Military Coup underway in Venezuela

a reply to: Ohanka

Do you have any sources on your claims? I'm not trying to be rude, but that sounds like speculation.

So we have the Iranian economy collapsing ,Venezuela in chaos and Trump threatening Cuba ... Could this be it ?

Is Maduro the only dictator on the North/Central/South American continents?

originally posted by: trustmeimdoctor
a reply to: Ohanka

Do you have any sources on your claims? I'm not trying to be rude, but that sounds like speculation.

Sounds more like he is describing Maduro. Yeltsin and Maduro both dissolved the government to form an illegal one.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That's what I was thinking. I'm just confused. lol

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

It's just a nice example why the USA representatives should sometimes keep their mouth shut publically until it's time for action. If they wouldn't have made this big announcement before that they support Guaido maybe more of the Venezuelan military would have joined him.

Plus there would now be options to go in other than with a big force.

There still are options. Don't fall for the clickbait.

Leaders love theatre and processes, even if thousands or millions of citizens die in the process.

Save lives by taking out the leader who is responsible for the carnage. We've invested billions of dollars in so-called "hi-tech" at the CIA. Use it! We should be able to take Maduro out in the blink of an eye.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Thanks for the reminder.
I just wonder why Trump now threatens Cuba in connection to this? There's obviously a lot more going on than what we're told. Thanks to the tweeting president we at least get a glimpse.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The UK is a permanent UN security council member. I expect them to be the bastion of democracy and human rights while they bring this issue up to the UN.

In no time, the global community will act and make sure that those who have been wrong get righted.

I bet Disney will pick up that fairy tale.

The UK will do exactly what the US tells them to

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Troops are the third phase when the US wants to install a puppet dictator, the first two involve the CIA and businessmen, learn how the system works before speaking, put away your stick and start picking up books instead

says you

but by all means keep making crap up.....it doesn't make you look like the crazy person you are or anything.....

interesting you refuse to discuss the vote of the people or the assembly....
typical liberal anti american bs

What exactly am I making up? Have you studied history in detail, at all?

Imagine a guy that has "capitalism is Organized Crime" on hit avatar area being pro Chavez type of person. Seems amazing to me that there are actual adults that actually BELIEVE in socialism.

Disgusting.

If you need to tell yourself that I'm advocating socialsm, then you do that

Doubly disgusting

What are you advocating then? Do you have some magical third way? Bunch of if only's and what if's that the natural order of things would never allow and thus would never work? When will you folk learn what's really real and what isn't?

I am beginning to see that even these problems we have in the USA will never be "fixed" with communication and I am perfectly fine with that. I am prepared and getting prepared. Never thought I would have to, but you un closeted communist people are going for your hail Mary and I intend to boo from the stadium seats because I dearly and passionately want your team to lose. And not only to lose but to be completely humiliated so society at large never has to deal with the nonsense you and people like you propagate and push on the masses.

Your ideas only make people insane and they help no one.

I am not a communist either, if choose the choice of a defeatist then please do not say anything, uhm Fools

Well then? Explain why you have the notions you have. Seem pretty commie to me.

The way I see it when I look at the whole picture that has been brewing for awhile now is:
A proxy war between US and Russia is at stake. If Maduro remains; Russia stays knocking on our back door which our American government will not make it pleasant for Venezuela. If Maduro is ousted the Venezuelans have a chance at a better future providing they can get legitimate elections and free themselves from Russia and negotiate wise trade deals. Sad but true situation unfortunately.

This Time article is a good read:

time.com...

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Thanks for the reminder.
I just wonder why Trump now threatens Cuba in connection to this? There's obviously a lot more going on than what we're told. Thanks to the tweeting president we at least get a glimpse.

Cuban troops are being used since he cant trust the Venezuelan military. Trump's threat involves the Cuban military leaving Venezuela. Russia is trying to prop up Maduro any way they can.

a reply to: Onlyyouknow

We were told Trump is the Russian apologist, so how come the only ones to support Maduro and Russia are Democrats?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Yeah It must not be the starving people, it must be the oil!

The oil prices were what started the downward spiral of the Venezuelan economy, things were good when the prices were high.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onlyyouknow

We were told Trump is the Russian apologist, so how come the only ones to support Maduro and Russia are Democrats?

That is a gosh durn good question! ( I would cuss, I just don't feel like it right now) .

originally posted by: carewemust
Save lives by taking out the leader who is responsible for the carnage. We've invested billions of dollars in so-called "hi-tech" at the CIA. Use it! We should be able to take Maduro out in the blink of an eye.

Making him a martyr would only help his side, and in the same way Chavez had a replacement I'm sure there would be a fast replacement of Maduro.

originally posted by: Peeple
Thanks to the tweeting president we at least get a glimpse.

Or not, it's easy to say one thing while thinking the opposite.

a reply to: ArMaP

I disagree, I think the oil prices simply exposed problems with their oil industry that were coming due anyways. Their oil industry was improperly maintained due to corruption and making Chavez' and Maduro's friends rich rather than re-investing in the industry.

This post stems from a recent debate I had over the downfall of Venezuela's oil industry. The question was whether the country's oil production is falling as a result of sanctions or mismanagement. While I agree that sanctions have had an impact -- especially over the past year -- the root of Venezuela's problems go back 20 years.

www.forbes.com...

More ...

Between 1970 and 1985, oil production in Venezuela experienced a decline of over 50%. But then production there once again began to grow. In 1997, as it sought to attract foreign investment and develop the heavy oil in the Orinoco Belt, Venezuela opened up its oil industry to foreign investment.

By 1998, Venezuela's oil production had recovered to 3.5 million BPD, nearly reaching its former high. In 1999, Hugo Chávez began serving as President of Venezuela. During the Venezuelan general strike of 2002–2003, Chávez fired 19,000 employees of PDVSA and replaced them with employees loyal to his government.

In 2007 oil prices were rising, and the Chávez government sought more revenue as the investments made by the international oil companies began to pay off. Venezuela demanded changes to the agreements made by the international oil companies that would give PDVSA majority control of the projects.

ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips refused, and as a result, their assets were expropriated. (These expropriations were later ruled to be illegal, and compensation was granted to both companies).

I know socialist loving Democrats think this is the best thing ever, but who knew stealing private property would have disastrous consequences!

Interesting thread and real world events...

Venezuelan oil...


www2.bostonglobe.com...

Amid continuing economic turmoil, Venezuela skipped heating oil contributions to an energy assistance program based in Massachusetts for a second consecutive winter, imperiling the popular program.

The decision by Venezuela’s Citgo Petroleum Corp. to bow out of the program founded by Joseph P. Kennedy II, which has helped hundreds of thousands of US residents, coincides with plummeting oil prices and corresponding economic problems in oil-rich Venezuela.

Hopes of a late contribution to the ‘‘Joe-4-Oil’’ program — part of the nonprofit Citizens Energy Corp. — faded with spring’s arrival this week, Kennedy said.

Anything is better than Nicolás Maduro Moros I personally believe. While the people went hungry he went to Turkey for high end dining provided by the "Salt BAE"
www.businessinsider.com...

Venezuela's president feasted on expensive steak at a celebrity chef's restaurant on Monday, a scene made striking by the fact that millions of people back home are starving.

But hey.. A lot of you brought up great points in this this thread weather you're left or right...( I've been watching all day and certainly learned a thing or 2 )

And a few of you have.... well

a reply to: vinifalou

WHAT???... PEOPLE ARE STARVING AND BEING KILLED DAILY BY THE SOCIALIST DICTATORSHIP OF MADURO.... But you, and other leftists want to believe the dictator... Seriously what the hell is wrong with you?...