To me, that pic told me that you are not looking to learn about and work with the enrgy, you are looking to manipulate and control it. It tells me your motive is not a good one.
Eliphas Levi and Baphomet
A much more recent and well known depiction shows Baphomet in the form of a winged humanoid goat with a pair of breasts and a torch on his head between his horns. This image comes from Eliphas Lévi's 1854 Dogme et rituel de la haute magie (in English known as Transcendental Magic). Lévi considered the Baphomet to be a depiction of the absolute in symbolic form. Lévi on the symbolism of his drawing:
"The goat on the frontispiece carries the sign of the pentagram on the forehead, with one point at the top, a symbol of light, his two hands forming the sign of hermetism, the one pointing up to the white moon of Chesed, the other pointing down to the black one of Geburah. This sign expresses the perfect harmony of mercy with justice. His one arm is female, the other male like the ones of the androgyn of Khunrath, the attributes of which we had to unite with those of our goat because he is one and the same symbol. The flame of intelligence shining between his horns is the magic light of the universal balance, the image of the soul elevated above matter, as the flame, whilst being tied to matter, shines above it. The ugly beast's head expresses the horror of the sinner, whose materially acting, solely reponsible part has to bear the punishment exclusively; because the soul is insensitive according to its nature and can only suffer when it materializes. The rod standing instead of genitals symbolizes eternal life, the body covered with scales the water, the semi- circle above it the atmosphere, the feathers following above the volatile. Humanity is represented by the two breasts and the androgyn arms of this sphinx of the occult sciences."
Levi called his image “the Baphomet of Mendes.” Levi combined the images of the Tarot Devil card and the he-goat worshipped in the city of Mendes in Ancient Egypt. It is unclear whether the Ancient Egyptian women had intercourse with the goat during religious rites for fertility, but the Catholic Church claimed this and it is possible that this is where the notion that the Devil had intercourse with his witches came from. The goat (sometimes a ram was used) was the master of fertility and was celebrated as “copulator in Anep and inseminator in the district of Mendes,” where women were blessed with children. During rituals, women danced naked before the image. The Order of Nine Angles claims another perspective to Baphomet.
Criticism of Levi's interpretation
Lévi's depiction, for all its fame, is not particularly authentic to the historical description from the Templar trials, although it is akin to the gargoyles found on several Templar (and non Templar) churches— or Viollet-le-Duc's vivid gargoyles added to Notre Dame de Paris about the same time as Lévi's illustration.
Critics argue that Levi and other writers, such as Albert Pike, were attempting to to use the false accusations against the Templars to fabricate from the name Baphomet a veritable Deity of Hedonism and Rebellion against a Christian establishment. Levi's now-familiar image shown here as a "Sabbatic Goat" may have partially derived from the 18th-19th century Spanish artist Francisco Goya, who painted a "Witch's Sabbath" in 1800 in which a group of seated women were offering their dead infant children to a seated goat. Levi also incorrectly identified Baphomet with the Goat of Mendes, an ancient Egyptian god whose name should more properly be translated as "Harpocrates, the Ram of Mendes," a sheep-god who was the Creator and tutelary deity of his region (the city of Mendes). Harpocrates was a granter of fertility, but he was not associated with debauch or lust -- and, most important from the standpoint of this investigation into mythography, in animal-form, he was a ram, not a buck goat.
The belief in Baphomet still exists among some occultists. They hold the idol of the Templars was really the god of the witches deriving from the nature god Pan. In the 19th. century the Austrian Orientalist Baron Joseph von Hammer-Purgstal discovered an inscription on a coffer in Burgandy which he claimed indicated the Baphomet came from the Greek words meaning "Baptism of Metis (Wisdom)." This seemed to exalt Metis or Baphomet as the true divinity.
Originally posted by siriuslyone
There was a valid reason for this thread and if you do not care for it, then why waste your time with all this rhetoric?
It's not that I don't care for your thread. I am interested. But I think everyone deserves an honest answer. I didn't see a point for the thread other than what I already mentioned, but let me go re-read the origonal post... I could be wrong.
I see the problem. You typed ... What you May Conjure with Magic?
I took that as the question ... what CAN YOU conjure with Magic. (so many foreigners that can't speak english use those programs to convert... it leaves the sentances a bit messed up). Then, the picture and below that the words are in a box. I am assuming you pulled that from another site. I only wanted YOUR words, not to read an artical. (Very rarely do I stop and read something copy/paisted that is more than a few sentances. I'm more interested in the poeples opinions and thoughts than an artical. So, I always read the post but just skip by the articals)
So - I saw a question and a pic. Those words + that pic... I'd have to stand by my initial thoughts - it don't look good.
Still - I haven't read that artical or what ever it was. I only want your words and thoughts. That's the important thing. Is there some particualr idea or thought you wanted to convey by posting the words in the box below the pic? I'm interested in knowing if that idea or thought changes the idea of the post and in what way.
I'll come back this evening just to check
I should tell you...
I'm not trying to be silly or assinine or ???
The reason I'm so interested in YOUR take and not someone elses is because it changes the entire meaning and needed responce. That don't make alot of snese probably. Let me just give an example.
Say I give you a pretty profound booklet. It's crammed with meaning and info. If you read it last year your would have gotten ABCDE out of it. But if you read it again 6 months ago, the information you precieved and that sttod out in your mind more would have been FGHIJ. Again, you read the same book today - today, because you have grown in understanding and have been in contact with new ideas etc, you would gain the knowledge or ideas of HIJKL. Does this make any sense or Am I the only one that will understand this?
(I've got to leave for work NOW - I can't stay and proof read)
Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
The difference between energy work and magic is the persons thoughts behind it. It's all using energy and intent. But usualy the people who are looking for magic are looking for something other than learning and growing spiritualy and working with the enrgy and intent for a higher purpose for not only themselves, but for others and often for the sake of others first.
The reason I'm not letting go of this point, is because the magic mot people look for is hinged on these concepts that many people believe to be irrelevant.
There is no difference and there is no difference in mindset either. We're all using the same energies and intentions. And magick and the occult is more aimed towards self exploration and self growth and understanding and spirituality then you might think.
"This type of creature has been here for eons.Think you could control it if you wish to indulge in dark or light ceremonial magic?"
excellis' or 'philosopher's stone', or whatever it's called, and the process proceeded just as depicted in his recipe. The description of the changes and end product was very interesting. Unfortunately, rather than gold being what was created, it was one of the ingredients he had to supply.