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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:38 AM

“I’ve been a researcher and student of UFOs for many, many years. Anybody that does research, if people bother to do quality research, comes away absolutely convinced. You don’t have to have personal encounters...People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data..."

Robert Bigelow – New York Times June 7th 2010 - Link

This was heavy stuff...Now where do the origins of this quote lie?

Grab yourself a beverage of choice... Get yourself comfortable. ...This isn’t going to be like reading Twitter. This is a long thread

It seems one source of Robert Bigelow’s claims in the quote above involve a French ‘researcher’ Antoine Gigal. Physicist Jack Sarfatti described her as “accompanied by a body guard carrying a mystery briefcase allegedly containing "some kind of 'psychotronic' weapon based on alien ET technology.".

According to Sarfatti's account, Gigal claimed a gun battle took place at Skinwalker Ranch with paramilitary guards involved in a shootout against aliens emerging from a portal or wormhole type of phenomenon. He said he’d heard the rumour while visiting London in 2004, in the company of Nick Cook (a British Aerospace Journalist). Sarfatti said the woman claimed to be part of a semi-secret Paris UFO group, and the woman attributed the story to Jacques Vallee. Jack Sarfatti also stated:

"Allegedly Jacques Vallee denies the story, but now Bob Bigelow seems to have gone public with it -albeit without the details."

Artistic impression of gun battle with strange phenomena on Skinwalker Ranch

Bigelow’s quote lies tucked away in the middle of a New York Times article from 2010. It was not pursued further in that article. It would be some 7 years later that another article appeared in the New York Times. If you are not familiar with it then you really need to catch up!

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

Some believe this is the start of a path to disclosure. Others that it’s an intelligence operation or disinformation and cover for something else that is going on. My personal point of view is that more patience is required before we see how this pans out.

One thing that has now become apparent is that the United States ‘Department of Defense’, MUFON and ‘Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies’ were all intrinsically linked in an ‘Advanced Aviaton Threat Identification Program’ (AATIP) to study Unidentified Aviation Phenomena between 2007 and 2012 (maybe longer?). Five years down the road we now have a ‘To the Stars Academy’ with the former director of that program, Luis Elizondo, involved and a punk rock singer, Tom DeLonge heading it all up.

How did a self made billionaire, MUFON, and a member of Blink182 all become entwined with the machinations of the DoD?

This post will attempt to cover the historical background to these interesting recent developments.

Bob Bigelow, UFOs and the Paranormal

Bob Bigelow made his fortune in real estate - hotels, motels and private housing. His ultimate ambition however was to use the profits made to launch a space travel venture. He is an intensely private man and rarely gives interviews. His employees are ‘advised’ to not talk about their work. But he has taken a very keen interest in ‘paranormal’ matters down the years.

This was kindled in childhood. Back in 1947 his grandparents pulled over in their vehicle to avoid a strange orange orb in their path. They had stopped on the side of the road in in the middle of nowhere. The orb glowed brightly and headed straight towards them. Then at the last second before impact, it made a right-angle turn and vanished in seconds.

"It really sped up and came right into their face and filled up the entire windshield of the took off at a right angle and shot off into the distance."

Source : Techtimes

In 1989 not long after Bob Lazar went public with his exciting story about working on captured alien spacecraft at Area 51, Bob Bigelow registered and set up a Nevada corporation for Lazar, the “Zeta Reticuli 2 Corp”.

Rumour has it that it was created to research ‘Element 115’, ‘Space Weapons’ and possibly biotech treatments for incurable diseases. Element 115 was the ‘magic’ substance Lazar claims to have worked with and had samples of. It was, according to Lazar, required in the propulsion system of alien craft at Area 51. The company did not last long and nothing ever materialized from this venture. I could find very little else about the purpose of the company, nor much about the two Bobs relationship afterwards.

‘TRONDANT’ and the 1992 Roper Survey

If you have no idea what “TRONDANT” means then you have probably never heard of the 1992 Roper Survey either. In 1991, Robert Bigelow, along with other interested parties proposed a survey project to estimate the number of alien abductees in America.

These were a series of 3 polls conducted by The Roper Organization, funded by Bigelow regarding “alien abduction”. Polls were conducted during the summer and early autumn of 1991. The results remain highly controversial in that it concluded 1 in every 50 (over 4 million American) people appeared to have been abducted by aliens.

The survey was sent to 100,000 psychiatrists to give to patients who claimed “unusual personal experiences” i.e., “abducted by aliens.”This was based on a sample of just under 6000 participants. However question 6 was used as a control question. Anyone who felt “TRONDANT” had a secret meaning for them was eliminated .

Roper Survey Questions

The conclusions of The Roper Organization

"The Roper Organization's research on behalf of Bigelow Holding Company produced results that were unexpected by Bigelow Holding Company; chiefly because the number of people reporting occurrences of items on the list far exceeded what was anticipated, and also because the answers cut across most demographic subgroups... It is clear that significant numbers of people do report that these unusual events occurred, independent of any factors in the survey that might increase responses."

[Copies of the report, Unusual Personal Experiences, may be available through The Roper Organization, 205 East 42nd Street, New York, NY 10017]

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:38 AM
In 1993, Bigelow funded the start up of a paranormal radio show - 'Area 2000' with Art Bell, George Knapp and Linda Moulton Howe. Bigelow bowed out fearing a lack of quality guests could be found. Art Bell carried the idea forward and that radio show became Coast to Coast AM.

In 1994, Robert Bigelow suggested a coalition of UFO organizations with MUFON, the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and the Fund for UFO Research (FUFOR) participating. They all formed the UFO Research Coalition (URC). One of the combined projects included working on something called the Ambient Monitoring Project aimed at measuring environmental changes during on-going abduction experiences.

But by September of 1995 Saucer Smear reported that Bigelow had ceased funding the project. Funding for Linda Moulton Howe to investigate cattle mutilations however continued.

“Las Vegas businessman Robert Bigelow has terminated his financial help to the three major UFO organizations – MUFON, CUFOS, and FUFOR – due to ‘irreconcilable differences’. We are told that Bigelow wanted more control over how his money would be spent.

We also hear that one leading ufologist went so far out of control at the final meeting with Bigelow that he had to be gently escorted from the conference room….Bigelow’s flirtation with the Offbeat is not over, however, as he is still apparently funding cattle mutilation investigation by Linda Howe…”

Later in 1995 Bob Bigelow created the ‘National Institute for Discovery Science’ (NIDS) with Jacques Vallee, Hal Puthoff, Melvin Morse and Edgar Mitchell on board. The purpose of the institute was to study anomalous sightings, cattle mutilations, consciousness and crop circles.

By 1996, he had also purchased Skinwalker Ranch. A property where many paranormal happenings were reported to have taken place.

In 1997, Bigelow donated, $3.7 million to UNLV (University of Nevada at Las Vegas) to establish the Bigelow Chair of Consciousness Studies. It featured course work in metaphysics, near-death experiences and extrasensory perception.

The John Carpenter Affair

John Carpenter was a Missouri Licensed Clinical Social Worker, hypnotist and the ‘abduction research specialist’ for MUFON from 1991 to 2001..

Carpenter accepted approximately $14,000 ($100 per file) for delivering copies of the 140 case files on people suspecting themselves to be alien abductees – to Robert Bigelow and NIDS. None of these people were informed by Carpenter that he made such arrangements. Many who had already paid Carpenter for ‘treatment’.

This understandably outraged a number of the individuals involved. Carpenter confirmed to researcher Jack Brewer over at UFO Trail that sharing of files was actually spread over 3 years starting in 1995. He also stated other researchers may have shared case files as well. The whole story is a complex one and the details can be picked up at UFO Traill for those who want to explore this further.

The reason it is mentioned here is to illustrate the questionable ethics of a MUFON insider who supplied Bigelow with personal details from these suspected ‘abductees’ without contacting them about it.

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:39 AM
2001 - Air Space Oddity

Every wondered why the classic UFO reports of old, beyond lights in the sky, seemed to be drying up in the 21st century? Well it’s probably because Bob Bigelow via NIDS and then BAASS was vacuuming many of them up? Never to be heard of again due to non-disclosure agreements.

In 2001, the FAA directed UFO sightings to Bigelow’s now defunct National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) with a change in their policy manuals:

“In calendar year 1999, representatives from the National Institute for Discovery Sciences (NIDS) contacted the FAA Administrator to offer their research institution as the single point of contact recognized by the FAA in regard to UFO information. On April 14, 2000, after being referred by the FAA Administrator, NIDS representatives met with ATP-200 to finalize a course of action. This document change proposal is a result of that meeting and is official FAA recognition that NIDS is the single point of contact for UFO research.

The official date for all FAA offices to receive the new manuals is July 12, 2001, but NIDS has confirmed that many FAA offices have already received the manuals."

In 2004 NIDS was placed into hibernation with a lack of worthwhile cases to investigate.

In 2012 the FAA in the US once again updated policy documents so that UFO reports were diverted to ‘Bigelow Aerospace, the National UFO Reporting Center etc. ‘Conveniently for BAASS only their contact details were provided in the policy manuals.

However NIDS did release a tiny number of conclusions drawn from their work. One was a conclusion that cattle mutilation was being caused by an unknown, well funded organisation studying the fatal effects of prion diseases.

Overall, the evidence suggests that animal mutilations are a long-term, covert, prion disease sampling operation by unknown perpetrators who are aware of a substantial contamination of the beef and venison food supply. Although this paper presents evidence in favor of a motive for animal mutilations, there is still insufficient evidence to identify the perpetrators.............. The primary conclusion of this paper is that the animal mutilation epidemic of 1970-2003 was and is a monitoring operation for an infectious agent that is spreading through the human food chain..

Source : NIDS - TSE

In 2004 too, NIDS also made a statement on Black Triangle UFOs:

"The United States is currently experiencing a wave of Flying Triangle sightings that may have intensified... especially towards the latter part of the 1990s... The Flying Triangles are being openly deployed over and near population centers, including in the vicinity of major Interstate Highways...neither the agenda nor the origin of the Flying Triangles are currently known... behaviour of the vehicles "does not appear consistent with the covert deployment of an advanced DoD [U.S. Department of the Defense] aircraft."

See :

In that same year of 1999 when NIDS first contacted the FAA, Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) was born.

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:39 AM
The BAASS and MUFON Star Team Impact Project Controversy

Fast forward to the latter months of 2008. Robert Bigelow approached MUFON with a ‘business proposal’. This proposal involved unlimited access (in real time) to MUFON’s case files database and utilising MUFON field investigators. Initial funding was to be from five months to a year, with the option to renew for a second year. Investigations were limited to cases where physical effects of a UFO had been reported, where ‘living beings’ had been sighted or where ‘reality transformation’ is said to occur. Whatever that was supposed to mean? ‘Lights seen in the sky’ would not qualify for paid investigations.

Additionally, Bigelow was contracting up to fifty scientists, some designated to be on the scene within twenty-four hours after significant UFO incidents, to perform investigations and analyze any data and material the MUFON investigators had collected. Travel expenses plus a $100 per day investigation fee would be paid. Bonuses would be awarded for outstanding field performers.

The goal of BAASS was to acquire UFO super technology for the purpose of filing patents.

The contract was offering a total of $672,000 if MUFON delivered. Bigelow was demanding some fairly strict key performance targets including detailed weekly written reports with plans for the next 7 days activities. Monthly reports with detailed financial expenditure were also demanded. All the risk and liability was with MUFON. Yet Bigelow was also insisting on being in control. February of 2009 - the MUFON Board of Directors, perhaps naively, signed up for the terms set out in the contract. In September of 2009 Bigelow demanded MUFON explain what they had done with his money. It appears then that MUFON descended into a panic.

By November of 2009 only $334,000 of the promised $672,000 had been paid to MUFON. Bigelow refused to pay any more money to MUFON despite a legally binding contract. Money that we now know, came from US taxpayers, not from Bigelow’s private funds. Yet it seems at MUFON only John Schuessler was aware of where the funding had come from.

Was Bigelow aiming to control MUFON, and if he couldn’t, destabilise the entire organisation?

Also in 2009 BAASS purchased the Houston, British Columbia, Canada UFO (HBCC UFO) websites. A repository for eyewitness accounts of UFO sightings from around the world. Someone certainly enjoyed hoovering up UFO data.

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:39 AM
Carrion Screaming!

The clash of the corporate culture with a voluntary non-profit making organisation like MUFON did not go smoothly. James Carrion (pictured), then International Director of MUFON tendered his resignation in January of 2010. He was unhappy at the way things had transpired and felt that MUFON had been manipulated by Bigelow. Carrion sent an email to his fellow MUFON board members...


Since taking on the MUFON International Director position, I have been in observation .... What I have observed over the last three years seriously disturbs me.

It is my belief that there are forces at work here that “manage” Ufology for their own purposes. When an organization like MUFON starts to operate outside of the box “they” intend to keep us in, then these controlling forces move in to tighten their grip. Case in point is MUFON’s relationship with BAASS. Although John (Schuessler) knows who BAASS’ sponsors are, I am no longer comfortable with the MUFON-BAASS relationship. ...

Just last month, I financed my own trip to Utah with Dr. Frank Salisbury who was looking to republish his book ... Since the book covered the Uintah Basin...where the Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch is located, Salisbury sought and was denied access to the Ranch. I also asked and was denied access. Instead, we spent our time interviewing new witnesses around the Ranch. Our contact person was Brad Newton (real name withheld) who has researched the area for many years. What I learned from Brad is what has led to the doubts I now harbor.

Brad worked with NIDS on the ranch and mentioned that after an alleged sighting, metal rods were found on the ranch that were sent to NIDS for analysis. Brad was in contact with a NIDS scientist who informed him that the rods were made from Element 115 and did not originate on earth, and that he (the scientist) had worked at Area 51 on a reverse engineering project where they had accumulated 300 pounds of this material. This in a nutshell is the Bob Lazar story.

Through Dr. Salisbury, we were able to interview the brother of the original owner of the ranch who sold it to the Shermans who subsequently sold it to Bigelow. The ranch owner’s brother was adamant that there was no UFO or strange activity on the ranch prior to the Sherman’s purchase, contrary to what was discussed in the Skinwalker Book and that he (the owner’s brother) had personally received a call from Bigelow trying to convince him otherwise. I found this to be extremely odd and disturbing. I also subsequently learned of a business relationship between Lazar and Bigelow (documented in the MUFON archives).

What I see in the MUFON-BAASS relationship is active management of MUFON’s work, despite assurances from BAASS otherwise. By carefully controlling the purse strings with each contract evaluation period, they are ensuring they receive a constant flow of information from MUFON while also making sure that MUFON does not end up with operational funding to stabilize its long term financial well being. Who’s on the receiving end of this information? Since that will not be disclosed to MUFON, I cannot state for sure, but I don’t feel confident that the information is being used for what MUFON was originally informed.

If you were able to listen to my speech at the Symposium or read my paper in the Proceedings or read my blog, then you know where I stand on the active management and control of information on the part of governmental or quasi governmental forces in our work. Conspiracy theory? Yes. Plausible? Yes.

MUFON has an obligation to the public to fulfil its mission. ...
I have already stated my decision to step down as the International Director.. I will not stand by and be managed. My time will be better spent actively uncovering the trail left by the forces of disinformation and my efforts focused on uncovering the truth. In the end that is all that is important...
See : link

With hindsight we can see Carrion knew what was going on even if he wasn’t quite certain of fine details. What followed was a further email exchange with John Schuessler involving carbon like rods found at Skinwalker ranch allegedly containing Element 115.

Carrion felt that a contact he had originally interviewed had been duped by a NIDS scientist promoting a false story of these ‘rods’. Something was amiss with the whole relationship between MUFON and BAASS. He especially questioned why Non-Disclosure Agreements were being used to censor the truth. Carrion was also unhappy that Bigelow was now trying to reduce the amount of money paid to MUFON in direct violation of his own contract.

James Carrion resigned. The Board of MUFON backed down and agreed to Bigelow’s new terms.

In July of 2014 Carrion also spoke to radio show the Paracast.

I think a lot of people in ufology may not like to hear, and that is - I think the bottom line is - there are folks that are in the field that call themselves ufologists, call themselves researchers, investigative journalists – whatever they want to call themselves, it doesn't really matter – but when their modus operandi is to perpetuate the mystery instead of solving it, we have a big issue. We have a big problem because the mystery will never get resolved as long as these people are out there hawking their latest theories ...if you don't have a sincere interest in truth, if you're simply interested in making the rounds of the UFO talk circuit... you're part of the problem, not part of the solution....
...if you think you can dance with these intelligence agencies and they don't want you to dance with them, you're never gonna dance. ... I think there is a very interesting dance happening between ufology and the intelligence organizations that have more to do with what the goals of the intelligence agencies are than a cover up of extraterrestrial visitation....

...when Bigelow hid the source of his funding and would only reveal it to John Schuessler on the MUFON board, that lack of transparency really rubs me the wrong way...

... Skinwalker Ranch to me is interesting for a couple reasons. To me, the mythology – and I'll call it mythology because I don't think what's written in the book is accurate...

Why was it being built up? I think it had somewhat to do with the mythology surrounding Area 51. Somebody wants to continue that mythology. The same way that the mythology is continued around Dulce...

All I know is somebody is obfuscating what is really going on, and I don't think it has to do with protecting people's lives [concerning the lack of access and lack of transparency]. I think it's something else...

...if you go into this field with an open mind, you put aside your beliefs, you really look to see why there's so much noise surrounding this field. Pay attention to the noise. Pay attention to the characters that are in the field.

James Carrion - the Paracast July 2014

In a roundabout way Carrion had accused many of those invested in ufology, including his radio hosts, of being part of the problem.

The irony is not lost.

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:40 AM
Dr. Christopher ‘Kit’ Green’s Experiencer Group

Dr. Christopher ‘Kit’ Green is a former adviser to both the US DoD and the CIA with an impressive CV and a colourful career behind him.

From 2005 Dr. Green returned to private medicine and began working on a research project. This project involved compiling a structured database of individuals that were suffering enigmatic injuries, burns, skin lesions, cancer and diseases. The most significant factor being that all these people had also had ‘face-to-face’ encounters with UFO/UAPs. The analysis of which took some two years. It revealed some very interesting data. Although due to patient confidentiality a lot of it remains outside the public domain.

Many of Green’s one hundred plus patients were military personnel or from aerospace industries. Their own search for treatment had been exhausted with little or no positive results from regular doctors. Dr. Green worked on diagnosis from virtually nothing. He based his hypothesis on patients being exposed to some form of black ops technology such as Non-Lethal Weaponry, Holograms, Cloaking technology and drones. Brain scans, blood, DNA and endocrine tests were made.

However one highly disturbing finding mentioned by Dr. Green is that:

Twenty five percent of my patients die within five to seven years of my diagnosis, and I have no idea of how any programs I knew about years ago can do these things”

Source : Kit Green via the book 'Phenomenon' by Annie Jacobsen

Green later teamed up with Dr. Garry Nolan, (pictured) a specialist in genetics, immunology and bioinformatics. Nolan agreed with Green. He thought patients had been exposed to an electromagnetic field leading to inflammation and other biomarkers. These showed up in MRI, tissue and blood scans. Something medical technology has not previously been able to pinpoint. So called ‘Experiencers of anomalous phenomenon’ often show certain biometric markers and DNA changes.

“Some people [seem to] attract the phenomena or the experiences..they act like an antenna or are like lighthouses in the dark”.

Phenomenon - Annie Jacobsen

Dr. Green has, in recent years, worked with Rendlesham Forest UFO witness John Burroughs. The results of which were successful treatment for heart damage and, after years of dispute, the Veteran’s Association (VA) finally agreed to pay for the treatment.

Interestingly John Burroughs also claims he has a document proving that a weapon was developed off the back of what he encountered in Rendlesham Forest! Although to date he has not released that publicly. While the reasons for treating these people are perfectly altruistic the data gleaned could also be vitally important to certain interested parties.

Dr. Garry Nolan is also, probably not coincidentally, a member of the ‘To the Stars Academy’ team...

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:40 AM
BAASS, AATIP and DeLonge Road *** ‘To the Stars’ ***

We now know that the funding from US DoD, to the tune of some $22m, was funnelled into BAASS/AATIP. This continued from 2007 until 2012 when it was ended due to ‘other priorities’. We also know that MUFON received a percentage of that money despite things turning sour for a while over contracts with Bigelow Aerospace.

What we don’t know is what Robert Bigelow did with ALL of that money and apparently some of his own.

UAP Fragments

Going back to the New York Times Articles it was confirmed that metal alloys had been recovered! Bigelow was able to procure and secure materials, alloys, etc. for his own research from UAP/UFOs that the AATIP program came across in their investigations.

Studies of the Hessdalen lights have shown that rare earth metals are present such as scandium. Scandium is a metal that is extremely expensive to produce and is more abundant on the moon than Earth. It can be used in batteries, and is also a very strong, light and resistant to corrosion ideal for spaceflight and coincidentally Russian MIG 29 fighters!!

...Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena...


This sounds like the Maury Island UFO story or the Ghost Rocket flap of the late 1940s in Scandinavia when a then Top Secret USAFE memo date 4th November 1948 claimed that some reliable and fully technically qualified people had concluded:

....... "these phenomena are obviously the result of a high technical skill which cannot be credited to any presently known culture on earth." They are therefore assuming that these objects originate from some previously unknown or unidentified technology, possibly outside the earth.

While some fragments of what was later identified as ‘slag’ were identified nothing has come to light indicating an unearthly technology in 70 years since.Has BAASS uncovered something more?

UAP Experiencer Studies

We have been told researchers studied people who were UAP ‘experiencers’ for physiological changes.

....Researchers also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes.....


I think we can guess who was involved in the studies of these experiencers.

This also has similarities to studies of the past made by the likes of John Mack and David Jacobs dating back to the early 1980s. Those studies remain questionable and open to all sorts of accusations. However although little is known about this new research at present it would seem that the methodology is more advanced and some meaningful data can be gleaned.

So, we are up to the point where we have the US DoD awarding a $22m contract to Bigelow and Bigelow recruiting MUFON to assist with identifying UAP events (beyond just lights in the sky). But then we are also told, by the Pentagon, that nothing of interest was really found.

“After a while the consensus was we really couldn’t find anything of substance.They produced reams of paperwork. After all of that there was really nothing there that we could find. It all pretty much dissolved from that reason alone—and the interest level was losing steam. We only did it a couple years....”


The funding stopped and the project seems to have been wound down....if not completely terminated.

What did BAASS really find? What did their people conclude?

Why did the Pentagon state there was nothing there, yet, in 2017 Bob Bigelow confirmed he believes there is an alien presence here?

I'm absolutely convinced. That's all there is to it...There has been and is an existing presence, an ET presence [on Earth]

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:40 AM
To the Stars

Prior to the US Elections, Jimmy Kimmel brought up the UFO subject with Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and George W.Bush with varying degrees of humour injected into the conversation. Stephen Greer's 'Unacknowledged' movie was also released with high production values that appealed to a mainstream audience (even if some of the content can be disputed). It seemed like attempts were already being made to softly focus public attention to the UFO/UAP topic in the USA.

Around the same time Tom DeLonge popped up on the UFO scene. He was talking UFOs, aliens and ‘disclosure’ on a number of late night talk shows and also in interviews for printed and digital media. He published a couple of books and also made contact with a number of ‘suits’ in the government and military.

After a number of failed promised and missed deadlines, from an otherwise empty looking venue on 11th October of 2017, Tom DeLonge introduced the world to the “To the Stars Academy” project and to a number of his team via the power of the internet.

Most of the team seemed to be ‘company’ men.

Jim Semivan, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Luis Elizondo and Chris Mellon have all worked in intelligence services. Steve Justice meanwhile came from Lockheed Martin ‘Skunkworks’.

Of those not present but enlisted by DeLonge are Dr. Garry Nolan (mentioned earlier), Dr. Paul Rapp (commended by the CIA for his work), Dr. Norm Kahn (former CIA), Dr. Colm Kelleher (who previously investigated Skinwalker Ranch as a Director of NIDS) and Dr. Adele Gilpin (Scientist with no mentioned links to the DoD or CIA!).

The presentation was strictly to script, much like UFO Cover Up Live 30 years ago. It was full of convoluted, corporate buzz words but ultimately mentioned nothing about any form of ‘disclosure’. There were numerous references to storytelling, movies and entertainment and it seems that a lot of the income for this ‘academy’ will have to come from that. We were not told at all about the work already done or if any conclusions were drawn.

During the presentation Tom DeLonge said:

Now in adulthood, I’ve started to use my limited notoriety as a tool...

Perhaps highlighting a need to be surrounded by a bunch of intelligence men.

Luis Elizondo also mentioned a mobile phone app in the works.

Another To the Stars Academy objective is the development of an app that allows you to help us quote unquote crowd crunch the data.
Anyone with a cell phone could be alerted to an event occurring in their area. In essence making them a virtual contributor with millions of people documenting events as they actually happen.

Sounds like they already tried that with MUFON but this time the whole world can join in. Not sure if you’ll get paid for anything though at this stage.

Finally they told us they were going to build a spaceship....OK.

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:41 AM
So what in early 2018 is going on?

Tom DeLonge was relegated to a back seat in the recent mainstream media stories from December of 2017. Leaving Luis Elizondo as the main man being widely quoted:

My personal belief is that there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone.
Source :

We were also shown a couple of videos of which provenance still seems to be in doubt. However before he left his position with the DoD Luis Elizondo must have been working hard to declassify a lot of the evidence he’d seen for himself relating to AATIP. The first released video comes from 2004. Three years before the AATIP project was started and now fourteen years old.

It can also be traced back to at least 2007 having sat on a webpage belonging to VisionUnlimited ( a German film production company). No one seems to doubt the footage is genuine but the trail of who placed it there, how they came into possession of it and why they did it remain a mystery at this point in time. Other ATS members continue to pursue analysis of that situation. The rest of the publicity was very smoothly handled with pilots speaking publicly and even an interview with Senator Harry Reid with George Knapp. It seems there is still more to come.

The Pentagon, may have claimed the project was ended due to other priorities in 2012 because nothing of substance was found. But in contradiction to that Bigelow Aerospace have created a secured storage building for material discovered at the scene of UAP incidents. They were also very keen to identify ‘experiencers’ of these events and compile a database of them and their symptoms. The media across the Western World have taken it all in and reported it in a very sober and mature way.

Maybe we do live in interesting times?

The US Government & Military

People in government departments will hold different views at every level. We’ve already heard that some, with almost medieval religious views, believe that UFOs are demons and wanted AATIP stopped. Men like Luis Elizondo viewed the problem totally differently and wanted the issue explored further to find answers.

This is not too dissimilar from the days just after World War II when the Flying Saucer Waves seemed to be everywhere. Allegedly an “Estimate of the Situation” review concluded that the best explanation was that these saucers were extra-terrestrial in origin. The report seems to have been bounced around the echelons of command and was ultimately rejected due to lack of hard evidence.

I doubt the situation has changed in the 21st century. There have always been people in military intelligence who believe there is a real UFO phenomenon. But once investigations eliminate the possibility of a threat then chasing UFOs becomes a “high cost/low probability of success” exercise. Spending taxpayers money on such a project is undoubtedly frowned upon. Especially after 70 years without clear answers.

What I believe has changed is that we are seeing a new era beginning to develop. An era where both space exploration and the study of UFOs are or already have been privatised.

It means that the god fearing people who seem to hold lofty positions of influence and those worried about how their tax dollars are being spent are appeased. That doesn’t mean if any hard evidence is found that the military won’t be interested in new methods of propulsion and weaponry. But now the US government can begin to distance itself from all the negativity associated with the UFO topic.

As for the military, well some of their more esoteric projects are nothing more than distractions for nations outside the US sphere of influence anyway and nothing more than perception management operations.

The Bigelow Question

At the heart of this road ‘to the Stars’ is Bob Bigelow.
Bigelow’s interest in the UFO phenomenon is without question a genuine one on a personal level. But his obsession with secrecy , the heavy handling of MUFON, procuring ‘experiencers’ contact details and his obvious deep connections with the military industrial complex leave the perception that there is something shady about his dealings in this subject.

There is a full on conspiracy claim that Bob Bigelow and the Military Industrial Complex have now completed their objectives. In other words they now ‘own ufology’ in North America. It implicates a fair number of people.

See :

Gabe Valdez also stated in his “Dulce Base” book

"I have it on very good authority, without going into too much detail, that NIDS and Bigelow Aerospace was funded as a black budget CIA project to prevent scrutiny and accountability from Congress. ... In case you haven’t noticed, most of the members of the aviary are also members of the NIDS science advisory board. The aviary group was part of an organized government operation that intentionally tried to convince Americans of an alien presence. "

I suspect that people who try to get further information via FOIA requests about Bigelow’s investigation into the phenomenon will also be somewhat disappointed.

However the truth is probably not as extreme as the above claims. The full story has yet to be unravelled.

One thing that seems obvious is that, whatever information Robert Bigelow is sitting on, his curiosity has now been satisfied. He is now attempting to capture and utilise a technology which he believes is not ours. Or he is part of a huge deception exercise?

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:41 AM
DeLonge Game

It may seem that people in the intelligence services who believe there is something to be studied and gleaned from the UFO phenomenon have now taken an opportunity to jump ship and join the “To the Stars Academy” . They are now squirrelled away from the need to answer to officialdom and the US taxpayer. Only time will tell what the project will bring. Bob Bigelow may not be linked with it in public but his presence and influence seem to be there in the background.

TomDeLonge’s self professed claim to have “ limited notoriety as a tool” may well now turn out to be true. He will be allowed to be ‘remunerated for ... a minimum of $100,000’ and further use the ‘To the Stars’ project for carefully structured tax write-offs. He may even be allowed to carry on working in the entertainment side of projects. But he really is playing with some of the big boys in public now. Is an ability to pucker up and call them all ‘Sir!’ enough to keep him in the game?

What worries me slightly is that there are still people around who have been messing with weird stuff for a long, long time. The players from decades ago are once again fluttering around. Richard Doty has been busily claiming everything was aliens in both Stephen Greer’s “Unacknowledged” movie and in lower key interviews elsewhere. He’s even been stalking around Facebook these last few months too. Then there is the team behind DeLonge who have a deep history of connections with the intelligence community. Hal Puthoff is another ‘character’ from years ago with a senior position on DeLonge’s team.

For a more in depth revision of that history I refer you to our very own The GUT’s excellent thread.

Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology

Because some of these people are still dealing in areas and technologies that disturb human brain functions. As ‘The GUT’ poetically states it in the thread linked above.

..peek behind the curtain at some of the mind science that has lead to a portion of this technology. It's a dark area where the un-refutable connections between MK-ULTRA, Remote Viewing, Electromagnetism, Occult Knowledge & Practices, and "Alien Intelligences" converge with hi-technology and science.

Dark recesses where the dark arts prosper and dark entities whisper in the ears of men. The realm of our modern "alchemists."

Supposedly an exercise in studies of human consciousness and how we can communicate with a ‘higher intelligences’ . But it also seems to lead down a path of mental illness and psychosis for many on the receiving end. To dabble is to gamble with sanity. Much of this is beyond the scope of the thread,

So back to a reality that we all know and exist in. One obvious questions that arises from this latest development is this.

If AATIP was instigated to study ‘aerial threats’ then what does the US government really know about the UFO/UAP phenomenon?

It seems that almost 50 years after the closure of Project Bluebook they are telling us they still don’t know very much at all.

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 06:54 AM

originally posted by: mirageman

“I’ve been a researcher and student of UFOs for many, many years. Anybody that does research, if people bother to do quality research, comes away absolutely convinced. You don’t have to have personal encounters...People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data..."

This was heavy stuff .Now where do the origins of this quote lie?

That should make for some great reading on a Sunday afternoon, thanks mirageman. Some "connecting the dots" is badly needed to come to an informed opinion, especially regarding the latest developments involving TTSA and the NYT.

Looking forward to working myself through this thread (while sipping my beverage of choice, of course).

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 08:08 AM
a reply to: jeep3r

It may connect a few dots for sure. But you have to read between the lines as well

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 08:11 AM
Our species couldn't have picked a better representative to spearhead potential contact with an alien species.

But on a serious note...

originally posted by: mirageman
...Supposedly an exercise in studies of human consciousness and how we can communicate with a ‘higher intelligences’ . But it also seems to lead down a path of mental illness and psychosis for many on the receiving end. To dabble is to gamble with sanity. Much of this is beyond the scope of the thread....

Let's say some of us are willing to make such a gamble where would you direct those of us interested for information on how to try such a thing?

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 08:52 AM
a reply to: mirageman

It may connect a few dots for sure. But you have to read between the lines as well

Indeed Mirageman, indeed.

An exceptional and well written thread.

Now to relax and take it all in, with that chosen beverage!

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 09:21 AM

originally posted by: mirageman
Supposedly an exercise in studies of human consciousness and how we can communicate with a ‘higher intelligences’ . But it also seems to lead down a path of mental illness and psychosis for many on the receiving end. To dabble is to gamble with sanity. Much of this is beyond the scope of the thread,

Gee, after reading all the posts in this thread I fell like I've been communicating with a higher intelligence. Because now I feel I have a mental illness and psychosis from what you've said. Clearly since I practically did not understand the significance of anything you were writing other than goof ball UFO-ologist jockeying for position on TV shows, then I must be insane.

originally posted by: mirageman
So back to a reality that we all know and exist in.

Is there a single reality we all know and can agree on that exists? I don't think so.

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 09:26 AM
a reply to: mirageman

Hey MM, good to see you still on the boards.

I've been away from ATS a while, but pop my head in occasionally.

You've outdone yourself here, fantastic thread.
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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 09:27 AM
Thank you for all the work, great background!

2018 will show whether TTSA can come up with irrefutible proof that something beyond our current understanding of the universe exists or not. Be that floating metals using hitherto unknown technology or flying objects or a tap-dancing alien.
Interesting year ahead.

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 09:32 AM
a reply to: mirageman

A great thread and a very interesting read indeed, a lot of good links too that show your research. This is the sort of post i enjoy reading in the "Aliens & U.F.O" thread. Bravo to you sir!!

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posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 09:41 AM
Interesting thread Mirageman, with some useful material collated.

originally posted by: mirageman
It seems that almost 50 years after the closure of Project Bluebook they are telling us they still don’t know very much at all.

You also have to take into account a distinction between:
(a) what some people say they "know", and
(b) whether that they "know" actually stands up to rigorous testing...

In other words, even if you get some relevant people to tell you what they "know" then there's still quite a bit of work left to be done...

posted on Jan, 7 2018 @ 10:28 AM
I was interested and fascinated in the UFO story before buying the first UFO magazine by Graham Birdsall years ago, I joined ATS after being a long time lerker because of the "serpo" thread, and was fascinated by the tale.
But I often wonder that when it comes to any real good griping stories like "S4", Bob Lazar, element 115 and also the previously mentioned "serpo" story with links to "company" men and groups like the Avery, are we being played for reasons unknown by alphabet agencies, or where they created in the first place to keep the "UFO" story going round in circles, without giving us any real juicy info or solid evidence, and to do nothing but drip feed us and ufologists morsels of information, mixed with a pile of lies and deceit for the benefit of these said agencies and a military/political ideology?
Bigelow and his latest group seem to be telling a hash or mix up of all the previous stories with links to "other" places/dimensions thanks to NIDS, unknown materials (with links to Bob Lazar?), aliens/other beings without any real evidence other than a clipped flir video,
This is a genuine question by someone with an open mind who wants to believe that we could be witnessing visitation, do any of us think that 2018 is anything different than say the Disney UFO film or more of the same?

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