Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

a reply to: stevieray

I never said anyone was wrong, unless they were wrong.
Another accusation you cant provide evidence for. your argument is getting weaker but your ignorance is strong, I'm sure it will sustain you to the end.
And it hasn't been everyone, its just you and one other. some have almost got caught up in the fervor but turned out to be rational.

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a reply to: burntheships

Children are not terrorists. They might be victims of their own parents and culture but you’re gonna have to try harder if you want me to advocate for the killing of kids.

Get an effing grip of yourself.

a reply to: Whatchful

How brave the posters on here are. Calling for the murder of children to appease their perceived injustice. Might I add most of whom are thousands of miles away from the conflict and totally dependent on the media to form a basis for their opinions. The same media they spend thread after thread being critical of and declaring their total distrust of.

a reply to: datguy

Look: what you do here is nothing but whataboutism.
If someone right now attacks you with a weapon you are allowed to defend yourself.

That is what is happening.
None of your whatabout the Palestinian people really matters, because nobody is targeting the civilians, but they try to root out Hamas. Where's fire there are sparks.
but the blame for this escalation is with Hamas. They attacked. It is still in the middle of a defence situation for the targets, Israel.
And all deads resulting from this are on the attackers of this current round of violence: Hamas.

Everything else is not just, and while the situation is not resolved also not the issue of the moment.
Think for a second before you double down 'showing those fascists' what a good person you are with your superior morals, because you're misguided.

originally posted by: carewemust
How peace was kept from 2017 through 2020.

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Unfortunately, Americans decided against maintaining world peace, in November of 2020.

There is more money in conflict and war

Hamas leaders are granting media interviews.

Intelligence and the military know where they are 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Every day Israel lets them live, is a day they are endorsing what Hamas leaders have done, and what they will do.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: carewemust
How peace was kept from 2017 through 2020.

gettr.com...

Unfortunately, Americans decided against maintaining world peace, in November of 2020.

There is more money in conflict and war

Choosing money means the leaders are not outraged over the bodies being displayed, children being murdered etc..

a reply to: yuppa

the generations of people who lived off the land, in that region, before the french and british colonists, would disagree with you, regardless of what people call them.

The land was settled prior to WWI and was ceded by the ottoman empire along with lands like what is now ukraine.

The league of nations "mandate of Palestine" signed in 1918 would also disagree with you. the british made a deal with the arabs to turn against the ottomans and in the end betrayed the arabs and divided the land amongst itself and france.

So at least going back 100+ years Palestine did indeed exist

a reply to: stevieray

There nothing embarrassing about calling for restraint and diplomacy in a conflict which is causing the death of innocent people on both sides.

You should be embarrassed, not only because you can’t form sentences or paragraphs properly but because of the simplistic and divisive content.

Not taking sides in a war, not calling for death and destruction, wanting balance and reasonable discussion is far from embarrassing. If only you could digest my words without blind rage overcoming everything because I won’t advocate for bombing civilians or take sides. I’m on the side of the innocent people dying on both sides, I totally condemn those causing those deaths.

You’re right about one thing, I won’t bow down to pressure or the popular opinion and have the conviction to stand behind my position. Even if your ego won’t allow others to disagree, without resorting to childish ridicule and appealing to the lynch mob.

a reply to: datguy

How far back do you want to go?
Is the US giving the country back to the Natives or is there some line, maybe only what happened the last 50 years, or how is that?

a reply to: carewemust

Do the Palestinian people have a real alternative to Hamas, if so who? Also, are the elections even recognised by Israel? If not then what representation do they have in the Knesset and what facility do they have in the national elections?

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Great post! This could use some more visibility. Asking the right questions: "Does the US/NATO stand by their support of Israel? Allow them to do what the Ukrainians have done to defend themselves?"

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
The more I’ve read about this, the more I could see this being Israel’s 9/11. The IDF and Mossad are very capable. I have a bit of a hard time buying that they completely whiffed identifying this attack - particularly since it appears highly coordinated.

People will nitpick any footage, especially when they have an ulterior racial agenda. Has it occurred that Hamas may not have yet slapped on handcuffs on their hostages while they were escorting them to vehicles? Any anatomist worth their salt would tell them that the cut on the poor woman was real from just a glimpse. The nighttime explosion is not noteworthy, even when observed from a distance and various angles, the narrative explicitly mentions "multiple explosions".

My two cents: This is real, and it has to happen. It's one of the last warning signs people will be given before they're all unmasked by the final world war. Whether it was Hamas or Israel does not really matter.

"If, as you say, Germany began it by an act of unexampled aggression, what of that?"

"The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that?"

It has served to illustrate how many supporters of Palestine lack actual sympathy for the people when the moment comes, how westerners mainly oppose war because they are afraid of war, not because they cherish true, lasting peace.

My only contribution to this discussion will be a September 1959 letter to Ben Gurion from Dag Hammarskjold:

You are convinced that a threat of retaliation has a deterrent effect. I am convinced that it is more of an incitement to individual members of the Arab forces that even what has been said by their own governments. You are convinced that acts of retaliation will stop further incidents. I am convinced they will lead to further incidents. You believe that this way of creating respect for Israel will pave the way for sound co-existence with the Arab peoples. I believe that the policy may postpone indefinitely the time for such co-existence.

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a reply to: Grenade

I never said they were, don't put words in my mouth
that serve the purpose of fanning the flames.

Read my post again, I said the children are oppressed
by their own people. Your intent just became crystal clear.

originally posted by: burntheships
Anyone who even dares to criticize the terrorist leaders,
the extremist leaders are called " Zionist Sympathizers ",
ostracized, beaten, and even murdered.

The way they treat their own children and women
is barbaric. They don't even have a chance of being
valued let alone have a voice.

a reply to: Peeple

While i agree with most of what you said, i never really agreed with the term "whataboutism". This, to me, is a way for people to ignore certain truths that are entirely relevant to "the moment".
History, religion, politics, family....its all so intricately intertwined that sometimes it is easier to rationalize certain elements of "the moment" by ignoring others.

I never said people dont have the right to defend themselves, any people, that applies to everyone, even the ones you dont agree with.

Its all cause/effect, in this case, is this the cause or the effect? in either case it will only keep the cycle going.

Im sorry you think pointing out the reality of the situation is misguided and my actions have nothing to do with "those fascists".
It has everything to do with the truth. I will double down on the truth every time! even it is uncomfortable

originally posted by: datguy



The land was settled prior to WWI and was ceded by the ottoman empire along with lands like what is now ukraine.

The league of nations "mandate of Palestine" signed in 1918 would also disagree with you. the british made a deal with the arabs to turn against the ottomans and in the end betrayed the arabs and divided the land amongst itself and france.

So at least going back 100+ years Palestine did indeed exist

We the Brit's won that land took it from the Turk then our Lord Balfour gave it to the Jews. That's why the Jews have the land now. We won it fair and square in war and gave it to the Jews. Live with it.

a reply to: Peeple

lets make it easier
In the context of the statement you responded to, Palestine declared itself an independent state, November 15th 1988

a reply to: Peeple

You know guys, I still trying to figure out what is the desirable goal of going against Israel in what is called "audacious" attack, is not doubt in my mind that is political.

Then again Hamas, is they are really the ones in charge of all this, have to be very confident that is worth the dead of civilians in both side and they do not care.

They do not care for the people in Palestine at all, that include children.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

the "green line" was the division of the land that was given equally to the jews and the arabs

a reply to: datguy

No. Because the thread title clearly states 'Rockets fired at Israel' which clearly indicates the topic is this conflict.

We sure can talk about how we got here, but an antagonistic Free Palestine when it is the Palestinian organization Hamas openly attacking Israel is not really discussing the finer points of the history of the conflict, is it?

Have you suggested any actual viable solution or do you just repeat the 100% Hamas position of 'all Jews must die'?
Nobody in this thread knows.