United States One Dollar Bill

So senrak do you feel that things got out of hand even for the masons?
And one more question, what in your view is "a fraternity" and how is masonry not a cult if it includes secret ceremonies and such?

Originally posted by nukunuku
So senrak do you feel that things got out of hand even for the masons?
And one more question, what in your view is "a fraternity" and how is masonry not a cult if it includes secret ceremonies and such?

That's the whole point. Sure we consider our initiatory ceremonies to be secret (however several of them are available on the web and in so-called Expose's) That's part of the mistique of Masonry. What's taught in those ceremonies isn't EVIL just because it's SECRET. That's what people seem to misunderstand....they assume "Secret" must be "nefarious" It isn't The lessons taught in Masonry are beautiful.

A cult tends to be a fanatical group...usually in the form of a religion. Masonry is NOT a religion. It requires a man to believe in God but let's him have an open mind and a free will to believe whatever he wants about God. In otherwords...it's between him and God....and none of the Fraternity's business.

Haters of Masonry cannot grasp this. Particularly religious fundamentalists (who in my opinion fit the description of a cult more than Masonry ever does...)

A fraternity by definition is a brotherhood. Masons have a deep respect for one another...but when one of our members does wrong...he's reprimanded. If it's something REALLY wrong he should be brought up on Masonic charges and suspended or expelled.

We're simply NOT the power-wielding force that these hate-mongers are saying we are. We're actually a pretty decent bunch of guys....

Regards

Originally posted by intrepid
Say "Hi" to MM for me as he doesn't want to talk to me any longer.

Sorry "I," it's just that I'm one busy monkey, cutbacks at the lab have me getting ALL the experiments... I feel like a pincushion that's getting the deluxe alien abduction treatment... But it's a living.

Tell you what, I'll give you a Top Secret login for my web cam... All poo flinging, all the time!

All Access Monkeys, not just for 24/7 anymore...

p.s. Hope that "BANNED" bug clears up, hate to think one of Canada's finest should succumb. Power to the Pineapple!

Originally posted by Souljah
Ok, let me enlighten you.

I can hardly wait.

You are claiming to be a FreeMason,

Are you saying I'm lying? I've been a Freemason for 15 years. Initiated an Entered Apprentice, Passed to the Degree of Fellowcraft and raised to the sublime Degree of Master Mason in Sept, Oct and Nov 1989, respectively.

Received the degrees of the so-called York Rite (from Mark Master to Knight Templar, inclusive) over a period of several weeks in 1990.

Received the 4th - 32nd Degrees of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite in June 1991.

Invested with the Rank and Dignity of a Knight Commander of the Court of Honor in 2001 at the 200th anniversary of the Scottish Rite in Charleston SC.

Also a Shriner, member of the Knight Masons, the Allied Masonic Degrees and some other stuff....

which was never part of Illuminati whatsoever.

A "part" of it....in otherwords officially sanctioned by it, connected to it officially. No. Some members of the Illuminati also Masons? Likely so. I'm a member of the Knights of Pythias and the I.O.O.F. but they're not a PART of Masonry....I just happen to belong to both

First, Masonary is "old":

Yep.

“Masonry is regarded as the direct descendant, or as a survival of the mysteries... of Isis and Osiris in Egypt...”
- Robert Freke Gould, Past Senior Grand Deacon of England, Master of Quatuor Coronati Lodge No. 2076, Vol. 1, p. 13, History of Freemasonry;

"Regarded" By whom? Gould? He was entitled to his opinion...but there's no documentation (i.e. PROOF) that this is true. Many would like it to be true, but it's conjecture.

Second, it has to do with the Wicked, the Occult:

You've said two different things here. Wicked = evil, bad. Occult (get a dictionary and look it up...) by definition is something "hidden" or "concealed" granted you can hide or conceal evil, but NOT EVERYTHING hidden or concealed is evil or bad.

“When later he [the Mason] is given Light, it means really that he is taught the principles of occultism ...”
- Arthur H. Ward, Masonic symbolism and the Mystic Way, p. 149 - 150

the principals of something hidden or concealed....I'll accept that. Doesn't mean it's bad though.

Thirdly, it Was and still Is a Secret Society; based on oaths and secrets - a society with secrets:

Again, a true secret society doesn't even admit it exists...let alone publish names of members, meeting places and times etc...

Fourty; mister Albert Pike:

God rest his soul.

Are you one of those Masons that has come to this Level of Understanding the book? Or you actually never read it?

To be sure Pike by his own admission was about 50% writer 50% compiler (get an actual copy of the book...they're plentiful...and read his preface. That's also where he said that ANYONE was free to reject anything he found therein to be unsound or untrue.

And, yes. I HAVE read it...and re-read it. I own several copies including an original 1871 deep-purple edition with gilt edges that is inscribed by Pike himself to a Brother in Georgia. Quite a rare and valuable volume.

The copy I utilize is a newer edition that I've made numerous notes and high-lights in. Fascinating work indeed.

Ok, lets move on. Back to the General.

Freemasonry, that is to say Organized Freemasonry practices the big lie technique. More to the point organized Freemasonry has perfected the big lie technique. They term this doublespeak ' diverting the discourse'. In regard to Confederate general, slaver, British spy, convicted Confederate war criminal, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33rd Degree, Ku Klux Klan ritual designer, Ku Klux Klan Chief Judicial Officer and Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon it is necessary to add some superlatives on to the term 'divert the discourse', because that opaque term doesn't nearly come close to describing the effort and tactics it has and is employing to cover-up, obscure, deflect, and divert about Pike's leading roll in the KKK's creation.

[sigh] Again, there is NO conclusive evidence that Pike was even a MEMBER of the Klan. It's possible...but it's never been proven. The KKK ritual sure is pretty poorly written though (I have copies of all 4 degrees of it) and Pike's writing style was much better than that.

But I already know you are going to Deny that, beause it is in your nature to be Anti-Something:

Yes. I'm anti-lies and anti-untruth and anti-unsubstantiated claims. Shouldn't EVERYONE be? Or do you prefer to continue to spread untruth?

All those who write critically of Freemasonry are anti's and all anti's are frauds, liars, zealots, or extremists and cannot be accepted. Therefore there is no such thing as a legitimate work criticizing Freemasonry because by it's very nature it must be 'anti' and organized Freemasonry will accept no references from 'anti's' in any debate or discussion of Freemasonry.

[sigh] Whatever you want to think....

And the missing link between Masonary & Illuminati comes from Bavaria.

So does that really good chocolate & cherry cake.

A short-lived movement of republican freethinkers, the most radical offshoot of the Enlightenment -to whose adherents the name Illuminati was given (but who called themselves "Perfectibilists")- was founded on May 1, 1776 by the ex-Jesuit Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830), professor of canon law, and Baron Adolph von Knigge, in Ingolstadt, Bavaria (now Germany). The group has also been called the Illuminati Order, the Order of the Illuminati, and the Bavarian Illuminati.

True...but I'd think most of those guys from 1776 are dead, wouldn't you???

Now we see the number 1776 here as an important date - the founding of an Illuminati - the same number also appears on the 1 Dollar Bill,

Uhm...if you remember American History something PRETTY DARNED important than that ALSO happened in 1776....and I'm reasonably sure THAT'S why it's on the bill...and not because the Illuminati were founded then....

that was the Primar Topic of this thread; confirming that Masons and Illuminati are connected in this and that they founded a new country togather, a young empire, that will be the Main Force of the Illuminati in their New World Order.

How does that "confirm" anything? Your logic here fails me..... I see no PROOF...just more conjecture and speculation...

Several sources suggest that the Bavarian Illuminati survived, and perhaps even exist today. Conspiracy theorists highlight the link between the Illuminati and Freemasonry. It is also suggested that the United States' founding fathers – some being Freemasons – were rife with corruption from the Illuminati. Often the symbol of the all-seeing pyramid in the Great Seal of the United States is cited as an example of the Illuminati's ever-present watchful eye over Americans.

"Several sources suggest" They SUGGEST....they don't seem to confirm and that's what *I* want. PROOF PROOF PROOF We can speculate all day and we can blindly believe whatever someone bothers to write down as being true....I prefer PROOF

More recently, Antony C. Sutton suggested that the secret society Skull and Bones was founded as the American branch of the Illuminati.

Oh for Christ's sake. it's a college fraternity. A bunch of guys picking up olives with their butt-cheeks and doing panty-raids on the sorority houses. Give me a break.

Others think Scroll and Key has Illuminati origins, as well. Robert Gillete has claimed that these Illuminati ultimately intend to establish a world government through assassination, bribery, blackmail, the control of banks and other financial powers, the infiltration of governments, and by causing wars and revolution to move their own people into higher positions in the political hierarchy.

Operative word "claimed" Ol' Bob should offer some PROOF

And here we come to the term New World Order.

Which is NOT what the dollar bill says, but anyway...

OK, it can be seen also as the separation from the British Empire;

Which I view as a good thing. No offence to Britain of course....

but I think there is also another meaning, as it is another meaning to the number 13 appearing all over the One Dollar Bill.

Right. It means that the were 13 colonies and the dollar bill was designed in commemoration of that. If there'd been 11 colonies...the number would be eleven and there's be eleven stripes on the flag. How difficult is that to understand?

The term New World Order refers to a belief or conspiracy theory among apocalyptic religious and various political groups, especially in the United States, that some powerful secret group has created a secret plan, known as the New World Order (NWO), to rule the world via a world government. The belief may stem – at least partly – from the phrase New World Order, which has been used in politics for much of the Twentieth Century.

"apocalyptic religious . . . groups" i.e. fanatics and fruitcakes.

So, on the One Dollar Bill we now have more connections between the Illuminati, the Masons and the NWO. The lost Illuminati from Bavaria found refugee in newly separated colonies of America, and their founding fathers.

I say we have several symbols of freedom and the founding of this great country but if you want to think it's a conspiracy, go ahead. I still fail to see what it PROVES. What does having these symbols DO? Is it a form of "communication" between these groups? Is it a heavily guarded secret? If so they've failed because you seem to know about it. Better be careful...they might come get you. Necros got his toilet vandalized over such knowledge.

In 1992, Dr John Coleman published Conspirators Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the New World Order agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows:

Paranoia runs rampant....

"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population.

There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live; those who are rebellious will simply be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited."

Sounds like the basis of a good movie with a snappy title....Mad Max! Yeah!

Here is one more Sign, how Freemasons control America.

The Statue of Liberty

Exactly. How DARE anyone put up a symbol of liberty and freedom! The cads!

Honestly though, i didn't know that was a sign of how Freemasons control America. Interesting (and bizarre)

-- A Masonic Goddess from Top to Bottom

Wow. I didn't know we had a Goddess. I wish we had a prettier one though...she's not all that attractive.

One of the many proofs of Freemasonry's cult of liberty, and furthermore of its deep influence upon our culture and mentality, is the Statue of Liberty. This colossus in New York's harbor was conceived by Freemasons, financed by Freemasons, built by Freemasons, and installed by Freemasons in a Freemasonic ceremony.

The Cult of Liberty in the eighteenth century is intimately associated with Freemasonry. The political and social goal of Freemasonry was and still is to "free" man from the "tyranny" of the Catholic Church and from any civil authority which does not claim to be democratic. By definition, a church or a regime is tyrannical for the Freemason if it seeks to make dogmas or to rule without the consent of the governed.

Boy! We can't have all that liberty running around can we? We must stop Liberty at all costs. What an evil concept. Liberty. Hmmmph!

The Cult of Liberty has always been a favorite of the Freemasons. The liberty they seek is not the legitimate and due liberty from the burdensome constraints of socialistic governments, which a citizen may rightfully desire, but rather freedom from the authority of God, the "freedom" of the devil, the liberty of perdition, as Saint Augustine called it. They desire not the liberty of the sons of God, but the "liberty" which makes us slaves to sin.

That's strange...wonder why we require a believe in GOD? Curiouser and curiouser...

Isnt it obious that the United States were founded by Freemasons and the Illuminati to increase their power and control over the world; spreading "liberty" and "freedom" among the people, who really do not desire it.

You prefer oppression? Repression? Slavery? Strange...I always thought Freedom and Liberty were GOOD things. If you think they're bad, we're probably beginning to understand what's wrong with you.

They are in Charge of this Game. They are the All Seeing Eye at the top - they are the Big Brother - they are the Master of Puppets. And they are so high, because there are so many little people that work for them, that give them money - the 13 rows of building blocks of the pyramid, represents the common people on which the entire Empire is built. Who is their God? You think that these Elite Men give a damn about Freedom and Liberty? Their God is Money - and that is what they Trust In.

[sigh] You, like Akilles have obviously got an unchangeable hatred for Freemasonry which you do not and will not understand. Feel free to think that way....but the more lies you spread about it...the more Masons like me, like Sebatwerk and others here will defend it.

Originally posted by nukunuku
But masonry isnt about good/bad, its about power and control, and you want both so badly, you can consider it your desease. That is one reason people want to join your cult, other is a need to belong to something, like most people have.

If masons join to get power, why havent I received any power yet? Because I'm a "low-level" mason? Well then, why hasn't Senrak received any power yet?

Would you care to please tell us where you get you information? No big deal, just tell us where you have seen proof that people become masons because they want power.