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The Book proves a very good description of who God is and how He relates to us. I'll send a copy at my expense if anyone wishes to read.
This implications of the statement was that is was only one book by one author. This is not the case in the collection of books in the Book, also called The Bible. Also, the Bible does not claim to be God en totale. In fact it says the opposite. That God is living, present, and we can have a personal relationship with Him as a great source of guidance.
No use experimenting when you already have the results. They're documented already in the same Book we're discussing. Any meddling on my part would put more "human" factor in the equation so I'd rather those who are interested go to the source.
I did not claim this test would prove the Bible. Many tests may lead to a conclusion which can help. Per my many statements to the effect, we need to find God to know who God is and whether or not these are His words.
Ah, so it does work. Test #1 Complete. Thank you. Shall we continue with more? Or, should we just skip to the end and work on establishing a working relationship with God?
Originally posted by Prot0n
The bible only describe's one god out of many through out history.
Originally posted by Prot0n
And does a very poor job at that with the many contradictive statement's about this one god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
He/She never stated anything that would imply one authorship for the bible.
Originally posted by Prot0n
He/She said : "how can one book be the only true religious scripture,"
As I pointed out, the bible can be consider one book as a whole, so the statement that was made was perfectly valid. Your taking the statement out of context and applying new meaning to it.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If your talking about the Messianic prophecies, then no. Nothing has been proven by way of Jesus. He goes against many of the prophecies nor does he fulfill most of them. And no, there was no virgin birth prophecy for the Messiah.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Nor would a virgin birth lead to a lineage through Joseph and to top that all off, the final 'result', Mary's lineage is clearly given in Luke 1:36 which is not of Davidic lineage and invalidate's any furthur claim's to Jesus being of Davidic lineage.
Originally posted by Prot0n
How are we truely trying to find god when we're applying ourselve's to only one god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
There are many god's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Most of them much older then the Christian god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
We also have to ask ourselve's ... Which Christian god is the right one.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Every Christian has their own opinions on who god is and how he works.
Originally posted by Prot0n
This is just silly.
Originally posted by Prot0n
How can one even begin to fathom a supreme infinite being who exist's outside of existance?
Originally posted by Prot0n
The human mind is finite and thus, there is no comprehensible way for anyone to 'know' god, if god truely exist's and isn't a man made concept.
Originally posted by Prot0n
The test was never finnished.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Most certainly not by me, nor by 99.999% of the human population.
Originally posted by Prot0n
As for a personal relationship with god, as the Bible state's.. "God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Does that sound right?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Or do you follow what Jesus says instead? "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
Originally posted by Prot0n
By personal relationship with God, by which route are we discussing here?
...but it does explain why.
Opinion. You're entiled to yours though I am more interested in facts.
My statement was one of fact to recognize that it this Book is a collection of many books spanning a huge timeframe. Ad infinitum with the argument. Call it a single book if you like, but it's like calling a mountain a anthill.
Yes there was, but I suspect you already know that.
I don't know what Luke 1:36 has to do with anything we're discussing here. Actually it's Joseph's lineage that's given in Luke 3:23.
"For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."
But only one that is living.
What god was created before "In the Beginning..."?
There is only One. No buffet of choices here.
And some have facts.
Good question. God being God, how could any human totally comprehend Him? I'd say none...but we know a bit about Him with His interactions with us.
To know Him does not mean to know all of Him and understand all that He is. Some of this lack of comprehension is alleviated post-mortem.
It was agreed that this works. Anyone disagree?
You overestimate yourself and underestimate 99.999% of the human population. Please provide data to support this statistic.
God is near all who call to Him. He who believes in Christ will enter the presence of God.
As you've quoted above. You want God near you? Call upon Him. Want to enter His presence? "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." - Romans 10:9. It isn't rocket science folks. For some reason we like to make things more complicated than they really are.
Originally posted by Prot0n
In the author's own opinion's. But then again, nearly ever religous text does this same thing, explain's why their god(s) are the one true god(s).
Originally posted by Prot0n
You seem only interested in the 'Christian' fact's. This is abit onesided and doesn't help anything at all.
Originally posted by Prot0n
It's been duly noted already that it's a collection of books by various author's. Let's take this as an example. There's certain sci-fi books, the book itself has one title, but the individual stories are all authored by different people. We still refer to the book as a book in it's entirety, as a whole. If you really want to nitpick and claim that one can't refer to the Bible (that being the title of one book containing a collection of various stories authored by many different individuals), then that's your choice.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If you'd bothered researching the Jewish prophecies that the Christians are reliant upon you'll come to learn that there is no virgin birth prophecied. If you read the Bible in correct order and context you'l also see Mary is not of Davidic lineage as well.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Jesus fulfills nothing.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Good point, but this is of the Christian god and pre-assume's that the Christian god is the only god. This does little as far as trying to find the one true god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
This pre-assume's that the Christian god was the first, both scripturally and historically. This simply isn't so. The ancient Summerian culture, Egyptians, Hindus, Chinese all predate Christian faith and monthiestic belief's. Both scripturally and historically.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Well, this is pre-assuming that YOUR version and concept of who god is would be the right one. This can be highly debated amongst the plethora of Christian sects.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Really? Care to explain more on this? Have Christians proven what exist's outside the universe that no one else on the planet can deny the evidence for? There are no fact's, just assumption's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
We're still stuck on the pre-assumption of your version of god. This does little to show us anything.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If there is an afterlife as described in the Christian bible. But given that Christianity relies upon Jewish prophecies and orginates from Jewish belief's, you should really take a look at what the Jewish people back then had to say about the afterlife.
Originally posted by Prot0nTechnically it hasn't been shown to work, it's only been shown to be philosophically the right thing to do.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I don't see how I overestimated myself. And watch the news, this isn't a perfect world.
Originally posted by Prot0n
You do realize those to verse's are in contradiction to one another ... The verse Jesus said is basically calling for an intermediary wheras the first verse says nothing of this sort. Ther first verse doesn't mention that one need to believe in Jesus.
Originally posted by saint4God
As you've quoted above. You want God near you? Call upon Him. Want to enter His presence? "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." - Romans 10:9. It isn't rocket science folks. For some reason we like to make things more complicated than they really are.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Jesus is not lord. The Messiah is not a pagan demi-god.
"God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4)
Originally posted by Prot0n
In the author's own opinion's. But then again, nearly ever religous text does this same thing, explain's why their god(s) are the one true god(s).
Originally posted by Prot0n
You seem only interested in the 'Christian' fact's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
This is abit onesided and doesn't help anything at all.
Originally posted by Prot0n
It's been duly noted already that it's a collection of books by various author's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Let's take this as an example. There's certain sci-fi books, the book itself has one title, but the individual stories are all authored by different people. We still refer to the book as a book in it's entirety, as a whole. If you really want to nitpick and claim that one can't refer to the Bible (that being the title of one book containing a collection of various stories authored by many different individuals), then that's your choice.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If you'd bothered researching the Jewish prophecies that the Christians are reliant upon you'll come to learn that there is no virgin birth prophecied.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If you read the Bible in correct order and context you'l also see Mary is not of Davidic lineage as well. Jesus fulfills nothing.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I don't know what Luke 1:36 has to do with anything we're discussing here. Actually it's Joseph's lineage that's given in Luke 3:23.
It has a little bit to do with what I previously stated.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If we assume the virgin birth story and given the traditional customs back in those days and given the clearly stated lineage for Mary, we see that Jesus' lineage is not of David.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Good point, but this is of the Christian god and pre-assume's that the Christian god is the only god. This does little as far as trying to find the one true god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
This can be highly debated. There are many other religions out there who claim this very same thing
Originally posted by Prot0n
and many different sects of Christianity who claim to hold truth over the other's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
This pre-assume's that the Christian god was the first, both scripturally and historically. This simply isn't so.
Originally posted by Prot0n
The ancient Summerian culture, Egyptians, Hindus, Chinese all predate Christian faith and monthiestic belief's. Both scripturally and historically.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Well, this is pre-assuming that YOUR version and concept of who god is would be the right one. This can be highly debated amongst the plethora of Christian sects.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Really? Care to explain more on this? Have Christians proven what exist's outside the universe that no one else on the planet can deny the evidence for? There are no fact's, just assumption's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
We're still stuck on the pre-assumption of your version of god. This does little to show us anything.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If there is an afterlife as described in the Christian bible. But given that Christianity relies upon Jewish prophecies and orginates from Jewish belief's, you should really take a look at what the Jewish people back then had to say about the afterlife.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Technically it hasn't been shown to work, it's only been shown to be philosophically the right thing to do.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I don't see how I overestimated myself.
Originally posted by Prot0n
And watch the news, this isn't a perfect world.
Originally posted by Prot0n
You do realize those to verse's are in contradiction to one another ... The verse Jesus said is basically calling for an intermediary wheras the first verse says nothing of this sort. Ther first verse doesn't mention that one need to believe in Jesus.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Jesus is not lord.
Originally posted by Prot0n
The Messiah is not a pagan demi-god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
"God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
Originally posted by Prot0n
"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4)
As common known, there is only one true God, or migh be one that is all and therefore unjudgable or judged in unlimited ways. hahah!
might also be that different names might be given to the same, I heard somewhere before he would like to be called Allah, or YHWH, I just feel his appearance.
All the worshipping done by us must be to him, or He will never receive it, so you might get lost. Yes, and then you worship false ones, idols or I don't know, whatever you might believe what the superpower above you is, governments I hear you say? yes, listen to their words, you'll get far.. behind ah well.. who am I kidding..
do you mean by christian, one that is teached by the book? well, the parables and text gives much insight, or better, they gives us common topics to talk about, so we get a common perspective on things, or I mean, when this book is known by everyone, one can debate any subject at hand if he would like, .... in my opinion also
one might see it as a bit of fantasy like, but miracles do appear by him.. ..... ever read about a russian girl crying diamants?
how does that react on you? what do you fulfill then?
You've labeled God now, to be one of christians, so you seperate, when you talk about a christian god, and a muslim god, then you are allready worshipping two false ones, it is in fact the one that is near, but there is a lot told about him, Him tried to be explained. I find this book quite fascinating and explains in a simple way our nature, and is easy to use for balancing, to get to know right from wrong, in yourself, and to understand God's nature plus that of your own, ah just showing some respect to the book, which I have.. read it and heaven will knock on your door, for thy wilt knock on it by reading..
heheh, but God is that which was first, or always ah hell I can't explain. And stop labeling... christian god, the book isn't all fairytale.. some that might claim themselve christian might still be worshipping 'false' gods, or sending their worship to a wrong ideal. Better say the God of the Bible then, hu but still, there are two Gods right, the one from old and the one from the new testament? going off topic, ah this is so broad..
hmm.. the word christian has gotten to much attention in the media I guess..
I'd say..... uhum, what is your version..??? 6.7? I think after reading that which saint talks about, one can figure out he has at least a wide perspective of that which he is, and has great insight into things. Why not trying to learn eachother and let eachother know what one another thinks about that which he truly is, instead of labeling one another for worshipping false ones, since you are seperating.. easy said huh
Might have similaritis or things that can be thrown together to give us a wider perspective of the whole. btw, afterlife now
As perfect as He is, just not seen this way by us, every action is perfect in its nature, but we tend to not tend to perfection.
you don't truly know or understand him?
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word came into the flesh, as this flesh was His son, He spoketh.
Originally posted by Prot0n
alienaddicted,
As common known, there is only one true God, or migh be one that is all and therefore unjudgable or judged in unlimited ways. hahah!
might also be that different names might be given to the same, I heard somewhere before he would like to be called Allah, or YHWH, I just feel his appearance.
All the worshipping done by us must be to him, or He will never receive it, so you might get lost. Yes, and then you worship false ones, idols or I don't know, whatever you might believe what the superpower above you is, governments I hear you say? yes, listen to their words, you'll get far.. behind ah well.. who am I kidding..
Other religions would say the same thing to you. Your following a false god. This does little for either party, when both are viewing something infinitley greater then them in such a narrow point of view.
my self doesn't follow, it is or might be perceived as is guided. You have a wrong perception of self. As I might be bothered by which is now the true self..
do you mean by christian, one that is teached by the book? well, the parables and text gives much insight, or better, they gives us common topics to talk about, so we get a common perspective on things, or I mean, when this book is known by everyone, one can debate any subject at hand if he would like, .... in my opinion also
The only insight obtainable from the biblical text's are moral philosophical lesson's. The very same one's taught nearly world wide by differing religions and differing culture's in varying degree's of belief's in those value's. This does little by way of evidence for it's validity.
yes, but are all those cultures not growing their own thoughts on what His nature is, the true nature, that which he is is hard to explain, but his ways can be noticed and thereof claims can be made, but still, lots of views on it are possible, which angle do you take? Which ways of Him is your reasoning blocking? Which false judgements or even judgements did you take? hm.. He did advise us not to judge..
one might see it as a bit of fantasy like, but miracles do appear by him.. ..... ever read about a russian girl crying diamants?
I've read many paranormal claim's that have been proven false heresey's. Show one religous 'miracle' that is proven to be a miracle and nothing else or could be explained by any other means. And this claim has to be scientifically well documented and accepted.
I turned my head,.. and you nodded. You want another one?
how does that react on you? what do you fulfill then?
I'm not following you on this one ... I don't claim to fulfill the Messiah's role, if that's what you mean?
You claim Jesus did not fulfill anything, aint you fulfilling your own life, the steps you are supposed to take, or has lazyness taken over you?
You've labeled God now, to be one of christians, so you seperate, when you talk about a christian god, and a muslim god, then you are allready worshipping two false ones, it is in fact the one that is near, but there is a lot told about him, Him tried to be explained. I find this book quite fascinating and explains in a simple way our nature, and is easy to use for balancing, to get to know right from wrong, in yourself, and to understand God's nature plus that of your own, ah just showing some respect to the book, which I have.. read it and heaven will knock on your door, for thy wilt knock on it by reading..
Any personal opinionated view would be false. The issue here is, god is infinitely greater then the human mind and no human mind can grasp such infinitness in any obtainable comprehensible fashion no matter how hard one tries. The Christian bible's God is one that's widely believed in, but then again we have a variety of differing sects with differing views. None of these personal views can be more correct then the other due to the infinitness issue.
An opinion is never false, but can be incorrect. An opinion depends on the view, and the view depends on the person that saw or noticed. You are correct on this, not?
heheh, but God is that which was first, or always ah hell I can't explain. And stop labeling... christian god, the book isn't all fairytale.. some that might claim themselve christian might still be worshipping 'false' gods, or sending their worship to a wrong ideal. Better say the God of the Bible then, hu but still, there are two Gods right, the one from old and the one from the new testament? going off topic, ah this is so broad..
Seeing as how I'm discussing a Christian book that discuss's the Christian god, there's no reason not to state the obvious. It is the Christian god, although you are more then entitled to go against the mainstream religous views and redefine god yourself to suite your own purposes and your own beleifs.
God is truly that which he is, you can have as much opinions on what you have self experienced, the book can have a boost on this process. When you've attained witness of God, due to the a christian book, is your God christian then? What if you worship the God from the Book, without ever reading it, which is possible, offcourse, would you claim him worshipping a christian God, or just.. God?
hmm.. the word christian has gotten to much attention in the media I guess..
Christianity has been in the spot light for the past 2000 year's.
and widely misinterpreted too
I'd say..... uhum, what is your version..??? 6.7? I think after reading that which saint talks about, one can figure out he has at least a wide perspective of that which he is, and has great insight into things. Why not trying to learn eachother and let eachother know what one another thinks about that which he truly is, instead of labeling one another for worshipping false ones, since you are seperating.. easy said huh
This is still working off of the author's personal opinions and views of who and what god is. You can claim to gain wisdom all you want through reading the bible and claiming 'personal experience', but any opinionated view's and definitions of god would be rendered false due to the infinitness problem. Man's mind is simply to finite to comprehend something eternally infinite and greater then man himself. Possibly this is the basis of faith, but then we're left with the issue of how to have faith in the correct concept of god when man in his finite abilities can't fully or even come close to understanding something so much greater then himself.
God is in you, but the thing that perceives Him can never fully understand Him, but can notice His ways, by which you grow faith in Him, we are complex beings
Might have similaritis or things that can be thrown together to give us a wider perspective of the whole. btw, afterlife now
There's no true way to gain a wider perspective. All views of the afterlife through out all societies, culture's, and personal belief's are very very different. Some may be similar to other's, but as a whole it's nearly impossible to mesh them all into one grand unified afterlife theory. That, and given that all aspect's of the afterlife were written by the living who've never lived in the eternal afterlife and so have no experience of such a place to put into writting.
I believe we are the afterlife, or that which we are in the afterlife, in a body, or in control of a body, so we have the afterlife now. Be it, or judge it.
As perfect as He is, just not seen this way by us, every action is perfect in its nature, but we tend to not tend to perfection.
As perfect as who is?
As you are , but not as what you think that you are, it always runs short..
you don't truly know or understand him?
I know and understand on the same level as anyone else on this planet. If your going to claim to know the infinite, comprehend the infinite, and can describe the infinite, you might wanna check into getting on a few major network broadcast stations and stepping up to fulfill the role of the messiah.
quantum physics is a good starter to get insight into the process..
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word came into the flesh, as this flesh was His son, He spoketh.
What chapter:verse and gospel is that from?
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
From my understanding, this would be the begining of the book. Is it not?
2 Peter, you know the one that I quoted, disagrees. So do many, many other books within the Bible AND the tongues of those who know God. You don't need me to disagree with you.
Let any who have facts present them, Christian or otherwise.
....over thousands of years. Two parts to my statement there. Willing to acknowledge this as well? If so, I give the not to your definition as well.
...over thousands of years. Do you see the uniqueness of this one Book yet?
Isaiah 7:14 " Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Really Prot0n, you're not making this very hard.
Joseph is the Davidic lineage. Heritage is passed through the male line, not the female. Please don't tell me you didn't know that.
How? There is no lineage of Mary given nor does it matter.
Joseph. Male line, etc. Care to address any of my points or are you insistent on on restating yours.
At least it does something . So we're making progress albeit slow. You can put God last on the checklist if you like, so long as you get to that investigation before the heart stops beating...to when that is I can make no guarentees.
Not my problem. I'm not in the business of psychology but rather reality.
Says you. What evidence do you have to show that God was not there "In the Beginning..."? My Book says He was.
These do not predate the belief in God. Christianity is also known as Messainic Judiasm. What existed before Judiasm again?
It's not "my version" cross-reference among all Bible believing sects and show my how "my version" differs please.
There are facts, but it is not a Christians job to prove God to you or anyone else. Only God can prove to you He exists, take it up with Him. Your fight isn't with me or any other Christian.
Don't take my word for it. I'm not looking for followers of me nor do I want them. Find God for yourself if you don't want any guidance. You have that right and ability just as I did.
Adam talked to God without believing in Jesus because at that time God and Christ were One. John illustrates this nicely as it opens the chapter:
Interesting how my quote in John, the New Testament, matches this one? Coincidence?
my self doesn't follow, it is or might be perceived as is guided. You have a wrong perception of self. As I might be bothered by which is now the true self..
yes, but are all those cultures not growing their own thoughts on what His nature is, the true nature, that which he is is hard to explain, but his ways can be noticed and thereof claims can be made, but still, lots of views on it are possible, which angle do you take? Which ways of Him is your reasoning blocking? Which false judgements or even judgements did you take? hm.. He did advise us not to judge..
I turned my head,.. and you nodded. You want another one?
You claim Jesus did not fulfill anything, aint you fulfilling your own life, the steps you are supposed to take, or has lazyness taken over you?
An opinion is never false, but can be incorrect. An opinion depends on the view, and the view depends on the person that saw or noticed. You are correct on this, not?
God is truly that which he is, you can have as much opinions on what you have self experienced, the book can have a boost on this process. When you've attained witness of God, due to the a christian book, is your God christian then? What if you worship the God from the Book, without ever reading it, which is possible, offcourse, would you claim him worshipping a christian God, or just.. God?
and widely misinterpreted too
God is in you, but the thing that perceives Him can never fully understand Him, but can notice His ways, by which you grow faith in Him, we are complex beings
I believe we are the afterlife, or that which we are in the afterlife, in a body, or in control of a body, so we have the afterlife now. Be it, or judge it.
As you are , but not as what you think that you are, it always runs short..
quantum physics is a good starter to get insight into the process..
So God is in all things, as the spirit is or can be, as was his son, as you are.
I don't know that what God is, but lately, I do realize I have a quite clear perception in my mind of it. How energys operate. I have done reiki I two years ago, and the process of opening up to energies and acting on them is a trial, an eye-opener.
Just had to let it go off my chest, and seems to be here. greetings..
Originally posted by Thinker_1
Talk about letting your buttons be pushed - howmany of you have high blood pressure or heart problems? RELAX !!!
Originally posted by Prot0n
I don't know that what God is, but lately, I do realize I have a quite clear perception in my mind of it. How energys operate. I have done reiki I two years ago, and the process of opening up to energies and acting on them is a trial, an eye-opener.
Reiki is a japanese spiritual healing technique. Mikao Usui (1865-1926) claim's to have "rediscovered" Reiki. Reiki relies upon the 'aura', a sublte energy field around living matter. An energy feild that does not exist. Reiki is also not accepted as it doesn't heal beyond that expected from the placebo effect.
you are good in interpreting that which you have studied, but reiki is just a name for the energies that are. No one truly needed to invent a name on that, but God would suit perfectly. What is it else I could ask you? You seem to can talk about it widely, but do you also have the right interpretion or perspective?.. on everything then I mean, cause you can hit points..
Just had to let it go off my chest, and seems to be here. greetings..
I'm not sure how to interpret that paragraph nor understand what it was supposed to mean or how it applies to what we were previously discussing?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Peter can disagree with other religous belief's all he want's. It's his opinion over their's and both opinions can be highly debatable.
Originally posted by Prot0n
What 'facts' have you presented?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Of course I acknowledge the NT books were written over the course of ... Forty some odd years. Roughly two, possibly five year's after Jesus' death (or fleeing to Kashmir). Despite the many authorships, the bible itself is still refered to as a whole, as one book. This is why the various gospel's can be and are refered to as chapter's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
The Egyptian book of the dead is much older. Perhaps that's more unique instead.
Originally posted by Prot0n
You need to step outside of this one sided view and look at the Jewish language this 'prophecy' relies upon. The word used by the Jews was alma (do a search).
Originally posted by Prot0n
Through direct descendence, yes. God is supposedly Jesus' father nullifying any davidic lineage.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Please tell me you've read Isaiah and fully understood it?
Originally posted by Prot0n
"There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren."(Luke 1:36)
Originally posted by Prot0n
You haven't made any valid point's to address.
Originally posted by Prot0n
You fail to comprehend the customs of the time's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
You also fail to draw a distinct line of how god's fathership of Jesus result's in a direct descendence of the Davidic lineage.
Originally posted by Prot0n
You took the phrase "this does little" out of context and interjected a new meaning in such a way to make this quoted statement. Naughty naughty.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Yet you hold onto the realm of phsychology for your faith. This is all nothing more then philosophical arguments, none of it founded in reality.
Originally posted by Prot0n
A book written by a man who assume's that a god was there and has no direct evidence to show us in his book that there was a god there. Older religion's in history make this same claim, their god(s) were what started the creation process. Although the view's of how that process went are entirely different.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Of the Judaism religion, they do indeed predate it. Pick up a history/archeology book. Learn. The Egyptian and Sumerian civilizations predate Judaism.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Without a full definitions of your version and concept of god, I can quiet exactly point out difference's, can I?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Let's not impart impossible task's on one another.
Originally posted by Prot0n
There are opinion's, not fact's.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I'm not saying you are or not. Where would you get such an idea?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Why does John feel the need to rewrite Genesis? There is no such statement made in Genesis, nor anything that would imply something like this. John's gospel being a Chrsitian invention.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If you want to take thing's out of context, as you appear to enjoy doing.
"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4)
The Lord is ONE, this statement doesn't match up at all with Jesus and god being one.
Sorry took so long to reply... Had thing's to attend to.
Originally posted by DirtyBoots
hey religious guys: somethign I never understood from bible school...where did cain's wife come from if he didn't pick her up from inside the garden? just wondering:shk:
The assumption here is that it is Peter's opinion. Did you hear what he said? And it's not just him.
Plenty. How many have I proven? One (which you argue but another agrees is acceptable). Again, not my job to prove facts.
Older than God? Older than the oral tradition of Adam and Eve? Really...
This isn't really a compelling statement against what I've said. You said there was no prophesy about a virgin birth. I showed you there was. Now you want to play a game with semantics again? Let the jury decide.
Aha! Thanks for getting off the "Mary" boat. Also, thanks for acknowledging that Jesus was supposedly the son of God (even this is slight progress from denying). Even though Christ was not from Joseph's biology, by heritage, he was Joseph heir, was he not? It was thought by many in that day that he was in fact son of Joseph, who was a decendant of David, yes? So, if he is not the Son of God, then he's the bio child of the Davidic lineage. If he's not, then he's the Son of God. Which is he to you?
I see. And you were there so you can tell me all about it, right?
See my question regarding Davidic vs. Son of God.
To say "this does little" is also to say something was done. The glass is half empty, the glass is half full. Apologizes for being positively aligned.
The it would be acceptable to say some other religions claim that their god is as old as God, but not older, yes?
Stop assuming I have no historical background nor interest. It is an incorrect assumption. This is why I say "you overestimate yourself". Shave the ego and let's talk.
Compare the two. It is a mystery resolved. Who is the "we" in Genesis when God says that "we" should make man in "our" likeness?
By reading the book of John, it gives perhaps the best explaination of how "I and my father are one". There are many, many verses that explain how this is much better than I could in my own words. Quoting them all would be much to the annoyance of those present here.