Aziz Ansari responds to sexual assault allegation: 'I was surprised and concerned'

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: DupontDeux

originally posted by: fiverx313


well, i read her story. it sounded pretty clear to me that she was trying to dial things down and he kept trying to dial them back up.

Well I read her story too on the site that ran the exclusive, and I agree with you, she definitely tried to do just that, and he definitely tried to dial them back up. I completely agree.

However - and this is what complicates the picture a bit - according to herself, after she started giving of non-verbal cues to dial things down, she performed oral on him.

Twice.

You know a good way to dial it all to a stop is to say "I'm sorry, I'm leaving" and then leave... then do not have a second date.... BTW I did a lot of dating in my younger years and I would say that finding a woman willing to give a blowjob on the first date would have been rather rare.... just saying...lol

I don't think I've ever been on a first date where something didn't happen.

Maybe I'm young?

Maybe, but I'm saying I haven't seen a woman that gives a blowjob to just get it over with because they do not want to do anything...

originally posted by: rockdisjoint2
It's funny how leftist give him a pass for being a rapist. If he was a white guy his life would be over by now.

There is definitely an undercurrent of racism in most of the accusations being tossed around right now.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
Honestly, I think all women should just carry guns in their purse, and allow the gun to say no if they are feeling pressured. Unable to muster the words? Just pull out your pistol, and it will be quite clear, "not tonight".

I am in good confidence that will end any ambiguity or confusion on the matter. Or just grab your taser whatever. Woman have purses, I don't see why more of you ladies don't carry some kind of weapon in there. Naked force solves more conflicts in history than dialogue.

And be prepared to shoot him in the shoulder.

Some idiots just don't seem to get it.

I don't know who this guy is but just heard about it. She gave him her contact info while she was on a date with another guy?

She sounds like a ditz.

He's even worse.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

There is definitely an undercurrent of racism in most of the accusations being tossed around right now.

It seems like the left created all this and then pony up a few actors and a couple of politicians that didn't mean anything and then now they will say its the right's turn to give up Trump...lol

originally posted by: Xtrozero
It seems like the left created all this and then pony up a few actors and a couple of politicians that didn't mean anything and then they now they will say its the right's turn to give up Trump...lol

I'm not sure what the motivation is. I suppose to get Trump, even though it has been tried and failed. But considering the number of TV and movie people accused, you gotta wonder why there haven't been a lot more pro football or pro basketball players accused. Oh, well, I guess nobody wants to interrupt the playoffs.

There do exist situations when you are attracted to the person but as the romancing moments continue you become less interested in actual sex. Either the guys too, you know, or drunk, or smelly or ..... It is perfectly fine to move away physically, but speak up and get out. Didn't sound like she did any of the above but have regret. It happens. Move on but don't just blame the guy-it usually takes two.

Too many women always blame the man for bad sex or the sex at all. We really need to start training our offspring about communicating with one another in respectful ways.

BUT< no excuses for the rapers or the mutes.

a reply to: toysforadults

Sorry. Not a female but the details of the story are more clear than most times. Thanks to her, amazingly.

She gave the guy her number while out with another man.
They text back and forth before going out on a date.
They go on the date and then back to his place.
They get naked.
She performs oral sex on him twice in between "non-verbal cues" that she's not interested. Huh?
When she verbalizes she's not interested, he backs off.
She let's him know the next day she felt pressured.
He apologized.
The guy is now in the same category as Harvey Weinstein.
She assumes victimhood, talk show deal to follow.
The ATS Virtue Signalling Team swings into action. Nausea ensues.

Sounds like they both needed to communicate better. I am terrible at non-verbal cues. He might be too, who knows. He might not and just pushed her a little too much. For all the regurgitation in her account, one would think she has no problems verbalizing what's going on in her head.

the details of the story are more clear than most times.

a reply to: ABNARTY

Honestly, I thought the details read like pseudo porn. It was in very poor taste. And made the article seem even more of a joke than it would have otherwise.

I don’t really see Aziz being lumped in with W. The opposite seems to be occurring. If she is lucky, and he isn’t a douche, he won’t give up her real identity. That would be a mess for her.

a reply to: chelsdh

With regards to the lumping, I was talking more in the public sphere. How people in general will judge him. Sexual malfeasance and from Hollywood? Pigeon hole 'em.

I found it hard to reconcile her ability to articulate quite clearly her recollection of the evening and her inability to articulate "no" sooner in the...er...actual proceedings. Granted it's two different settings. Just my take.

a reply to: eNumbra

She's Not A victim. You don't get to go to a guy's apartment take off your clothes, perform sex acts on him, say you don't want to have intercourse to which he complies, then say you're the victim for doing the things you DID choose to do.

Jaden

a reply to: Justso

We really need to start training our offspring about communicating with one another in respectful ways.

I don't think this happened with the last generation. To many parents take school to seriously and school takes career's to seriously to discuss social topics like this and get everyone open and talking about it together at a young age.

Do parents teach anymore or do they just let their kids figure it out from day one? Has tolerance lead us to a place where we can no longer assert lessons to our kids?

Our school system needs a total overhaul.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: toysforadults

Also, "I felt pressured" isn't the same as, "I had no choice" to me. If you felt pressured and didn't put your foot down then who's really at fault?.

The person applying the pressure is still at fault.

WHAT?!?!?

Are you actually trying to be serious?

Sounds to me like woman is starstruck/smitten, doesn't want to disappoint the guy, and then the next day regrets not using her STRONG WOMAN voice to #shoutyourabortion etc etc

And so now she tries to jump on the bandwagon and say he somehow assaulted her by not having self-doubt and reading her "non verbal" cues.

I mean seriously f**k right off with this nonsense immediately please! Men can never win with this ridiculous cake-and-eat-it too. In my experience women want to be with a confident guy, they are very put-off by guys who can't muster up courage to do anything; I mean look how crazy everyone went for 50shades of Grey..... But then a guy is confident, makes a play and suddenly he's oozing toxic masculinity, and you're a sexual assaulter.

Jesus, no wonder the MGTOWs would rather look at porn and play video games, a least that way they can win at something.

This is seriously why 20-something's think that asking a girl out for a drink, or complimenting her is "harassment" (yes really, look it up). About 10years ago I saw this just starting and I made a joke about pretty soon talking to a girl at a bar will be considered harrasment. Holy shlit it's actually come true...


I'll tell you what, this whole thing is backfiring on the feminist movement faster than anyone imagined. Men are fed up of being told we're everything awful and then some, and guess what men still control the dynamic of pretty much everything in the world. If it keeps going like this men will just close ranks again and we're back to 1900 in a flash.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: toysforadults

Also, "I felt pressured" isn't the same as, "I had no choice" to me. If you felt pressured and didn't put your foot down then who's really at fault?.

The person applying the pressure is still at fault.

WHAT?!?!?

Are you actually trying to be serious?

Are you?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: eNumbra

Perhaps you should be more clear and take your own advise.

Like this person probably wasn't a victim and it wasn't a gray area.

I mean do we all just start blaming the world for own bad choices? Jesus..it's pretty clear. Don't be so star struck you can't control yourself in the situation and hope body language which obviously wasn't forceful enough to push someone away is really an argument.

Just because you think the world is black and white doesn’t mean I’m not being clear. You can make bad choices and still end up a victim.

a reply to: toysforadults

Rather like you at once asking for comment from AND indicating your total lack of willingness to hear commentary from the female element within the site, leave alone the more left leaning members of the female part of the membership, you have expressed, in your sarcastic and clearly defensive attitude, absolutely no intention to actually take on board anything I have to say to you either.

Perhaps the best advice I have for you therefore, is to learn to only ask for that which you actually are prepared to absorb. I say this of course, with the full understanding that you have not the slightest intention of taking it on board, but at least I tried.

a reply to: toysforadults

Some lawyer is missing the boat by not coming up with an app that lets both parties sign consent before sex, so the courts are not filled with these remorse sex cases.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
Some lawyer is missing the boat by not coming up with an app that lets both parties sign consent before sex, so the courts are not filled with these remorse sex cases.

It would never hold up in court. Not that these cases actually make it to court.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
I mean seriously f**k right off with this nonsense immediately please! Men can never win with this ridiculous cake-and-eat-it too. In my experience women want to be with a confident guy, they are very put-off by guys who can't muster up courage to do anything; I mean look how crazy everyone went for 50shades of Grey..... But then a guy is confident, makes a play and suddenly he's oozing toxic masculinity, and you're a sexual assaulter.

Jesus, no wonder the MGTOWs would rather look at porn and play video games, a least that way they can win at something.

Perhaps the idea of comparing consensual sexual activity to MGTOW's winning something provides somewhat of an insight into your underlying problem?

Likewise your fascination with the existence of people who watch films based on written fantasy and actual real-world behaviour.

I assume given you talk about video games, that the fact that people play video games like GTAV doesn't necessarily mean those enjoying such media actually also enjoy murdering random people, carjacking, and using orbital canons to decimate other people in the real-world.

Have a think about your perspective and its inherent problems and perhaps lay off the porn D:

a reply to: ABNARTY

Oh, got ya!

As other posters have mentioned, my impression is she felt bad about it the next day, and look where it went.

I got a call a few years ago from a friend that got wasted at a party, hooked up, and freaked the next day. She was aware enough to know they didn’t use protection- so I urged her to get tested and stay on birth control if she is going to do that. No judgement. A couple years later she referenced her “rape” and it threw me for a loop. I don’t consider that rape- hookup regret, maybe feeling promiscuous induced feelings of guilt. And so it’s “easy” to say it was non consensual and take responsibility off yourself? Can an equally drunk guy claim he was taken advantage of? If that’s the case- 2 drunk ass individuals, then whose “fault” is it? (I know that’s a little off topic, but it’s a little on topic as well.)

I never hooked up with a stranger, but I’ve done some dumb things which I regretted; however, I never thought to say “I was drunk, he took advantage of me”. That’s all this appears to be to me.