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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: TruD4rkness
So I want to add a little bit of clarity to all the reports that he fired 200 rounds down the hallway at the security guard.

"Police said Paddock managed to fire off over 200 rounds as the security guard approached the suspect's room alone."

From
abcnews.go.com...

Nowhere does it say that Paddock was firing at the officer, it says he managed to fire off 200 more rounds as the officer approached.


How long and how many clips would he need to replace to accomplish that?
Seems like it'd take up a significant amount within the approx 10 minute timeline.



Well according to slide fires website (the maker of the most well know bump fire stock) it can allow an AR15 to fire up to 900 rounds a minute. Seems reasonable he could go through 2 100 round clips in one minute even taking his time.




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: Dragoon01
People are overlooking something with the "gun deal" angle.

The FBI have been involved in years since 9-11 on multiple occasions with "set up" terrorists events.
They have been pointed to Islamic people and through the work of informants and undercover agents directed these people who stated a desire to commit a terrorist act, all the way to the brink of the act at which point they arrest them.
This has even gone so far as to include firearms, live explosives, and other means of killing which entice the target into going forward with the act.

It is possible that we are seeing the effects of one of these "canned" events where the government was unable to stop it once it got underway. In that case it would not be entirely out of the question for Paddock to be a potential informer attempting to entice Pilipino Muslims into a terrorist act. Maybe that got out of control. We have potential accomplices who look Asian or Spanish seen in the vicinity of the shooting as well as possibly with him on the day of the shooting.

I don't think that is the case I am just speculating here with regard to the information on an "arms deal".


With regard to the weapons themselves. I keep seeing people saying these guns were not "military grade" and this somehow makes them unwanted by ISIS or another terrorist.
I think the evidence that they performed rather well is staring you in the face and they no doubt caused quite a bit of terror in that kill zone. There is nothing different between these guns and "military grade" from a performance standpoint. Several of the guns are high end Daniel Defense guns and they are made with many parts that exceed military spec. There are parts the would need to be added to make them EXACTLY like a military gun but those parts are not really needed when you have the Bump fire stock especially if you do not intend to fire them for more than a single attack.
The point being that IF you were a recently arrived terrorist in the US that did not have the sufficient residency requirements to pass background checks and thus legally purchase rifles, you would need someone like Paddock to get the guns for you. If your intention was to conduct a terrorist attack inside the US you might use him to do a lot of other things as well, like scout out potential targets, since he had hotel comps and privileges and his personal wealth gave him the freedom to travel.
Not saying this is what happened just that its possible.




Wow.. really well put together theory. We have seen a history of these "set ups" time and time again. Perhaps that did happen! Would explain why MSM hasn't reported much of anything on what Paddock's apparent "motive" was



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Seems some source picked the wrong floor plan. It might explain how all broken windows could be in 135.


You were here last night and remember you bringing this up to only be shut down... it’s clear as day that rooms 32-134/35 both had one window out.

Look at the crime scene for one where only shows one window it could only be off to the right in room 32-134
edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: TruD4rkness

Lolol same exact thing...someone was watching the camera and shot down the hall. The sheriff himself said both things...the sheriff himself said the leo came apon the door ajar as well as what is quoted on the news site you just linked.

You need to watch the conference from last night...not just take one quote from a news story.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: antibren

Yes you are absolutely right. 2 separate hotel rooms door locked between them that swat breeched

windows out in each separate hotel room. Long well established...

Where are all these ppl coming from? Planet moon?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Dragoon01

And I am an engineer, not by hobby, but by profession.

(deep breath)

Okay...I carefully read your post as you requested. I did not see the video you refer to, but I don't need to. (I'll even look at it if you link it, but I know what it will show).

Now...I read your post..I just have one simple question...will you (and antibren) read mine?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: antibren

Sure does look that way.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: tiredoflooking
a reply to: TruD4rkness

Lolol same exact thing...someone was watching the camera and shot down the hall. The sheriff himself said both things...the sheriff himself said the leo came apon the door ajar as well as what is quoted on the news site you just linked.

You need to watch the conference from last night...not just take one quote from a news story.



Actually they are two very different things. Would you like me to quote the time line of events or do you want to present me with a reliable source that says the door was ajar and he was able to get to him?


9:40 p.m.

Country music star Jason Aldean starts his performance at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in front of a crowd of more than 22,000 in Las Vegas.

10:05 p.m.

This is when Paddock begins to fire, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department says Wednesday.

10:08 p.m.

“I see the shots coming from Mandalay Bay, halfway up!” someone says in police scanner audio published by Broadcastify.

10:12 p.m.

Two officers reach the 31st floor of the casino "and announce the gunfire is coming from directly above them," Las Vegas police later say on Wednesday.

10:15 p.m.

Paddock fires his final shots, police say Wednesday.

10:17 p.m.

This is when two officers get to the 32nd floor, where Paddock was, according to the police timeline.

10:18 p.m

A security guard says he's been shot and tells them where Paddock's room is, police say Wednesday.

10:20 p.m.

“It's been awhile since we've heard any shots," someone says in a transmission, The New York Times reports. "Does anybody have eyes on the shooter?”

10:26 p.m. - 10:30 p.m.

This, police later say, is when eight more officers show up "and begin to move systematically down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people."

10:38 p.m.

“We're investigating reports of an active shooter near/around Mandalay Bay Casino,” police tweet. “Asking everyone to please avoid the area.”

11:00 p.m.

Part of the Las Vegas Strip is shut down, authorities tweet.

11:20 p.m.

Authorities use a device to breach a Mandalay Bay room.

"They observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door that could be not accessed from their position," police later say Wednesday.

11:27 p.m.

A second breach goes off.

"Officers quickly realized there was no one else in the rooms and announced over the radio that the suspect was down," according to authorities.

11:58 p.m.
“Confirming that one suspect is down,” Las Vegas police tweet. “This is an active investigation. Again, please do not head down to the Strip at this time.”


The rest isn't relevant.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: mzinga

Now I KNOW you are just trying to stir the pot lol...those are theories with proof where as the 4chan leak is fake. Where is your proof about antifa or liberals exactly?

They are all theories without any proof...



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Ive read every post on this thread page one post one to here...including yours and I always reply mainly with more question as I have no established theories just questions...

Edit: I even remember your having lots of questions with the MSM timeline
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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: antibren

I was wrong about different floor plans after disk brought it up. If you look, they are the same. Both can match up with the window config. Does seem like 134 and 135 have a window out.

I think words used in the press releases make for confusion.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: TruD4rkness

"They observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door that could be not accessed from their position," police later say Wednesday.

11:27 p.m.

A second breach goes off.

"Officers quickly realized there was no one else in the rooms and announced over the radio that the suspect was down," according to authorities

Meaning 32-134 was locked from the inside?
The second breach was to reach the second window...
why wouldn’t the door be open so he could easily access both open windows?

Edit: even stranger that Aussie guy is certain he stayed in 32-134 but msm media will tell you payed for two rooms? But only mention 32-135
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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: TruD4rkness

My accurate proof is the sheriff's answered questions after he presented that timeline in last night's conference. You need to WATCH THE CONFERENCE. Like I already said.

He said it. I watched I heard it twice. I did not record it but I'm sure you can find it on the web. Be.my.guest.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: antibren

I have still have lots of questions too. We all do.

However, will you read (carefully) what I have to say if I take the time to post it?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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For his motive, has anyone considered he might have had some long-term hate towards kids or just younger people in general?

I mean it is very odd he had no children of his own by 64.
You could say he wasn't the type that would want kids, but he clearly was not:

- A city/artsy type, since he lived in suburban towns most of his life + nothing else indicates he was into arts/volunteering and other "liberal" stuff.
- A career-driven person (ie. too busy to have kids), since his work profile was small time accounting & mailman work with no progress till retirement.
- A person with not enough money or time to have kids, since he was quite wealthy, owned several houses and never had a busy job or many pets.
- A person who is physically disabled enough to not be able to have sex.
- Someone who is not into long-term relationships or awkward with women, since he had 2 marriages which ended in divorce and a live-in GF. If he was a playboy-type, he'd never get married, especially twice.

It's possible he was sterile and unable to have kids, or that he was able, but had a strong hate for them for some reason, so he decided to let it out on younger people.
Schools & colleges have (today) stronger security, so what would be the best place to inflict the most damage to youth? A concert or similar open event.

And now that there is info. that he booked several other hotel rooms facing concerts (mostly attended by youth, with performers like Charlie XCX, etc.) in the past, it's starting to seem more and more suspicious.

Thoughts?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: Diabolical1972

He apparently lost a ton of weight leading up to this.


Did he lose hair too?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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Was it said that casings were found in each room with a window out?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: JohnFisher7611

It was pointed out by another member last night that he hated country music with a passion.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
Was it said that casings were found in each room with a window out?


What we wouldn’t do to see the other area around the window
So far only one window and room has been shown 32-134 is nothing but question marks

Edit: maybe the fbi did release the photos so people would be satisfied with only one window
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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: antibren

Law enforcement said at 5 p.m. on Tuesday that they would share a lot more information in 48 hours. Well, time is almost up!



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