Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

a reply to: ctj83

With everything about RFI going through multiple revisions,
I'm not certain that there exists a single element of the
story that hasn't already been shifted to modern folklore.

a reply to: mirageman

No not just now. Info is out there and has been a long while. I just happen to mention it appears to be stuck in there someplace.

a reply to: ctj83

But apart from cults I don’t think it’s relavant it 
The RFI. Beyond binary code and I personally feel that should be moved to its own thread. 

You have mentioned this before, the binary is a mute no go subject on here. It is rarely discussed. But you suggest it gets it own thread. That is funny.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I thought you had solved the case Kev if memory serves me well ? But then you have said a lot of things.

a reply to: AdamE

In terms of the "Nine", I am still more interested in Dr Vinod...

They met again by chance on the train to New York on February 14, 1952. When Andrija apologized for not getting in touch with him, Dr. Vinod replied that destiny had brought them together at the proper time. Asked if he would be willing to come to Maine to participate in the telepathy experiments, Dr. Vinod expressed the desire to first meet Andrija again within two days in New York. At that time Dr. Vinod asked Andrija’s permission to hold his right ring finger at the middle joint with his right thumb and index finger. He said that he used this form of contact with a person to read his past and future. He did this for about one minute, whistling between his teeth as though he were trying to find a pitch. Then he leaned back, and for an hour told Andrija’s life story with utter precision. “His accuracy about the past was extraordinary,” according to Andrija.

It was to be ten months before Dr. Vinod would come to the Round Table. When he entered the great hall, a curious thing happened. Without saying a word or even taking off his overcoat, he walked straight to the library as if he had been there before. He sat down on a sofa and immediately went into a trance.
Then, at exactly 9 p.m., a deep sonorous voice came out of his mouth, totally unlike his own high-pitched, soft voice, saying in perfect English without an accent:

“M calling: We are Nine Principles and Forces, personalities if you will, working in complete mutual implication. We are forces, and the nature of our work is to accentuate the positive, the evolutional, and the teleological aspects of existence. By teleology I do not mean the teleology of human derivation in a multidimensional concept of existence. Teleology will be understood in terms of a different ontology. To be simple, we accentuate certain directions as will fulfill the destiny of creation. We propose to work with you in some essential respects with the relation of contradiction and contrariety. We shall negate and revise part of your work, by which I mean the work as presented by you. The point is that we want to begin altogether at a different dimension, though it is true that your work has itself led up to this. I deeply appreciate your dedicatedness to the great cause of peace, which is fulfillment of finitesimal existence. Peace is not warlessness. Peace is the integral fruitage of personality. We have designed to utiise you and thus to fulfill you. Peace is a process and will be revealed only progressively. You have it in plenty; I mean the patience that is so deeply needed in this magnificent adventure. But today, at the moment of our advent, the most eventful and spectacular phase of your work begins.

www.urigeller.com...

I can't decide if he actually existed or whether he was concocted as part of an elaborate plan...or perhaps both...the bit in bold, for me, suggests that there was at least a pandering to the audience going on, which did after all include a number of heiresses to arms manufacturing fortunes.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I solved the case to my own satisfaction 5 years ago.
Oh I haven't doted every i and crossed every T by
a long stretch. But enough for my satisfaction.

But that means nothing in UFOlogy.

Everybody always has their favorite theory, hooked deeply
into their personal psychology, that they won't let go of.

It's impossible to convince anyone of anything.

So I just go with the flow, to see what I can learn,
that I didn't know.

For example, I knew nothing about MKultra,
project palladium, etc. when i came to ATS.

I give a deep bow to MM and others.

In this case, that changed nothing.

In other cases?

Say Shag Harbor?

That may well have been one of the last
nuclear-powered plane tests.

Benny and Barney hill? That was mostly
MK Ultra.

Really.. there are so few "genuine", "Phenomenon-related"
bits of stuff in UFOlogy, that it's better to just study
parapsychology and not UFOlogy, if that's what one
wants to do.

UFOlogy was not a waste of my time, thankfully..
it's been very educational.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hi Kev thanks for taking the time on this one.

Rendlesham is a mixed bag but there is more to come still. I do understand what you say for sure. Ufology in general is very educational you can say that again. I smile as I type this. Am sure you understand.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I'd never properly understood psychological manipulation until
got involved with UFOlogy.

Oh, there's tons of psychological manipulation in spirituality
too, where I started out... but it's easier to see in UFOlogy..
and of course self-delusion.. that's the very heart of spirituality,
but in spirituality, people can hide behind big name traditions,
say Buddhism or Christianity, and they will seldom expose
just how deeply disturbed they are.

But come to the ATS UFO forum, and it's plain how deeply
disturbed so many people are.. and better still.. you can
often trace back to the origin of the psychological
manipulation.

Why.. if I were conspiratorially inclined, i'd propose that some
people here on ATS are here to study the PEOPLE not the
cases. *cough*

After a while you learn, that really there are no cases..
there are ONLY people (reports).

Oh sure.. there is the 'phenomenon', the unconscious mind
and what it's linked to.. but that's just a 'person' too..
just a different kind of person.

Kev

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

Rendlesham is a mixed bag but there is more to come still.

Gizza clue, Baa. Goooo onnnn, you know you want to...

Ufology in general is very educational you can say that again. I smile as I type this.

Oh, it's fascinating - more as a study of human psychology if nothing else substantial, especially in the case of the RFI.

Sometimes the RFI crumbles to dust when I hear folks like Lt Buran (in charge of Penniston & Co) laughing off the First Night as incident-free nonsense; and regarding the Third Night, a subsequent Base Commander rendering Halt "a twit" who's trying to make a name for himself.

Could it really be THAT simple? Blokes chasing naturally terrestrial and celestial lights? Well, yes, obviously. But not as much fun by half.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oh sure.. there is the 'phenomenon', the unconscious mind 
and what it's linked to.. but that's just a 'person' too.. 
just a different kind of person. 

I really like that bit. Otherwise Kev its crazy town out there.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

CB. There is more to this Buran caper. But what?...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Sometimes the RFI crumbles to dust when I hear folks like Lt Buran (in charge of Penniston & Co) laughing off the First Night as incident-free nonsense; and regarding the Third Night, a subsequent Base Commander rendering Halt "a twit" who's trying to make a name for himself. Could it really be THAT simple? Blokes chasing naturally terrestrial and celestial lights? Well, yes, obviously. But not as much fun by half.

Maybe if you take the Ian Ridpath approach to investigating.

This explanation is also an insult to those involved, imo.

a reply to: AdamE


www.ianridpath.com...

originally posted by: AdamE

Maybe if you take the Ian Ridpath approach to investigating.

Ridpath is EXTREMELY persuasive in his 'clean', rather simplistic approach, but, as Cohen pointed out, he's also prone to a bit of smoke and mirror tactics to substantiate his own theories.

This explanation is also an insult to those involved, imo.

If it wasn't for the post-4am events on the Third Night (after the end of Halt's tape), then Ridpath's theory is reasonably water-tight, but of course he'd never touch those later events since he'd never venture outside the original official paperwork, statements and tape, preferring to ignore subsequent radio interviews, TV documentaries or statements in books by personnel, whichever night they refer to.

Which is a formal, rather dry approach. However, as Cohen said, Ridpath DID gather nuggets of info from newer testimony (eg Halt's later comments) if they appeared to bolster his explanation. The cheeky monkeh.

I'm just awaiting the new info that Baa is hinting at.

Let me say this.

In shamanism, the way that a 'shaman' often gets the ball rolling with the
'phenomenon', if it wants to play at all.. which it doesn't always want
to play..

is to FAKE SOMETHING. Then the unconscious mind of the audience gets
'primed' and it is in fact the AUDIENCE, more than the 'shaman' who
feeds the whole process.

Five years ago before coming to ATS, I was investigating the relationship
between the unconscious mind and effects such as "plasmas", as I had
personal experience with something similar.

Almost immediately I saw that all the government, MiC and other
fakery, was in fact acting like the "shamanic fakery catalyst' and
causing UFO-like effects.

If the government, etc. hadn't been faking UFOs from the very beginning
(I mean, Rosetta Ghost Rockets, the Roswell Fugo-2 balloon cover-up
and all that).. if it hadn't been for all that fakery.. the "Phenomenon"
wouldn't have been stirred up AS WELL.

This is what I learned maybe the first month I was on ATS.... it did take
a while to move away from my 'parasite' bias.. long story on that one..

The reason that I'm saying all this..

is that I have little doubt that some personnel at RFI DID experience
something anomalous..

but it was their own credulous personalities that created it... and it
wasn't all in their heads.. they created a "poltergeist".. or at the very
least SOME of them saw/felt something (JP for sure).

Who knows who saw what for sure? I don't.

Now.. was there EM/plasma testing in the region? Check. Was there
psychological ops stuff going on at various nuclear bases? Check.

Honestly, I don't know which of those factors were or were not at
play in RFI.

But it doesn't matter. This whole thing was an exercise in accidental
'shamanism' more than anything.

Kev

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Ian is no fly by night.

I would simply say in all of this, let nature take its course. It is the best way, imho.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

they created a "poltergeist"..

Now that is an interesting one.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I have little doubt that some personnel at RFI DID experience something anomalous... but it was their own credulous personalities that created it... and it wasn't all in their heads.. they created a "poltergeist".. or at the very
least SOME of them saw/felt something (JP for sure).

I'm warming to this theory. A curious element is that men on the third night witnessed an extremely similar pattern of lights to the first night - eg, Nevels' vivid description and personal confirmation that it mirrored Penniston and Burroughs' own anomaly - or 'poltergeist' if you like. Also of note is that Nevels and Burroughs both mention this particular pattern of lights disappearing as soon as they climbed the fence to the field, two nights apart.

However, as mentioned earlier, since Nevels' comments were not part of the 'official' paperwork from 1980/81, researchers like Ridpath will refuse to integrate them into the overall picture. Indeed, as we know, Ridpath's theory does indeed INFURIATE the personnel involved in the RFI, but I can't discount NOR accept his work outright - it just sits on a back-burner for future usefulness and reference.