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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: ctj83
Very true and this sort of brings thing around full circle back to page 1 and former MUFON Director James Carrion's thoughts.
I think a lot of people in ufology may not like to hear, ... - there are folks that are in the field that call themselves ufologists, call themselves researchers, investigative journalists – whatever they want to call themselves, it doesn't really matter – but when their modus operandi is to perpetuate the mystery instead of solving it, we have a big issue. ... as long as these people are out there hawking their latest theories ...if you don't have a sincere interest in truth, if you're simply interested in making the rounds of the UFO talk circuit... you're part of the problem, not part of the solution....
...if you think you can dance with these intelligence agencies and they don't want you to dance with them, you're never gonna dance. ... I think there is a very interesting dance happening between ufology and the intelligence organizations that have more to do with what the goals of the intelligence agencies are than a cover up of extraterrestrial visitation....
... Skinwalker Ranch to me is interesting for a couple reasons. To me, the mythology – and I'll call it mythology because I don't think what's written in the book is accurate..
Why was it being built up? I think it had somewhat to do with the mythology surrounding Area 51. Somebody wants to continue that mythology. The same way that the mythology is continued around Dulce...
All I know is somebody is obfuscating what is really going on, and I don't think it has to do with protecting people's lives [concerning the lack of access and lack of transparency]. I think it's something else...
...if you go into this field with an open mind, you put aside your beliefs, you really look to see why there's so much noise surrounding this field. Pay attention to the noise. Pay attention to the characters that are in the field.
See : Page 1
I think we all know who the characters are. We don't need to name them. They make 90% of the noise.
None of them have got anywhere close to solving any UFO mystery and many of them tell blatant lies. The current status quo serves the needs of the MIC and provides an income flow for their stooges who spout this nonsense. That's it.
Where else in the world do we hear these crazy, stories from MJ12, battles with aliens on Mars, strange bits that fall off UFOs, how the aliens came here because they were annoyed at our nuclear weapons then decided to give the only nation that ever used them in anger even more super technology so they could create a secret space program and presumably nuke the bad aliens!!!!
You don't get many of these stories out of Oz or Japan or Europe do you?
Whatever the 'phenomenon' may well be then any real attempts to get to the truth are obscured by these people who do it for their own means. That's why they are determining how best to 'control the narrative'. But they've run out of decent writers.
From his self-closed Follow the Magic blog Feb 3, 2011 7:32 PM (no link because it's gone)
I have written before about the coming war between the Intelligence Agencies and Ufology and a series of recent events lead me to believe that this war which started some time ago is now in full battle. You see, these intelligence agencies are absolutely obsessed with control and when an intelligence source like MUFON acts outside of the box the intelligence agencies would like to contain it in, then the gloves come off and the punches fly.
MUFON – an intelligence source? Yep, that is exactly how the US Air Force Office of Special Investigation (AFOSI) and other related three letter agency see any UFO organization that collects detailed data on strange things flying around our atmosphere. Of course, AFOSI knows what’s operating in US Air Space, but they want to control what data reaches say the Russians and the Chinese about what is flying around. AFOSI prefers that the general public think of it as a “UFO” and not the latest US stealth fighter or bomber, but of greater concern is what our less than believing and less than glazed eye enemy intelligence analysts glean from the published sighting data.
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman
Hey mm, where you been, I thought you sold out…or were abducted by a Milab.
Or maybe TDL gave you a doll, cap or a tee shirt with Zondo’s face on it and some greenbacks, oh, no, in your case some pounds
I didn’t know they celebrated Halloween in the UK!
What really might be happening to TTSA, the reason they have produced zero so far is that maybe they don’t know what to do. Or the organization was a fraud from start.....
I'd say that Russia and China have better access to our 'secret information'
than most parts of the US government.
It all stinks to be honest.. The IC has infiltrated any and all large ufo organisations, going back to the 50s with APRO, NICAP and the rest.
What I find funny is that I believe this "war" is totally nonsensical and modern ufologys three pillars (Rendlesham,Roswell,Lazar) have foundations constructed purely of sand that any new group comes along clings to for credibility.
I may be coming across as harsh here, but the sad thing about ufology and what I find most frustrating is not the; phenomenon / alien / UAP / UFO aspect, there certainly is a phenomenon of some kind, it's biggest issue is very much a human one.